| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... 12:47 - Oct 17 with 1952 views | 1885_SFC |
from coming to see their team play at Aston Villa.
WTF is that all about?
At worse, Villa should face the consequences of this decision and the match should be played behind closed doors. At best - let them come of course. |  |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:03 - Oct 17 with 1731 views | Southamptonfan |
Birmingham is a rough area. Lots of Muslims who support Palestine. They probably fear attacks and terrorism I suspect. And the authorities and police can't be bothered. Potentially, a mob of Palestine supporters, and the Palestine action group could cause major disruption.
But it's wrong. The innocent fans of Tel Aviv have done nothing wrong and should be able to see the match and be protected. [Post edited 17 Oct 13:06]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:09 - Oct 17 with 1704 views | Joiedevivre |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:03 - Oct 17 by Southamptonfan |
Birmingham is a rough area. Lots of Muslims who support Palestine. They probably fear attacks and terrorism I suspect. And the authorities and police can't be bothered. Potentially, a mob of Palestine supporters, and the Palestine action group could cause major disruption.
But it's wrong. The innocent fans of Tel Aviv have done nothing wrong and should be able to see the match and be protected. [Post edited 17 Oct 13:06]
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They were reported to have been tearing down flags and burning them, vandilised a taxi, with many chanting f*ck the Arabs and that there were no children left in Palestine whilst in Amsterdam last year. Birmingham is a sh*thole - and it’s an annoyance that foreign quarrels are brought to our cities - but many in their ranks clearly go looking for action.
Rightfully banned. It isn’t worth the police money when conflict is almost inevitable. [Post edited 17 Oct 13:11]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:20 - Oct 17 with 1640 views | 1885_SFC |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:09 - Oct 17 by Joiedevivre |
They were reported to have been tearing down flags and burning them, vandilised a taxi, with many chanting f*ck the Arabs and that there were no children left in Palestine whilst in Amsterdam last year. Birmingham is a sh*thole - and it’s an annoyance that foreign quarrels are brought to our cities - but many in their ranks clearly go looking for action.
Rightfully banned. It isn’t worth the police money when conflict is almost inevitable. [Post edited 17 Oct 13:11]
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Sounds much like us versus the skates at Fratton Park.
Maybe Hampshire Constabulary could 'bubble' the game for them or at least show them how it's done? | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:43 - Oct 17 with 1596 views | BLEEDRED |
So let their fans come, and you will have 1000s of Jews coming from all over the country. Plus 1000s of Palestine supporters, what could possibly go wrong!! (don't forget those that just like a riot!) | | | |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 14:37 - Oct 17 with 1520 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:43 - Oct 17 by BLEEDRED |
So let their fans come, and you will have 1000s of Jews coming from all over the country. Plus 1000s of Palestine supporters, what could possibly go wrong!! (don't forget those that just like a riot!) |
You are right but don't forget those that don't like a riot. Difficult decision I'm glad I don't have to make |  |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 17:58 - Oct 17 with 1348 views | cocklebreath |
European competition, how about just ban them from playing in it? |  |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:12 - Oct 17 with 1328 views | Heisenberg |
Maccabee fans caused issues in Amsterdam which were not widely reported in the press. Birmingham police rightly risk assessed the visit to Villa as high risk and decided it was best away fans didn’t visit. Then Starmer got involved and like everything around the Israel Palestine issue immediately played the anti semitic card. |  |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:12 - Oct 17 with 1328 views | solent_toffee |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 13:09 - Oct 17 by Joiedevivre |
They were reported to have been tearing down flags and burning them, vandilised a taxi, with many chanting f*ck the Arabs and that there were no children left in Palestine whilst in Amsterdam last year. Birmingham is a sh*thole - and it’s an annoyance that foreign quarrels are brought to our cities - but many in their ranks clearly go looking for action.
Rightfully banned. It isn’t worth the police money when conflict is almost inevitable. [Post edited 17 Oct 13:11]
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I can’t understand why Starmer feels the need to get involved and so publicly. If they are allowed to attend and it kicks off, as others have said their recent behaviour in Amsterdam that it likely will, then it’s on Starmer.
As with Kneecap and Glastonbury, the coont can’t help getting involved in things he doesn’t full grasp and he comes across as a cringey tw4t. | | | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:47 - Oct 17 with 1278 views | Heisenberg |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:12 - Oct 17 by solent_toffee |
I can’t understand why Starmer feels the need to get involved and so publicly. If they are allowed to attend and it kicks off, as others have said their recent behaviour in Amsterdam that it likely will, then it’s on Starmer.
