| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 234874 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:29 - Nov 9 with 1391 views | JacketJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:51 - Nov 9 by Dr_Parnassus |
I wasn’t running and I won’t be running in 4 years time.
Have you googled what fascist means yet? Need me to help you? |
1) The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.” MAGA
2) The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”MAGA
3)The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.” BLEACH
4) Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.” Esper’s but the latest
5) Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.” IMMIGRANTS
6) Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.” I wanted to put a picture here of a typical trump rally fool
7) The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.” So many to choose from
8) The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.” Sleepy Joe the crime boss
9) Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.” Covid should not be feared
10) Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.” Military parades
11) Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.” Alternative Facts vs Fake News
12) Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.” Bigly, cofefe
Yep, trump’s a fascist. But there’s no sense in dwelling on it, he’s done and dusted. He may flop around for awhile at his pity party rallies but he’s no different than a fish on a dock. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:31 - Nov 9 with 1384 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:29 - Nov 9 by JacketJack |
1) The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.” MAGA
2) The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”MAGA
3)The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.” BLEACH
4) Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.” Esper’s but the latest
5) Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.” IMMIGRANTS
6) Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.” I wanted to put a picture here of a typical trump rally fool
7) The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.” So many to choose from
8) The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.” Sleepy Joe the crime boss
9) Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.” Covid should not be feared
10) Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.” Military parades
11) Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.” Alternative Facts vs Fake News
12) Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.” Bigly, cofefe
Yep, trump’s a fascist. But there’s no sense in dwelling on it, he’s done and dusted. He may flop around for awhile at his pity party rallies but he’s no different than a fish on a dock. |
Pretty much every single point you have made there perfectly outlines the Democrats. Word perfectly.
I am unsure how you are making the claim they are Republican traits.
Saying ''IMMIGRANTS'' is misrepresenting the situation, if you put the word ''ILLEGAL'' before it then we are talking accurately and not like the fake news.
Saying ''MAGA'' isn't really explaining anything either, when America has been burned and attacked for the very reason of others having different views. Republicans haven't done that, it was the democrats.
I don't think you have thought this through...
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 09:01 - Nov 11 with 1254 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:11 - Nov 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Sleepy Joe won 🇺🇸ðŸ™ðŸ¿ |
No he didn’t. I don’t think a single state has been decided and ratified yet.
News networks don’t have the power to call elections. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:03 - Nov 11 with 1204 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:11 - Nov 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Sleepy Joe won 🇺🇸ðŸ™ðŸ¿ |
Perhaps you would like to point out to us all the states that have "Certified" the actual results for their state that show Biden has won, so that we can all share your superior knowledge?
I won't hold my breath. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:38 - Nov 11 with 1192 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good to see nicola sturgeon congratulate Joe Biden on winning the presidential election. She then goes and spoils it by saying " the integrity of democracy and demands Biden's victory be recognised. "
Pity her respect for democracy lasted about one day after her clear defeat in the Scottish independence referendum. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:44 - Nov 11 with 1189 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:38 - Nov 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see nicola sturgeon congratulate Joe Biden on winning the presidential election. She then goes and spoils it by saying " the integrity of democracy and demands Biden's victory be recognised. "
Pity her respect for democracy lasted about one day after her clear defeat in the Scottish independence referendum. |
Democracy means you're allowed to continue making the argument.
Yes, she lost the referendum but it doesn't mean she has to change her mind. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:47 - Nov 11 with 1185 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:44 - Nov 11 by Gwyn737 |
Democracy means you're allowed to continue making the argument.
Yes, she lost the referendum but it doesn't mean she has to change her mind. |
No but it was a once in a generation referendum that is the bit she does not respect. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:53 - Nov 11 with 1180 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:47 - Nov 11 by felixstowe_jack |
No but it was a once in a generation referendum that is the bit she does not respect. |
They believe in democracy while it suits their needs. [Post edited 11 Nov 2020 16:31]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:20 - Nov 11 with 1154 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:47 - Nov 11 by felixstowe_jack |
No but it was a once in a generation referendum that is the bit she does not respect. |
She still has to represent the views of those who wanted to leave.
