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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Not according to the Detroit News and any other online report I'm reading.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-canvasse
"Unbalanced precincts have historically been a problem in Detroit, where 72 percent of poll books in the August primary were out of balance. In the 2016 presidential election – when Donald Trump won the state and the presidency – a state audit in Detroit found a series of mismatched Detroit vote totals in the presidential election, attributing them to human error and not to widespread voter fraud.
During that presidential election, 71 percent of precincts could not be balanced, but the audit reduced the magnitude of the discrepancies "significantly." "
https://patch.com/michigan/detroit/wayne-county-deadlocks-election-results-certi |
You most certainly are in DJack territory now.
Your copy and paste says nothing that goes against the facts I just typed.
Use your words, not someone else's. Copy and pasting in bulk and then expecting me to work out what your point is, is not a time effective way of discussing things, | |
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DETROIT – At first, it seemed like a win for President Trump's supporters: The Wayne County Board of Canvassers deadlocked Tuesday night over whether to certify the results of the presidential election in the populous Democratic county, punting the question to a state regulatory board.
In a tweet, Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis called it a “huge win” for the president, who has not conceded the presidential race and who has made false accusations of voter fraud.
But hours later, the board – composed of two Republicans and two Democrats – reversed itself, unanimously agreeing to certify the results and ask the secretary of state to conduct an independent audit. The about-face left Democrats and voting rights advocates cheering. |
So exactly what I said then? | |
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So exactly what I said then? |
So those links all state the vote is Certified, you still claim its not certified.
Good for you. Looks like youre finally made it, living in your own dreamland. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:59 - Nov 18 with 1089 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:56 - Nov 18 by Groo |
So those links all state the vote is Certified, you still claim its not certified.
Good for you. Looks like youre finally made it, living in your own dreamland. |
That's you yet again not understanding what has been said.
They refused to certify it, that was a massive win for Trump because it revealed the issues with the vote in that county (more votes than voters). It was then going to go to Michigan state to certify, however they decided to reverse the decision.
That has no impact on the reason why they refused, which is what Trump will obviously use to take to the Supreme Court. You can't have more votes than voters.
If you are struggling then happy to explain, but you will need to be specific with what is confusing you. I can't keep guessing what your point is or what you are having trouble with, use your words. | |
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That's you yet again not understanding what has been said.
They refused to certify it, that was a massive win for Trump because it revealed the issues with the vote in that county (more votes than voters). It was then going to go to Michigan state to certify, however they decided to reverse the decision.
That has no impact on the reason why they refused, which is what Trump will obviously use to take to the Supreme Court. You can't have more votes than voters.
If you are struggling then happy to explain, but you will need to be specific with what is confusing you. I can't keep guessing what your point is or what you are having trouble with, use your words. |
I'm struggling? You'll find its you struggling.
You put up a tweet and you triumphantly wrote
"Breaking from Michigan."
The tweet stated
"The refusal of Wayne County (Detroit) to certify their election results is a huge win for President Trump. "
I replied with "Wayne County have CERTIFIED the vote."
You replied
"No they didn't."
The fact is, they did.
The big news was the refusal by the republicans in the first place was for political reasons, they very quickly reversed that decision.
A quote from one of the papers
"Benson, the secretary of state, added that similar circumstances had arisen in previous elections, with disputed canvassing results sent to the state level for recanvassing.
“It is common for some precincts in Michigan and across the country to be out of balance by a small number of votes, especially when turnout is high,” Benson, a Democrat, said in a statement.
She stressed that the county board’s decision “is not an indication that any votes were improperly cast or counted.” "
One of the reports indicated this type of error is common, across all States, even ones where Republicans win and these are never enough to get anywhere near close to changing results and traditionally get ironed out after the election through audits.
The two republicans who quickly changed their minds, only did this for political reasons. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 04:14 - Nov 18 by Groo |
I'm struggling? You'll find its you struggling.
You put up a tweet and you triumphantly wrote
"Breaking from Michigan."
The tweet stated
"The refusal of Wayne County (Detroit) to certify their election results is a huge win for President Trump. "
I replied with "Wayne County have CERTIFIED the vote."
You replied
"No they didn't."
The fact is, they did.
The big news was the refusal by the republicans in the first place was for political reasons, they very quickly reversed that decision.
A quote from one of the papers
"Benson, the secretary of state, added that similar circumstances had arisen in previous elections, with disputed canvassing results sent to the state level for recanvassing.
