| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling 18:54 - Sep 16 with 8887 views | AnotherJohn |
For the second day running planned return flights for a small number of illegal immigrants did not go ahead after applications to the High Court. A lawyer acting for an Eritrean man argued that he would face "a real risk of destitution" if sent back to France.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dqe2443l1o
According to other media reports several migrants detained with a view to return under the scheme were released from custody after the Home Office received lawyers' letters. [Post edited 16 Sep 20:01]
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 09:55 - Sep 17 with 2628 views | Boundy |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 21:08 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
The HRA was a decent piece of legislation, but our adversarial criminal justice system has totally twisted and undermined what it was intended it. The HRA enshrines the right to a fair trial.. nothing wrong with that or many of the other Articles.
It needs a radical revamp, the basic concepts such as Article 2,3,4 , 6,7,9,10,11, should in my opinion be absolute.
Articles 5, 8 and 12 should be qualified rights, - if you aren’t here legally you shouldn’t be able to rely on the right to liberty, a private or family life. Under certain circumstances I’d also remove the right to marry. Bring in those changes and we may be able to get something we can work with. There’s in no way a foreign national sex offender (or one of their family) should be able to argue that their rights under Article 8 are being breached etc when we’re taking steps to deport them because their presence isn’t conducive to the public good. If someone breaks the law, they should be expected to to be deported - end of.
The articles are as below
Article 2: Right to Life,
Article 3: Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Article 5: Right to liberty and security
Article 6: Right to a fair trial
Article 7: No punishment without law
Article 8: Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Article 9: Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Article 10: Freedom of expression
Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: Right to marry and start a family
Article 14: Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms
Protocol 1, Article 1: Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Protocol 1, Article 2: Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3: Right to participate in free elections
Protocol 13, Article 1: Abolition of the death penalty
The problem is most people have heard of the HRA, but they don’t actually know anything about it and they just read the guff in the Daily Express. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:15]
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"The problem is most people have heard of the HRA, but they don’t actually know anything about it and they just read the guff in the Daily Express" that's not the problem far from it ,the fact is lawyers and their clients along with Judges who are activists twist it to suit their agendas + we're not all married to Ms Blair. | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:28 - Sep 17 with 2566 views | johnlangy |
As a general comment on asylum claims, some asylum seekers (maybe a large number, I don't know) whose claims failed in various EU countries have then come across to the UK on small boats making a second asylum claim here.
When they failed their claim in the EU they were fingerprinted to prevent them coming back. When they claim in the UK we don't have access to the EU fingerprint database because we're not in the EU.
So we have to go through the whole process again whereas if we were still in the EU ....... | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:38 - Sep 17 with 2540 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:28 - Sep 17 by johnlangy |
As a general comment on asylum claims, some asylum seekers (maybe a large number, I don't know) whose claims failed in various EU countries have then come across to the UK on small boats making a second asylum claim here.
When they failed their claim in the EU they were fingerprinted to prevent them coming back. When they claim in the UK we don't have access to the EU fingerprint database because we're not in the EU.
So we have to go through the whole process again whereas if we were still in the EU ....... |
The EU is clearly failing to protect their borders if they’ve refused asylum to millions only for them to turn up in France a few weeks later. |  |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:49 - Sep 17 with 2520 views | raynor94 |
Here's a farcical one a Bangladeshi migrant 59 years of age was given a 1 bedroom flat in a over 55s complex, has now moved his 28 year old wife and twin 3 year old daughters in.
All on benefits and he can't be removed because it would breach his human rights.
Oh he's been living here since 1997 British passport holder and can't speak English |  |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 11:16 - Sep 17 with 2495 views | Robbie |
Some talking head on BBC News reporting earlier the mental health card is starting to be brought into play by illegal immigrants awaiting a Home Office decision on their status .
The longer I am kept in limbo the more my mental health is suffering guv .
Any chance you can get me a Councillor and Medical help for my problem as well . | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 15:35 - Sep 18 with 1996 views | SullutaCreturned |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 11:16 - Sep 17 by Robbie |
Some talking head on BBC News reporting earlier the mental health card is starting to be brought into play by illegal immigrants awaiting a Home Office decision on their status .
The longer I am kept in limbo the more my mental health is suffering guv .