A lot can change over a generation, those who want to are entitled to continue to make their point and campaign according. I’d argue that’s a central tenet of democracy.
What’s the alternative? Stay quiet until a specified time has passed? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:32 - Nov 11 with 1144 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:20 - Nov 11 by Gwyn737 |
She still has to represent the views of those who wanted to leave.
A lot can change over a generation, those who want to are entitled to continue to make their point and campaign according. I’d argue that’s a central tenet of democracy.
What’s the alternative? Stay quiet until a specified time has passed? |
Well seeing as that was apparently the agreement for holding it in the first place, yes. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:03 - Nov 11 with 1138 views | Boundy |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:44 - Nov 11 by Gwyn737 |
Democracy means you're allowed to continue making the argument.
Yes, she lost the referendum but it doesn't mean she has to change her mind. |
Agreed but it doesn't give her the right to ignore the wishes of the majority by trying to change their minds | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:06 - Nov 11 with 1137 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:03 - Nov 11 by Boundy |
Agreed but it doesn't give her the right to ignore the wishes of the majority by trying to change their minds |
Isn’t that her role? Trying to change people’s minds? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:19 - Nov 11 with 1129 views | Boundy |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:06 - Nov 11 by Gwyn737 |
Isn’t that her role? Trying to change people’s minds? |
On that particular topic and within a time frame that she herself announced then no | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:19 - Nov 11 with 1129 views | felixstowe_jack |
A week after the election and the technically advanced country is still counting votes in four states. You think they would have automated it by now if they can't find enough people who can count. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:40 - Nov 11 with 1120 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:19 - Nov 11 by Boundy |
On that particular topic and within a time frame that she herself announced then no |
So does she have to wait a generation? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 18:54 - Nov 11 with 1087 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:19 - Nov 11 by felixstowe_jack |
A week after the election and the technically advanced country is still counting votes in four states. You think they would have automated it by now if they can't find enough people who can count. |
Why haven't you asked yourself how they could count 90% of millions of votes in one night and yet can't count the rest in a week? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:31 - Nov 11 with 1072 views | Andy1300 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 09:01 - Nov 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
No he didn’t. I don’t think a single state has been decided and ratified yet.
News networks don’t have the power to call elections. |
Recount in Georgia, apparently |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:53 - Nov 11 with 1066 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:31 - Nov 11 by Andy1300 |
Recount in Georgia, apparently |
Oh no, not just a recount.
A hand recount and full audit of every single vote. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:03 - Nov 11 with 1064 views | Boundy |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:40 - Nov 11 by Gwyn737 |
So does she have to wait a generation? |
No idea perhaps you may know ? | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:26 - Nov 11 with 1052 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:03 - Nov 11 by Boundy |
No idea perhaps you may know ? |
No, I don’t know.
Whatever the timeframe I still think people should be allowed to express their opinion. Politicians need to represent everyone, not just the ‘winners’ of a particular time or vote. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:52 - Nov 11 with 1038 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:03 - Nov 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
Perhaps you would like to point out to us all the states that have "Certified" the actual results for their state that show Biden has won, so that we can all share your superior knowledge?
I won't hold my breath. |
Trump fecking lost. The end. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:09 - Nov 11 with 1030 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:52 - Nov 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Trump fecking lost. The end. |
You can't. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:26 - Nov 11 with 1023 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:09 - Nov 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
You can't. |
Biden had more votes than any other candidate in history.
Let that sink in.
Its not even close.
Its a walk over.
The game is over. Finito. The end. Y diwedd.
And no amount of whinging is going to change it.
Suck it up. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:34 - Nov 11 with 1014 views | Kilkennyjack |
I am old enough to remember a bet on this tbread.
Who won ? | |
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