| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 244277 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:57 - Nov 14 with 1230 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:37 - Nov 14 by majorraglan |
As far as I can see, Pfizer never took funding for R and D but they did agree to sell about $2bn work of vaccines if it worked out and was licensed by the FDA. |
Yes you are correct.
They wouldn't be worried about investing their own cash in to R &D with the promise of a $1.95 billion deal for 100 million doses would they.
But that is the kind of thing that warpspeed was all about. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:58 - Nov 14 with 1229 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:37 - Nov 14 by majorraglan |
As far as I can see, Pfizer never took funding for R and D but they did agree to sell about $2bn work of vaccines if it worked out and was licensed by the FDA. |
Not quite. The they signed a deal with Trump admin who would give them $1.95bn if they could produce 100 million vaccines by a certain date. Operation Warp Speed was a mix of up front funding and incentives for companies to come up with a solution quickly. Pfizer were part of that incentive. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:00 - Nov 14 with 1219 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Some turnout. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:12 - Nov 14 with 1211 views | Boundy |
First we had Build back Better , now
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| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:32 - Nov 14 with 1194 views | Jack123 |
I wish I was marching with these lads today
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:47 - Nov 14 with 1185 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:32 - Nov 14 by Jack123 |
I wish I was marching with these lads today
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Can’t say I share the same sentiment. They are simply there to protect people from ANTIFA violence. A necessary part of the march unfortunately, but much like the angry left - can’t see me ever wanting to be mates with them even though their base beliefs are so much more socially palatable than their counterparts - regardless of what the media falsely try and say.
I would much prefer to be marching with the majority of the others that are actively celebrating their country and recognising how lucky they are to have such freedoms. Something that is completely lost on the other side. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:50 - Nov 14 with 1174 views | KeithHaynes |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:47 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Can’t say I share the same sentiment. They are simply there to protect people from ANTIFA violence. A necessary part of the march unfortunately, but much like the angry left - can’t see me ever wanting to be mates with them even though their base beliefs are so much more socially palatable than their counterparts - regardless of what the media falsely try and say.
I would much prefer to be marching with the majority of the others that are actively celebrating their country and recognising how lucky they are to have such freedoms. Something that is completely lost on the other side. |
I love my Fred Perry original black polo with yellow trim. I’ve had it for some thirty five years. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:04 - Nov 14 with 1158 views | Jack123 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:47 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Can’t say I share the same sentiment. They are simply there to protect people from ANTIFA violence. A necessary part of the march unfortunately, but much like the angry left - can’t see me ever wanting to be mates with them even though their base beliefs are so much more socially palatable than their counterparts - regardless of what the media falsely try and say.
I would much prefer to be marching with the majority of the others that are actively celebrating their country and recognising how lucky they are to have such freedoms. Something that is completely lost on the other side. |
Granted.. Dr P, I love them against the antifa!! To be honest, the bit I liked was f** antifa at the start.. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:11 - Nov 14 with 1149 views | Jack123 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:50 - Nov 14 by KeithHaynes |
I love my Fred Perry original black polo with yellow trim. I’ve had it for some thirty five years. |
It's a smart top too be fair. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:13 - Nov 14 with 1148 views | Dr_Winston |
Trump couldn't get more than a couple of hundred thousand to turn out for his inauguration. About 20-30,000 nutters will turn out for the "We lost but we're kidding ourselves" parade, but no more than that. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:15 - Nov 14 with 1143 views | Groo |
https://theconversation.com/over-1-million-mail-in-ballots-could-be-rejected-in-
This link was posted a week or so before the election which rightly predicted over a million would be rejected. It also details the main causes and the fact that every State has different rules.
It also correctly states that the votes that are not counted will have more effect on the election. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:16 - Nov 14 with 1142 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:13 - Nov 14 by Dr_Winston |
Trump couldn't get more than a couple of hundred thousand to turn out for his inauguration. About 20-30,000 nutters will turn out for the "We lost but we're kidding ourselves" parade, but no more than that. |
That’s right mate, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a nutter. History is full of those types, unfortunately that attitude never ends well. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:24 - Nov 14 with 1132 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:04 - Nov 14 by Jack123 |
Granted.. Dr P, I love them against the antifa!! To be honest, the bit I liked was f** antifa at the start.. |
Yeah I saw some videos posted of BLM screaming at people peacefully walking past and asking them for a fight. Their intolerance is horrifying and despicable to watch.
I do laugh at people calling the Proud Boys white supremacists though. It makes me want to ruffle their hair and give them a tap on the head. Cute. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:29 - Nov 14 with 1124 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:24 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yeah I saw some videos posted of BLM screaming at people peacefully walking past and asking them for a fight. Their intolerance is horrifying and despicable to watch.
I do laugh at people calling the Proud Boys white supremacists though. It makes me want to ruffle their hair and give them a tap on the head. Cute. |
"In Nevada, two days after the election, a group of Trump allies claimed that thousands of people had voted illegally in Clark County, home to Las Vegas.
“That is unacceptable, and it’s giving legal people a sense that the system is corrupt,” said Richard Grenell, Trump’s former acting director of national intelligence.
Neither the Trump campaign nor the GOP were named plaintiffs in the federal lawsuit that was eventually filed by Republicans, which presented no evidence that thousands of people had voted improperly.
By then, the allegation had been whittled down drastically. Instead of 10,000 cases, Trump’s allies presented one: a woman named Jill Stokke, who said she was denied the right to vote in person because her mail ballot had been stolen and filled out by someone else.
