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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 234884 viewsDr_Parnassus



Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.

The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.

Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.

It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.

People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.

It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.

But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.

Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.

I will be watching with great interest anyway.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:51 - Nov 11 with 1283 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:34 - Nov 11 by Kilkennyjack

I am old enough to remember a bet on this tbread.

Who won ?


Nobody yet. Why do you keep getting confused on this point?

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:08 - Nov 12 with 1250 viewsGroo

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:53 - Nov 11 by A_Fans_Dad

Oh no, not just a recount.
A hand recount and full audit of every single vote.


and when the Democratic vote is still bigger, you'll still deny it.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:10 - Nov 12 with 1248 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:08 - Nov 12 by Groo

and when the Democratic vote is still bigger, you'll still deny it.


There is always likely to be bigger Democrat votes, there are more democrats than republicans.

What is being contested is that after illegal votes are removed, the republicans may have enough electoral college point to have won the election.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:18 - Nov 12 with 1233 viewsGroo

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:10 - Nov 12 by Dr_Parnassus

There is always likely to be bigger Democrat votes, there are more democrats than republicans.

What is being contested is that after illegal votes are removed, the republicans may have enough electoral college point to have won the election.


Illegal votes.

Trump has brainwashed the simple minded

I was just reading some of the examples of fraud contained in the 232 page dossier Trump's team has.

For some reason I thought of this


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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 08:11 - Nov 12 with 1195 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:18 - Nov 12 by Groo

Illegal votes.

Trump has brainwashed the simple minded

I was just reading some of the examples of fraud contained in the 232 page dossier Trump's team has.

For some reason I thought of this



Well thankfully I would doubt you are a qualified judge or indeed well versed in election laws.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:39 - Nov 12 with 1142 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Even the press have had to pick up on the Dominion machine scandal because of the President's tweets, although very little mention of Hammer & Scorecard.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:04 - Nov 12 with 1137 viewsDr_Parnassus


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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:31 - Nov 12 with 1111 viewsBoundy


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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:59 - Nov 12 with 1077 viewsGroo

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:04 - Nov 12 by Dr_Parnassus



"The Trump campaign on Thursday won a case attempting to disqualify a small number of mail-in ballots for first-time Pennsylvania voters who were unable to confirm their identification by Nov. 9.

These ballots had been segregated pending the judge’s decision and have not yet been counted, so their disqualification will not affect the current vote count in Pennsylvania."


So this is first time voters who didn't get their proof of identity clarified within time, votes that were NOT included in the count.

Still waiting for this mass fraud.

Perhaps these first time voters didn't get their identity in time because they were dead, who knows eh.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:01 - Nov 13 with 1073 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:59 - Nov 12 by Groo

"The Trump campaign on Thursday won a case attempting to disqualify a small number of mail-in ballots for first-time Pennsylvania voters who were unable to confirm their identification by Nov. 9.

These ballots had been segregated pending the judge’s decision and have not yet been counted, so their disqualification will not affect the current vote count in Pennsylvania."


So this is first time voters who didn't get their proof of identity clarified within time, votes that were NOT included in the count.

Still waiting for this mass fraud.

Perhaps these first time voters didn't get their identity in time because they were dead, who knows eh.


What do you mean you are waiting for it? I would be very certain no proof is going to be sent to Groo's PM on Swansea Independent.

There are hundred's of pages of affidavits.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:05 - Nov 13 with 1065 viewsGroo

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:01 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus

What do you mean you are waiting for it? I would be very certain no proof is going to be sent to Groo's PM on Swansea Independent.

There are hundred's of pages of affidavits.


Yeah like the guy who saw a majority of military votes going to the democrats, who therefore thought somethings off, because everybody knows the miltary are republicans.

Yeah, loads like that (and that is one that is actually in there)

As I said, like watching Jasper Carrott.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:19 - Nov 13 with 1057 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:05 - Nov 13 by Groo

Yeah like the guy who saw a majority of military votes going to the democrats, who therefore thought somethings off, because everybody knows the miltary are republicans.

Yeah, loads like that (and that is one that is actually in there)

As I said, like watching Jasper Carrott.


No, not like that.

Like voting malpractice, not presumed anomalies.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:27 - Nov 13 with 1051 viewsDJack

Cybersecurity agency within Homeland Security says ‘no evidence’ of voter fraud

A committee within the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) that worked on protecting U.S. voting systems released a firmly worded statement calling the Nov. 3 elections “the most secure in American history” and contradicting any claims of widespread voter fraud.

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the committee members wrote. “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

The release comes on the heels of reporting earlier in the day by Reuters that Christopher Krebs, the head of the CISA expected to be fired over his efforts to debunk misinformation about voting fraud.

After the CISA release went out, Krebs retweeted an election law expert calling out Trump for spreading misinformation.

“Please don’t retweet wild and baseless claims about voting machines, even if they’re made by the president. These fantasies have been debunked many times,” wrote David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation & Research, adding a link to a CISA website called Rumor Control that seeks to correct misinformation about the voting in U.S. elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/12/joe-biden-trump-election-liv

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:41 - Nov 13 with 1047 viewsDJack

From the OSCE observers.