As with Kneecap and Glastonbury, the coont can’t help getting involved in things he doesn’t full grasp and he comes across as a cringey tw4t. |
Starmer will destroy the Labour movement making it as irrelevant as the Tories. Like thousands of ex members no longer welcome in his party I detest the man and look forward to his humiliating defeat at future elections. | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 19:00 - Oct 17 with 1260 views | 1885_SFC |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:12 - Oct 17 by Heisenberg |
Maccabee fans caused issues in Amsterdam which were not widely reported in the press. Birmingham police rightly risk assessed the visit to Villa as high risk and decided it was best away fans didn’t visit. Then Starmer got involved and like everything around the Israel Palestine issue immediately played the anti semitic card. |
The fact remains that despite the police protecting thousands of pro-Palestine supporters marching through London's streets recently (and other cities), they are, in effect, saying that they are unable to protect a few hundred Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters on the streets of Birmingham. Jews are not welcome on British soil. And when the slimy mayor of London itself, Sadiq Khan (a Muslim of course), says the chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" isn't antisemitic - but PM Kier Starmer says it is antisemitic - you're going to have a problem.
Now throw in the local MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Ayoub Khan, a Muslim who sits on the advisory board that has just recommended banning Jewish fans from attending the game, and you can see a pattern of blatant antisemitism appearing here.
Never in a thousand years did I ever expect to find myself agreeing with Kier Starmer!. The game isn't just about 'crowd safety' in my eyes. It has a deeper, darker & more sinsister overtone than that. | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 20:51 - Oct 17 with 1168 views | dirk_doone |
One video verified by Reuters showed a group of men running near Amsterdam Central station, chasing and assaulting other men, as police sirens sounded.
Another appears to show a car mounting the pavement and appearing to run over one of the Israeli fans.
Britons leaving the stadium early were swept up in the violence.
Aaron, 33, told the BBC he was punched in the face for helping an injured Israeli fan.
“We got to one of the central areas and we saw mopeds turn up and some guys started beating an Israeli guy going back to his hotel,” he says, adding they were referring to his religion and stomping on his head.
“Shortly after, the same men that had attacked the Israeli came up to us right into our personal space, saying, ‘Are you Jewish? ‘We said, ‘No, we are British’.”
One of the men then punched him in the face.
“I was bleeding and had a black eye,” he says. “I’m OK but a bit shaken.”
His friend, Jacob, added: “They were looking for Jews, not just Israelis.”
The mayor said city police had been taken by surprise after security services failed to flag the match against Ajax, a club with a traditionally strong Jewish fanbase, as high risk.
She added that “antisemitic hit-and-run squads” had managed to evade a force of around 200 officers.
The mayor said men on scooters roamed the city, attacking supporters, and that it brought to mind pogroms against Jewish people from recent European history.
Dutch police confirmed that more than 60 individuals were arrested in the aftermath of the violent confrontations.
Amsterdam banned demonstrations for three days from Friday after the overnight attacks on Israeli football supporters.
Efforts were made to evacuate 2,751 Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Amsterdam.
The Israeli airlines El Al and Arkia announced five flights to Amsterdam and Brussels.
The Israeli embassy in The Hague said mobs had chanted anti-Israel slogans and shared videos of their violence on social media, “kicking, beating, even running over Israeli citizens”.
“On the eve of Kristallnacht – when Jews in Nazi Germany faced brutal attacks – it is horrifying to witness antisemitic violence on the streets of Europe once again,” it said. [Post edited 17 Oct 21:08]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 20:53 - Oct 17 with 1164 views | DorsetIan |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:12 - Oct 17 by solent_toffee |
I can’t understand why Starmer feels the need to get involved and so publicly. If they are allowed to attend and it kicks off, as others have said their recent behaviour in Amsterdam that it likely will, then it’s on Starmer.
As with Kneecap and Glastonbury, the coont can’t help getting involved in things he doesn’t full grasp and he comes across as a cringey tw4t. |
I think Starmer is just paranoid about any suggestion that the Labour Party is anything but supportive of Israel, based on what happened to Corbyn.
Personally, I think that idea that opposition to the current Israeli regime is equivalent to anti-semitism is ridiculous, and is a self-defeating claim by supporters of the current Israeli regime. | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 21:28 - Oct 17 with 1109 views | Southamptonfan |
I would like to have words with whoever or whatever decided to create so many different religions and different beliefs. Which God said we should have so many different religions and beliefs, causing so many arguments and wars, that's what I want to know!!? Muslim beliefs vs Christian beliefs, Jewish beliefs vs Buddhist beliefs. Catholics vs Jehova Witnesses. Who is right then, as many of the beliefs contradict? I wonder if any of them think, I.wonder if I'm wrong and the other religion is right?
They take it so seriously don't they, and we none of us know which religion is right, if any of them are. All these religions do is cause wars, a whole load of aggro and fans being prevented from football games! [Post edited 17 Oct 21:31]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 21:48 - Oct 17 with 1080 views | yateleysaint |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 20:51 - Oct 17 by dirk_doone |
One video verified by Reuters showed a group of men running near Amsterdam Central station, chasing and assaulting other men, as police sirens sounded.