But, in fact, Stokke’s story was more complicated. Election officials said they had indeed received a mail ballot from her – but the signature matched her own. They had offered her a chance to cancel that mail ballot and vote again if she would sign an affidavit saying the mail ballot had been stolen. She did not."
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:33 - Nov 14 with 1118 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:29 - Nov 14 by Groo |
"In Nevada, two days after the election, a group of Trump allies claimed that thousands of people had voted illegally in Clark County, home to Las Vegas.
“That is unacceptable, and it’s giving legal people a sense that the system is corrupt,” said Richard Grenell, Trump’s former acting director of national intelligence.
Neither the Trump campaign nor the GOP were named plaintiffs in the federal lawsuit that was eventually filed by Republicans, which presented no evidence that thousands of people had voted improperly.
By then, the allegation had been whittled down drastically. Instead of 10,000 cases, Trump’s allies presented one: a woman named Jill Stokke, who said she was denied the right to vote in person because her mail ballot had been stolen and filled out by someone else.
But, in fact, Stokke’s story was more complicated. Election officials said they had indeed received a mail ballot from her – but the signature matched her own. They had offered her a chance to cancel that mail ballot and vote again if she would sign an affidavit saying the mail ballot had been stolen. She did not."
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:35 - Nov 14 with 1117 views | Groo |
"Lawyers for the Trump campaign sent a letter Thursday to U.S. Attorney General William P. Barr alleging “criminal voter fraud in the State of Nevada” and claiming to have identified 3,062 people who voted improperly. They enclosed a list of addresses of voters who they said had moved out of state, information they said came from cross-checking voter data with the National Change of Address database.
At a news conference Sunday before a crowd of cheering supporters in Las Vegas, Trump campaign officials went further, claiming that as many as 9,000 nonresidents wrongly voted and that the Clark County elections system was riddled with other fraud, without offering credible evidence.
Groans and gasps could be heard from the crowd as campaign officials accused Democratic officials in Clark County of disenfranchising Republican voters. “Stop the steal,” the crowd chanted.
Local election officials have stressed that Nevada law allows some people to vote while living out of state: students, military personnel and military spouses.
“You don’t have to live here in order to be eligible to vote here,” Joe Gloria, the Clark County registrar of voters, told reporters last week.
The addresses of Amy Rose and her husband, an Air Force service member, are on the Trump campaign’s list of out-of-state voters. Rose and her husband currently live in Davis, Calif., where she works for a veterans support organization and her husband is pursuing a doctorate, doing Air Force-funded research in aerospace engineering.
“It’s really appalling to be used as pawns” to undermine confidence in the election results, Rose said. “We both take our duties as citizens seriously. It was quite shocking to see our integrity challenged without any basis in fact.” "
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:38 - Nov 14 with 1111 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I’m unsure why people keep copy and pasting “news” articles here.
It would be so much better for the discussion and the thread in general if you make a point in your own words. If someone asks for supporting evidence then feel free to provide it.
This spate of copy and paste dumps is baffling. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:41 - Nov 14 with 1105 views | Groo |
"Trump supporters spent much of the week alleging that the tabulators were thrown off by the use of Sharpie pens and therefore disqualified large numbers of votes. State officials have insisted Sharpie pens are in fact the best writing instrument to use with the machines because of their fast-dry ink, and they do not cause problems."
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:44 - Nov 14 with 1100 views | Groo |
"In another suit, Trump’s presidential campaign asked a judge to stop all processing of absentee ballots in Michigan.
In that case, a Republican election observer said she’d been given a sticky note by an unnamed poll worker, alleging that late-arriving ballots were being counted improperly. But she couldn’t provide the poll worker’s name or any other proof.
A judge rejected that, saying that the GOP’s evidence was inadmissible as hearsay. The judge also said that – because Trump’s campaign had waited until late afternoon on Wednesday to file – its suit was moot.
“By the time this action was filed, the votes had largely been counted, and the counting is now complete,” Judge Cynthia Diane Stephens wrote Friday."
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:45 - Nov 14 with 1099 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:38 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’m unsure why people keep copy and pasting “news” articles here.
It would be so much better for the discussion and the thread in general if you make a point in your own words. If someone asks for supporting evidence then feel free to provide it.
This spate of copy and paste dumps is baffling. |
They’re first person accounts. Or ‘evidence’ if you’re Rudy Giuliani.
I find it incredibly entertaining, keep ‘em coming! US television news is like one long episode of The Thick of It. A TV destruction of a TV president. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:45 - Nov 14 with 1097 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:41 - Nov 14 by Groo |
"Trump supporters spent much of the week alleging that the tabulators were thrown off by the use of Sharpie pens and therefore disqualified large numbers of votes. State officials have insisted Sharpie pens are in fact the best writing instrument to use with the machines because of their fast-dry ink, and they do not cause problems."
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''Spent much of the week''
This is why people should be able to form their own opinions instead of quoting other people's opinions. I am sure these people spent much of their week talking about a pen. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:47 - Nov 14 with 1095 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:45 - Nov 14 by Gwyn737 |
They’re first person accounts. Or ‘evidence’ if you’re Rudy Giuliani.
I find it incredibly entertaining, keep ‘em coming! US television news is like one long episode of The Thick of It. A TV destruction of a TV president. |
You don't think witness statements is evidence?
Are you aware that the vast majority of evidence used in criminal and civil proceedings is that of sworn affidavits? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:54 - Nov 14 with 1090 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:47 - Nov 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
You don't think witness statements is evidence?
Are you aware that the vast majority of evidence used in criminal and civil proceedings is that of sworn affidavits? |
Yes, I am. And that evidence can be wrong, hence the use of inverted commas. | | | |
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