Any chance you can get me a Councillor and Medical help for my problem as well . |
The obvious answer is to speed up the process, turbo boost it and get any who shouldn't be here removed pronto.
Lets not hold our breath. | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 15:41 - Sep 18 with 1992 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 15:35 - Sep 18 by SullutaCreturned |
The obvious answer is to speed up the process, turbo boost it and get any who shouldn't be here removed pronto.
Lets not hold our breath. |
How do you speed up the process out of interest? | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:09 - Sep 18 with 1951 views | Whiterockin |
Trump has told Starmer to use the military to stop illegal immigration. Right or wrong. |  | | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:30 - Sep 18 with 1919 views | trampie |
A lot of people are uneasy about letting in immigrants that helped the British Army for money against their own people as some people see it. |  |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 18:02 - Sep 18 with 1867 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:09 - Sep 18 by Whiterockin |
Trump has told Starmer to use the military to stop illegal immigration. Right or wrong. |
Forgetting the politics, if we wanted to stop a few rubber boats, it is a small stretch of water that could be covered quite easily by a decent number of small naval craft. |  |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 18:29 - Sep 18 with 1828 views | trampie |
All these English nationalists against the boat people are probably decendants of boat people themselves, eg Romans, Anglo Saxons, Norman's etc, while the Welsh are more akin to the original ancient Britons.
I seen a post on social media saying the Welsh flags in Treorchy (predating the latest English nationalists flying flags, which they tried to claim as supporting their movement) was probably in support of keeping the boat people out the tweet said and went on to mention Anglo Saxons and Norman's, the E word wasnt mentioned but no doubt that was what was meant, made me smile, perhaps I shouldn't have but I thought the irony of it was funny. | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 18:31 - Sep 18 with 1829 views | raynor94 |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:09 - Sep 18 by Whiterockin |
Trump has told Starmer to use the military to stop illegal immigration. Right or wrong. |
Right in my opinion | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 20:40 - Sep 18 with 1736 views | max936 |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 18:31 - Sep 18 by raynor94 |
Right in my opinion |
France will be kicking off then though, they wouldn't won't to put Frances nose out of joint. |  |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 22:28 - Sep 18 with 1662 views | johnlangy |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 15:41 - Sep 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
How do you speed up the process out of interest? |
Interestingly the man sent back to France today only came across in a small boat in August.
I wonder how they managed to sort out his claim so quickly. | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 00:58 - Sep 19 with 1616 views | Robbie |
The Don advocating Military to be positioned on The White Cliff to avoid illegals entering .
Now that would be a game changer as his Mexico problem seems to have worked allegedly .
Big figures over IT and AI investment promised to the UK to be their new besties now .
What will Uncle Sam want in return . Nukes at Greenham Common again or access to personal data and outside parties prepared and checking personal my details .
Time to live in a tent in the back of beyond methinks . [Post edited 19 Sep 1:03]
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 07:42 - Sep 19 with 1479 views | Whiterockin |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 00:58 - Sep 19 by Robbie |
The Don advocating Military to be positioned on The White Cliff to avoid illegals entering .
Now that would be a game changer as his Mexico problem seems to have worked allegedly .
Big figures over IT and AI investment promised to the UK to be their new besties now .
What will Uncle Sam want in return . Nukes at Greenham Common again or access to personal data and outside parties prepared and checking personal my details .
Time to live in a tent in the back of beyond methinks . [Post edited 19 Sep 1:03]
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Musk already has the personal details of anyone who drives a Tesla, connect your phone and there you go. | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 07:58 - Sep 19 with 1458 views | AnotherJohn |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:30 - Sep 18 by trampie |
A lot of people are uneasy about letting in immigrants that helped the British Army for money against their own people as some people see it. |
Even with Afghans the picture seems complicated. I think most UK people would like to help Afghans who have put themselves at risk by assisting the UK armed forces, but there are allegations that the system is being gamed by some migrants who seek to come to the UK for a better life rather than safety. It seems that some are returning for holidays.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/afghans-relocated-to-uk-exaggerating-talib [Post edited 19 Sep 7:59]
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 08:37 - Sep 19 with 1411 views | trampie |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 07:58 - Sep 19 by AnotherJohn |
Even with Afghans the picture seems complicated. I think most UK people would like to help Afghans who have put themselves at risk by assisting the UK armed forces, but there are allegations that the system is being gamed by some migrants who seek to come to the UK for a better life rather than safety. It seems that some are returning for holidays.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/afghans-relocated-to-uk-exaggerating-talib [Post edited 19 Sep 7:59]
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Some people see them as traitors to their own people, helping the British against Afghans for money and we are letting people like than in here, if Israel or Russia offer them money to work for them against our interests would some of them do it ?, it's a concern. | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 09:24 - Sep 19 with 1361 views | onehunglow |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 18:29 - Sep 18 by trampie |
All these English nationalists against the boat people are probably decendants of boat people themselves, eg Romans, Anglo Saxons, Norman's etc, while the Welsh are more akin to the original ancient Britons.