Another appears to show a car mounting the pavement and appearing to run over one of the Israeli fans.
Britons leaving the stadium early were swept up in the violence.
Aaron, 33, told the BBC he was punched in the face for helping an injured Israeli fan.
“We got to one of the central areas and we saw mopeds turn up and some guys started beating an Israeli guy going back to his hotel,” he says, adding they were referring to his religion and stomping on his head.
“Shortly after, the same men that had attacked the Israeli came up to us right into our personal space, saying, ‘Are you Jewish? ‘We said, ‘No, we are British’.”
One of the men then punched him in the face.
“I was bleeding and had a black eye,” he says. “I’m OK but a bit shaken.”
His friend, Jacob, added: “They were looking for Jews, not just Israelis.”
The mayor said city police had been taken by surprise after security services failed to flag the match against Ajax, a club with a traditionally strong Jewish fanbase, as high risk.
She added that “antisemitic hit-and-run squads” had managed to evade a force of around 200 officers.
The mayor said men on scooters roamed the city, attacking supporters, and that it brought to mind pogroms against Jewish people from recent European history.
Dutch police confirmed that more than 60 individuals were arrested in the aftermath of the violent confrontations.
Amsterdam banned demonstrations for three days from Friday after the overnight attacks on Israeli football supporters.
Efforts were made to evacuate 2,751 Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Amsterdam.
The Israeli airlines El Al and Arkia announced five flights to Amsterdam and Brussels.
The Israeli embassy in The Hague said mobs had chanted anti-Israel slogans and shared videos of their violence on social media, “kicking, beating, even running over Israeli citizens”.
“On the eve of Kristallnacht – when Jews in Nazi Germany faced brutal attacks – it is horrifying to witness antisemitic violence on the streets of Europe once again,” it said. [Post edited 17 Oct 21:08]
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There are two sides to every story. This suggests a much more nuanced picture than the one painted by British but not Jewish lads like Aaron and Jacob: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/nov/15/how-the-unrest-unfolded-in-a
The Graun’s Barney Ronay isn’t happy with the Birmingham decision ( https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/17/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-banned-as and asks why “any trip to Napoli, a city-wide parkour of buttock-stabbing rage” should be allowed in future.
Well, if he’d done his research then maybe he’d know Eintracht Frankfurt fans have also been banned from seeing their team play in Naples on 4th November. Is that an anti-Semitic thing too or might the ban on security grounds just have something to do with the likelihood of trouble at a high risk fixture?
There was trouble in Naples when the clubs played there two years ago and the following article says that away fans have been banned 15 times in the past 2 years in UEFA competitions. The only difference here is that for a change an Israeli club is paying the price for the poor behaviour of some of its fans. A few of them kicked off, got their arses handed to them and then cried foul. I could understand the outcry if Maccabi Tel Aviv didn’t have any form for causing trouble on away trips but the fact is they do. If Starmer put as much effort into unifying the country as he does into rooting out perceived anti-Semitism then the UK would be a much more harmonious place.
https://www.hessenschau.de/sport/fussball/eintracht-frankfurt/eintracht-frankfur [Post edited 17 Oct 21:50]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:03 - Oct 17 with 1042 views | Joiedevivre |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 21:28 - Oct 17 by Southamptonfan |
I would like to have words with whoever or whatever decided to create so many different religions and different beliefs. Which God said we should have so many different religions and beliefs, causing so many arguments and wars, that's what I want to know!!? Muslim beliefs vs Christian beliefs, Jewish beliefs vs Buddhist beliefs. Catholics vs Jehova Witnesses. Who is right then, as many of the beliefs contradict? I wonder if any of them think, I.wonder if I'm wrong and the other religion is right?
They take it so seriously don't they, and we none of us know which religion is right, if any of them are. All these religions do is cause wars, a whole load of aggro and fans being prevented from football games! [Post edited 17 Oct 21:31]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:07 - Oct 17 with 1033 views | Southamptonfan |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:03 - Oct 17 by Joiedevivre |
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That's right, arguing over religion, in some cases. [Post edited 17 Oct 22:11]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:13 - Oct 17 with 1017 views | Joiedevivre |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:07 - Oct 17 by Southamptonfan |
That's right, arguing over religion, in some cases. [Post edited 17 Oct 22:11]
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So I presume you believe that if we remove religion entirely - worked well in certain places in the 20th century (?) - the 7% of wars caused by religion would stop humans finding a reason to fight one another?
^ was sent before you edited to “some cases” [Post edited 17 Oct 22:13]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:20 - Oct 17 with 985 views | Southamptonfan |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 22:13 - Oct 17 by Joiedevivre |
So I presume you believe that if we remove religion entirely - worked well in certain places in the 20th century (?) - the 7% of wars caused by religion would stop humans finding a reason to fight one another?
