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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Subtle differences can make all the difference
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Correct, its beyond parody.
Perfect description. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:32 - Nov 13 with 1143 views | Professor |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:53 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct, its beyond parody.
Perfect description. |
What is beyond parody are over 150,000 new cases in the US reported today and more than 60,000 hospitalised. And the hundreds who sadly died after non-distancesd,
No mask Trump rallies. Greatest failure in leadership, period. Spin it as you wish. The Pfizer vaccine was not part of ‘Warp Speed’. There may be one announced shortly that is. Whatever Johnson’s failures, his true support for vaccine development has been unequivocal.
And Nate ‘the moron’ Cohn got Georgia pretty spot on.
Better a moron in the NYT payroll than scratching around here. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:38 - Nov 13 with 1138 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:32 - Nov 13 by Professor |
What is beyond parody are over 150,000 new cases in the US reported today and more than 60,000 hospitalised. And the hundreds who sadly died after non-distancesd,
No mask Trump rallies. Greatest failure in leadership, period. Spin it as you wish. The Pfizer vaccine was not part of ‘Warp Speed’. There may be one announced shortly that is. Whatever Johnson’s failures, his true support for vaccine development has been unequivocal.
And Nate ‘the moron’ Cohn got Georgia pretty spot on.
Better a moron in the NYT payroll than scratching around here. |
That isn't parody, that is just transparent and ridiculous conjecture peddled by lefties.
Its amazing that only Republican gatherings contain coronavirus 
Nate Cohn didn't get anything spot on. He said it was official, it's not. I remember not too many pages back stating something as official when it isn't was a crime against humanity...
Your sensationalist rubbish doesn't work on this site, it is far more suited to the other. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:05 - Nov 14 with 1121 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:10 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
It was fraudulent. She voted in someone else's name, a dead person.
What you are saying is, she didn't realise it was fraud.
Which isn't the same thing.... or relevant. |
It was an illegitimate vote and not fraudulent... but you knew that. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:10 - Nov 14 with 1117 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:38 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
That isn't parody, that is just transparent and ridiculous conjecture peddled by lefties.
Its amazing that only Republican gatherings contain coronavirus
Nate Cohn didn't get anything spot on. He said it was official, it's not. I remember not too many pages back stating something as official when it isn't was a crime against humanity...
Your sensationalist rubbish doesn't work on this site, it is far more suited to the other. |
Only gatherings with A MAJORITY NOT WEARING A MASK you dissembling agitprop. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:12 - Nov 14 with 1114 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:05 - Nov 14 by DJack |
It was an illegitimate vote and not fraudulent... but you knew that. |
It was fraudulent. It intentionally represented a name that was not hers.
Which is why it then became illegitimate. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:48 - Nov 14 with 1098 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:47 - Nov 14 by DJack |
I made no recommendation either way... |
You don't need to, you have made your opinion clear that a mask = safety.
Which means voting in person was fine.
Wonder why they didn't want to.... | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:14 - Nov 14 with 1082 views | trampie |
I've heard that Trump has voted by mail loads of times. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:28 - Nov 14 with 1070 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:14 - Nov 14 by trampie |
I've heard that Trump has voted by mail loads of times. |
He has.
But he has requested the ballot each time and for valid reasons.
There is a difference between normal absentee voting (which makes up 1% of the whole vote), Universal mail in voting (where everybody gets sent a ballot whether they request one or not) and encouraged mail in voting (which changed the vote make up from 1% to 40%-50%).
Mail in balloting is inaccurate and unreliable, but usually doesn't post that much of an effect on the results because it makes up such a small amount.
For example in the State election New York had a 20% rejection rate. Which is ridiculous really. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:33 - Nov 14 with 1067 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:12 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
It was fraudulent. It intentionally represented a name that was not hers.
Which is why it then became illegitimate. |
So you saying she's a criminal then and they should drag her arse to court, is that it? |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:37 - Nov 14 with 1064 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:33 - Nov 14 by Groo |
So you saying she's a criminal then and they should drag her arse to court, is that it? |
That isn't for me to decide.
I am just making the factual point that the ballot she submitted was knowingly in someone else's name.
I said above, if she didn't realise she was committing fraud then I hope all that happens is the vote doesn't count. But I don't know her and haven't interviewed her so it isn't my decision or recommendation to make. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:09 - Nov 14 with 1051 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:48 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
You don't need to, you have made your opinion clear that a mask = safety.