"The international mission said however that "the campaign was characterised by deeply entrenched political polarisation that often obscured the broader policy debate and included baseless allegations of systematic fraud."


https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/05/us-election-attempts-to-undermine-public-tru

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:53 - Nov 13 with 1042 viewsDr_Parnassus

You seem to be posting opinion pieces from people who do not matter again.

''There is no evidence'' means ''there is no evidence I have seen''... but nobody has presented them with the evidence, so of course there isn't.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:00 - Nov 13 with 1037 viewsDJack

So impartial international observers saw nothing and we cant trust it and Trumpists think there may have been something and it's credible...riiigght.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:09 - Nov 13 with 1035 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:00 - Nov 13 by DJack

So impartial international observers saw nothing and we cant trust it and Trumpists think there may have been something and it's credible...riiigght.


They weren't there to see anything.

Its like Alex Ferguson commenting on Joe Rodon and his relationship with Swansea. He has no idea, just because he is in the industry doesn't mean is witness to the internal workings of Swansea football club.

''Trumpists'' don't think anything. Allegations of voter fraud and voter malpractice have been brought forward on a scale never seen before. Regardless of who you support you should welcome and all investigations as we should all be supporters of Democracy.

That's unless you would prefer a result you want over democracy that is...

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:14 - Nov 13 with 1033 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:09 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus

They weren't there to see anything.

Its like Alex Ferguson commenting on Joe Rodon and his relationship with Swansea. He has no idea, just because he is in the industry doesn't mean is witness to the internal workings of Swansea football club.

''Trumpists'' don't think anything. Allegations of voter fraud and voter malpractice have been brought forward on a scale never seen before. Regardless of who you support you should welcome and all investigations as we should all be supporters of Democracy.

That's unless you would prefer a result you want over democracy that is...


Democracy is five million more votes than Trump Democracy says Biden has more Electoral College votes than Trump. The only people looking for the result that they want over Democracy are the majority Republicans, you know those that lost a democratic election.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:16 - Nov 13 with 1031 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:14 - Nov 13 by DJack

Democracy is five million more votes than Trump Democracy says Biden has more Electoral College votes than Trump. The only people looking for the result that they want over Democracy are the majority Republicans, you know those that lost a democratic election.


No, the current polling output says the above.

Democracy is yet to be determined, hence why no state is yet to sign off on them.

As for Republicans losing the election, I think you mean Trump losing the election... the Republicans overwhelmingly won the election and gaining seats in the house and looking to control the Senate.

But we will see if that stands. Democracy is the most important thing.
[Post edited 13 Nov 2020 3:17]

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:20 - Nov 13 with 1029 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:16 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus

No, the current polling output says the above.

Democracy is yet to be determined, hence why no state is yet to sign off on them.

As for Republicans losing the election, I think you mean Trump losing the election... the Republicans overwhelmingly won the election and gaining seats in the house and looking to control the Senate.

But we will see if that stands. Democracy is the most important thing.
[Post edited 13 Nov 2020 3:17]


Horseshit. The founding fathers did'nt set out how it was to be decided as they expected the gentlemen to note and accept the results. The democracy has been determined but one side is trying to undermine it.

Edit as you've edited

Except that States have been flipped. Georgia may be about to lose it's two Senators and even if they dont the gap in the Senate has closed and there are midterms to come.
[Post edited 13 Nov 2020 1:23]

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:22 - Nov 13 with 1026 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:20 - Nov 13 by DJack

Horseshit. The founding fathers did'nt set out how it was to be decided as they expected the gentlemen to note and accept the results. The democracy has been determined but one side is trying to undermine it.

Edit as you've edited

Except that States have been flipped. Georgia may be about to lose it's two Senators and even if they dont the gap in the Senate has closed and there are midterms to come.
[Post edited 13 Nov 2020 1:23]


Which part is horseshit?

Specifically.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:24 - Nov 13 with 1024 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:22 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus

Which part is horseshit?

Specifically.


Your comment on the sign off.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:26 - Nov 13 with 1022 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:24 - Nov 13 by DJack

Your comment on the sign off.


''Democracy is the most important thing''?

You don't think so?

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:29 - Nov 13 with 1017 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:26 - Nov 13 by Dr_Parnassus

''Democracy is the most important thing''?

You don't think so?


Nope, I didn't say that.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:33 - Nov 13 with 1012 viewsDJack

and once again as you appear to have missed it (perhaps)

Cybersecurity agency within Homeland Security says ‘no evidence’ of voter fraud

A committee within the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) that worked on protecting U.S. voting systems released a firmly worded statement calling the Nov. 3 elections “the most secure in American history” and contradicting any claims of widespread voter fraud.

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the committee members wrote. “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

The release comes on the heels of reporting earlier in the day by Reuters that Christopher Krebs, the head of the CISA expected to be fired over his efforts to debunk misinformation about voting fraud.

After the CISA release went out, Krebs retweeted an election law expert calling out Trump for spreading misinformation.

“Please don’t retweet wild and baseless claims about voting machines, even if they’re made by the president. These fantasies have been debunked many times,” wrote David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation & Research, adding a link to a CISA website called Rumor Control that seeks to correct misinformation about the voting in U.S. elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/12/joe-biden-trump-election-liv

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