^ was sent before you edited to “some cases” [Post edited 17 Oct 22:13]
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You are wrong to presume anything. No, I am sure humans will always find something to fight about.
But I fail to understand how millions of people can say Allah is God and another group of millions people say he's not.
They can't both be right. Then some argue over it, and nobody can ever prove one way or the other, so the fights, arguments and wars are pointless in this case. [Post edited 17 Oct 22:21]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 10:41 - Oct 18 with 741 views | Jellybaby |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 21:28 - Oct 17 by Southamptonfan |
I would like to have words with whoever or whatever decided to create so many different religions and different beliefs. Which God said we should have so many different religions and beliefs, causing so many arguments and wars, that's what I want to know!!? Muslim beliefs vs Christian beliefs, Jewish beliefs vs Buddhist beliefs. Catholics vs Jehova Witnesses. Who is right then, as many of the beliefs contradict? I wonder if any of them think, I.wonder if I'm wrong and the other religion is right?
They take it so seriously don't they, and we none of us know which religion is right, if any of them are. All these religions do is cause wars, a whole load of aggro and fans being prevented from football games! [Post edited 17 Oct 21:31]
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Nothing to do with religion. That is a smoke screen, everything to do with the military industrial complex, control, hate, greed, divide and conquer. Netanyahu for example is a secular Zionist with expansionist aspirations. You can blame religion, but it’s the wrong scapegoat. [Post edited 18 Oct 10:45]
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 11:25 - Oct 18 with 702 views | saintmark1976 |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 10:41 - Oct 18 by Jellybaby |
Nothing to do with religion. That is a smoke screen, everything to do with the military industrial complex, control, hate, greed, divide and conquer. Netanyahu for example is a secular Zionist with expansionist aspirations. You can blame religion, but it’s the wrong scapegoat. [Post edited 18 Oct 10:45]
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Agree with most of what you say Jelly except that surely religion was high jacked from its very inception and used as a method of control by the educated few to control the uneducated masses ? | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 12:00 - Oct 18 with 673 views | Jellybaby |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 11:25 - Oct 18 by saintmark1976 |
Agree with most of what you say Jelly except that surely religion was high jacked from its very inception and used as a method of control by the educated few to control the uneducated masses ? |
Yes, agree, any group that gains momentum will be infiltrated by those wishing to profiteer/control others by it, as was seen spectacularly in the RC church pre reformation and I believe is being seen again now by the Christian Zionist movement within some evangelical churches in the US. | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 14:29 - Oct 18 with 588 views | saintpaz |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 18:47 - Oct 17 by Heisenberg |
Starmer will destroy the Labour movement making it as irrelevant as the Tories. Like thousands of ex members no longer welcome in his party I detest the man and look forward to his humiliating defeat at future elections. |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 07:40 - Oct 20 with 376 views | Heisenberg |
I see the Tel Aviv derby was postponed due to rioting fans clashing. The decision to ban them from going to Villa seems sensible. | |
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| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 11:15 - Oct 20 with 288 views | saint901 |
There is an element in the Maacabi fan base that either is or appears to be as much politically motivated as it is by football. This contingent of "ultras" has form for whipping up trouble not only in away games in Europe but for "home" games against local opposition. See the events at the attempts to play a derby game last weekend which was eventually cancelled due to their (and the oppositions) behaviour.
The appearances in Europe to date have not been incident free - see the match in Amsterdam which before and after the match saw violence on the streets.
Whatever your position on the conflict between Israel and Palestine, reflecting that on the supporters of a football club is probably a bit immature and facile.
However, reacting to the potential for a situation to rapidly get out of hand, costing hundreds of thousands of pounds to contain, perhaps risking inflaming local and national tensions and potentially injuring those policing the event as well as "innocent" bystanders, is a no more than taking sensible precautions.
In my view, the initiative should be put on the Maacabi club to vet and manage their supporters going to the match and it is for them to arrange safe transport in and out as well as being responsible for say half the cost of policing it.
If UEFA admit clubs with known violent followers, than again, they should be managing that and footing the bill.
I think Frankfurt are playing in Italy this week and are also known to have a faction prone to violence. The Italian authorities (government) has suspended the Schenegan arrangement for 48 hours in order to be able to prevent Frankfurt fans from getting into Italy. The UK allegedly controls its own borders, so we could do that?
As for the Villa game, I would support a ban on away fans simply on the grounds of their potential to cause a civil disturbance. | | | |
| Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned... on 12:19 - Oct 20 with 258 views | 1885_SFC |
The irony of Villa players 'taking the knee' at Tottenham's stadium yesterday wasn't lost on me. Not their fault of course. It's a ridiculous return to a meaningless gesture - even more so given the current situation around the upcoming Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv match. | |
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