Which means voting in person was fine.
Wonder why they didn't want to.... |
A couple of points, champ...
"You don't need to, you have made your opinion clear that a mask = safety."
That is your interpretaion/projection and not an actual fact...ooops.
"Which means voting in person was fine. " Again incorrect, your interpretation/projection is subjective...colour me surprised
"Wonder why they didn't want to.... " The point of mail ballots is inclusive democracy and not exclusive democracy. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:24 - Nov 14 with 1038 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:09 - Nov 14 by DJack |
A couple of points, champ...
"You don't need to, you have made your opinion clear that a mask = safety."
That is your interpretaion/projection and not an actual fact...ooops.
"Which means voting in person was fine. " Again incorrect, your interpretation/projection is subjective...colour me surprised
"Wonder why they didn't want to.... " The point of mail ballots is inclusive democracy and not exclusive democracy. |
A couple is two champ. But sure...
1) You said that the issue was people gathering without masks. So it is either an issue or it isn't, make your mind up.
2) So if it is not fine... then the Democrat gatherings are also bad then. It can't be both.
3) Mail in ballots had nothing to do with democracy, it had to do with safety. Or do you think the Democrats were lying when they tried to sneak it in under the guise of safety? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:37 - Nov 14 with 1022 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:24 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
A couple is two champ. But sure...
1) You said that the issue was people gathering without masks. So it is either an issue or it isn't, make your mind up.
2) So if it is not fine... then the Democrat gatherings are also bad then. It can't be both.
3) Mail in ballots had nothing to do with democracy, it had to do with safety. Or do you think the Democrats were lying when they tried to sneak it in under the guise of safety? |
What part of "the majority grouping without a mask" is an issue do you not understand?
A closed shot of one event versus open shots of multiple events are equivalent in your mind...
Mail ballots are all about democracy... safety was a supplemental feature of the pandemic of which Trump ignored.
Also, mailed in ballots are a feature of the election that Republicans like if they are classed as "absentee ballots" which Donald has abused before now. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:49 - Nov 14 with 1019 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:37 - Nov 14 by DJack |
What part of "the majority grouping without a mask" is an issue do you not understand?
A closed shot of one event versus open shots of multiple events are equivalent in your mind...
Mail ballots are all about democracy... safety was a supplemental feature of the pandemic of which Trump ignored.
Also, mailed in ballots are a feature of the election that Republicans like if they are classed as "absentee ballots" which Donald has abused before now. |
All of it, because your positions contradict each other.
So if the majority wearing a mask means gatherings are fine, then why was it not safe for people to vote?
Mail ballots have nothing to do with democracy, everyone is entitled to vote in person or request a mail ballot if they cannot attend. There was nothing un-democratic about that - mail in balloting in the way it has been promoted by the democrats was under the guise of safety. So you think they were not telling the truth there?
I don't understand what your last sentence means. Genuine absentee ballots are fine, no issue. But there needs to be a valid reason to mail via that process such as not being in your State, being disabled or being in the armed forces.
So we either agree that the gatherings of the Democrats were bad or that people could have voted in person after all.
Either is a clear win for common sense in that respect. [Post edited 14 Nov 2020 3:18]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:03 - Nov 14 with 973 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:49 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
All of it, because your positions contradict each other.
So if the majority wearing a mask means gatherings are fine, then why was it not safe for people to vote?
Mail ballots have nothing to do with democracy, everyone is entitled to vote in person or request a mail ballot if they cannot attend. There was nothing un-democratic about that - mail in balloting in the way it has been promoted by the democrats was under the guise of safety. So you think they were not telling the truth there?
I don't understand what your last sentence means. Genuine absentee ballots are fine, no issue. But there needs to be a valid reason to mail via that process such as not being in your State, being disabled or being in the armed forces.
So we either agree that the gatherings of the Democrats were bad or that people could have voted in person after all.
Either is a clear win for common sense in that respect. [Post edited 14 Nov 2020 3:18]
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Easy one in my mind when it comes to voting, which is completely different from attending a rally for a myriad of reasons - they’re no comparible.
Voting during a pandemic:
1. Vote in person without a mask - daft
2. Vote in person with a mask - better
3. Vote remotely - best.
Dr., you say that there needs to be a reason to vote by post. The pandemic is that reason. If we were to have a vote in the times in this country, I would without doubt do it remotely due to safety concerns. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:13 - Nov 14 with 971 views | Professor |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:38 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
That isn't parody, that is just transparent and ridiculous conjecture peddled by lefties.