I seen a post on social media saying the Welsh flags in Treorchy (predating the latest English nationalists flying flags, which they tried to claim as supporting their movement) was probably in support of keeping the boat people out the tweet said and went on to mention Anglo Saxons and Norman's, the E word wasnt mentioned but no doubt that was what was meant, made me smile, perhaps I shouldn't have but I thought the irony of it was funny. |
More racist poison which shames you
English used as a pejorative , again
People who want these chances stopped are Zbritish , now that includes the Welsh who are just as fed up
I’ve never seen anyone post such openly racist claptrap and get away with it it is not subtle at all
Say what you really feel | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 09:56 - Sep 19 with 1323 views | trampie |
What I've noticed about the right wing anti immigrant marches is that some of them seem to be anti Islam, on checking social media some of them are afraid that Western Christian culture is going to get overtaken. | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:07 - Sep 19 with 1300 views | onehunglow |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 09:56 - Sep 19 by trampie |
What I've noticed about the right wing anti immigrant marches is that some of them seem to be anti Islam, on checking social media some of them are afraid that Western Christian culture is going to get overtaken. |
And more
“ right wing” then means folk who are concerned that illegal males turn up on our shores then to be kept by us plebs
Yet , we go abroad and get checked everywhere before entering foreign lands
The left are in no position to assume higher moral ground
And western Christian culture is what underpinned Welsh non conformism
Those chapels , those band of hopes, those prayer meetings were Christian because then we followed Christ and believed the Cross
That makes you a Christian
I would love to criticise Islam but this isn’t the place | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:09 - Sep 19 with 1288 views | trampie |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:07 - Sep 19 by onehunglow |
And more
“ right wing” then means folk who are concerned that illegal males turn up on our shores then to be kept by us plebs
Yet , we go abroad and get checked everywhere before entering foreign lands
The left are in no position to assume higher moral ground
And western Christian culture is what underpinned Welsh non conformism
Those chapels , those band of hopes, those prayer meetings were Christian because then we followed Christ and believed the Cross
That makes you a Christian
I would love to criticise Islam but this isn’t the place |
Why would you love to criticise Islam ? | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 11:41 - Sep 19 with 1219 views | Whiterockin |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 10:09 - Sep 19 by trampie |
Why would you love to criticise Islam ? |
Where did you disappear to anyway. Was it an enforced sabbatical or voluntary. | | | |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 11:55 - Sep 19 with 1202 views | Boundy |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 16:09 - Sep 18 by Whiterockin |
Trump has told Starmer to use the military to stop illegal immigration. Right or wrong. |
Our most valuable asset in protecting the UK has always been since 1069 (don't count that little incursion in Fishguard in 1797 ) the fact we're an a island, now its proving to be our weakness . Mainland Europe has the benefit of having solid borders ,such as Poland and Hungary who are showing the way on how to deal with this invasion and it is an invasion of the West ,looking at how Sweden ,one of the safest country's in the world has now become the bombing capital of europe ,look at the problems in Ireland but at least the people there are not taking it lightly with protests throughout the land. | |
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| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 12:09 - Sep 19 with 1164 views | trampie |
| "One-in, one-out" scheme struggling on 11:41 - Sep 19 by Whiterockin |
Where did you disappear to anyway. Was it an enforced sabbatical or voluntary. |
It wouldn't be enforced would it, just too busy to post, I take it you've missed me, somebody has to counter the right wing nonsense on here. | |
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