Its amazing that only Republican gatherings contain coronavirus
Nate Cohn didn't get anything spot on. He said it was official, it's not. I remember not too many pages back stating something as official when it isn't was a crime against humanity...
Your sensationalist rubbish doesn't work on this site, it is far more suited to the other. |
That’s because of social distancing and masks. Not packing 1000s in. Leaving then in the cold. It’s not sensationalism. You are the worst for that. Some BS off Twitter. Look at this video. All look at me , look how clever I am. The vaccine was developed by the small German Biotech and taken up for full development by Pfizer. Development did not use US federal funds.
Your issue is you are blind to any alternative but your own view
You have pedalled rubbish for too long. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:31 - Nov 14 with 965 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:13 - Nov 14 by Professor |
That’s because of social distancing and masks. Not packing 1000s in. Leaving then in the cold. It’s not sensationalism. You are the worst for that. Some BS off Twitter. Look at this video. All look at me , look how clever I am. The vaccine was developed by the small German Biotech and taken up for full development by Pfizer. Development did not use US federal funds.
Your issue is you are blind to any alternative but your own view
You have pedalled rubbish for too long. |
Come now Prof, you’ve been told - you’re more suited to the other board 😉 | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:37 - Nov 14 with 963 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:03 - Nov 14 by Gwyn737 |
Easy one in my mind when it comes to voting, which is completely different from attending a rally for a myriad of reasons - they’re no comparible.
Voting during a pandemic:
1. Vote in person without a mask - daft
2. Vote in person with a mask - better
3. Vote remotely - best.
Dr., you say that there needs to be a reason to vote by post. The pandemic is that reason. If we were to have a vote in the times in this country, I would without doubt do it remotely due to safety concerns. |
It’s not a reason though. The experts said it was perfectly fine, which is why 60% of the country did it perfectly fine.
You can’t be as short sighted as saying any republican gatherings are bad and any Democrat ones are fine... because of masks.
... and then think people should vote from home. Rallies aren’t important, the integrity of voting is. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:38 - Nov 14 with 962 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:31 - Nov 14 by Gwyn737 |
Come now Prof, you’ve been told - you’re more suited to the other board 😉 |
He isn’t more suited to the other board as such, I said his sensationalist nonsense was. That doesn’t work over here. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:44 - Nov 14 with 954 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:37 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not a reason though. The experts said it was perfectly fine, which is why 60% of the country did it perfectly fine.
You can’t be as short sighted as saying any republican gatherings are bad and any Democrat ones are fine... because of masks.
... and then think people should vote from home. Rallies aren’t important, the integrity of voting is. |
I don’t think any gatherings are ok at the moment whatever they’re for.
For the same reasons I think that postal voting is perfectly sensible during a pandemic. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:45 - Nov 14 with 953 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:13 - Nov 14 by Professor |
That’s because of social distancing and masks. Not packing 1000s in. Leaving then in the cold. It’s not sensationalism. You are the worst for that. Some BS off Twitter. Look at this video. All look at me , look how clever I am. The vaccine was developed by the small German Biotech and taken up for full development by Pfizer. Development did not use US federal funds.
Your issue is you are blind to any alternative but your own view
You have pedalled rubbish for too long. |
What is because of social distancing and masks? You think the people out on the streets in Democrat run states are social distancing and wearing masks?
Selective viewing maybe.
It’s clearly you are frustrated by not being able to debate with me without having to resort to play ground insults, more sinister ones and coming across like an emotional mess but for the sake of the thread, it would help if you kept your name calling and your personal attacks to a minimum.
If you could also limit your giddy sensationalist waffle that may also go some way to having a sensible discussion, DJack already does enough of that to cover you both.
Now you are back and raring to go, are you ready to address your last couple of glaring errors fuelled by your lack of knowledge regarding Planned Parenthood where you went on to call me some pretty vile things. A continuation or an apology would be nice, you got of of dodge quick smart last time as soon as you realised you completely and utterly couldn’t tell your arse from your elbow on the subject.
I’m sure you would like the chance to correct things.
The floor is yours. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:47 - Nov 14 with 951 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:44 - Nov 14 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think any gatherings are ok at the moment whatever they’re for.
For the same reasons I think that postal voting is perfectly sensible during a pandemic. |
Strange, I’ve not seen you condemn any Democrat gatherings.
The experts disagree with you regarding voting. | |
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