“It is common for some precincts in Michigan and across the country to be out of balance by a small number of votes, especially when turnout is high,” Benson, a Democrat, said in a statement.
She stressed that the county board’s decision “is not an indication that any votes were improperly cast or counted.” "
One of the reports indicated this type of error is common, across all States, even ones where Republicans win and these are never enough to get anywhere near close to changing results and traditionally get ironed out after the election through audits.
The two republicans who quickly changed their minds, only did this for political reasons. |
nice selective quoting there Groo, I can only assume you have realised your error.
I posted a tweet factually stating that Wayne County refused to certify the vote due to there being irregularities including (but not limited to) there being more votes than voters. A huge win for Trump who can then take that to the Supreme Court.
You replied saying that they did certify it.
I replied clearly stating that the fact they refused to certify it is where the win is. The fact they reversed it after huge pressure put onto the GOP members including being accused of racism - does not impact the reason they refused to certify it.
So again, which bit are you having a hard time with?
I assume we can cut to the chase and agree that they refused to certify it due to there being more votes than voters which is a massive angle for legal action for Trump, yes?
If you disagree I would be fascinated to hear how you could possibly put an argument against what I have said.
Over to you... | |
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Hard to disagree with the orange fella really isn’t it?
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 04:37 - Nov 18 with 1051 views | Groo |
and this is not unusual, it happens.
In this case as the link below shows:
"The board's votes came after absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. The mismatches varied anywhere from one to more than four votes. "
So 70% of 134 boards, thats 94 boards, with between 1 and 4 extra votes, lets be generous and give all 94 boards 4, that a whopping 375 votes.
So the republicans initially refused to certify over 375 votes, in a state where Biden won by 146,000 votes!!!!
As I said political reasons only. Especially when this type of error is common and usually straightened out later.
You maybe right on the Supreme Court, he's dying to get the election into that so his appointed judge can assist in HIM stealing a legitimate valid election.
You honestly believe thats a good thing? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 04:37 - Nov 18 by Groo |
and this is not unusual, it happens.
In this case as the link below shows:
"The board's votes came after absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. The mismatches varied anywhere from one to more than four votes. "
So 70% of 134 boards, thats 94 boards, with between 1 and 4 extra votes, lets be generous and give all 94 boards 4, that a whopping 375 votes.
So the republicans initially refused to certify over 375 votes, in a state where Biden won by 146,000 votes!!!!
As I said political reasons only. Especially when this type of error is common and usually straightened out later.
You maybe right on the Supreme Court, he's dying to get the election into that so his appointed judge can assist in HIM stealing a legitimate valid election.
You honestly believe thats a good thing? |
So because that happens a lot you think it’s ok? Think about that for a second.
Whether you said “political reasons” is irrelevant, you weren’t there. I am seeing they were put under great pressure even being accused of racism (the leftist trick when someone does or says something they don’t like).
Averaging 1-4 extra votes and extrapolating them over counties does not work. I am happy to explain why if you can’t figure that out.
Of course he will be taking this whole thing to the Supreme Court, the goal of the next few months is to get as much evidence of irregularities as possible. So these revelations are going to be an excellent angle for this district. | |
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So because that happens a lot you think it’s ok? Think about that for a second.
Whether you said “political reasons” is irrelevant, you weren’t there. I am seeing they were put under great pressure even being accused of racism (the leftist trick when someone does or says something they don’t like).
Averaging 1-4 extra votes and extrapolating them over counties does not work. I am happy to explain why if you can’t figure that out.
Of course he will be taking this whole thing to the Supreme Court, the goal of the next few months is to get as much evidence of irregularities as possible. So these revelations are going to be an excellent angle for this district. |
You are desperate arn't you. | |
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You are desperate arn't you. |
Desperate?
I am stating facts. Facts you don’t seem to like.
I can’t help that. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 04:53 - Nov 18 with 1042 views | Groo |
Oh and think its OK!!
Like everyone else, I would love it if there were never errors, but guess what, we live in an imperfect world.
The vast majority of issues are human error not fraud, these errors are usually, like they were in this case, noted and set up to be reviewed and checked later. Simply as these errors are never enough to effect the overall result.
If they looked hard enough they would find errors littering every single state, but small numbers.
Its not just this election, its every election.
The only difference with this election is a lunatic who can't accept defeat and stirring up as much trouble and division he can. | |
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Oh and think its OK!!
Like everyone else, I would love it if there were never errors, but guess what, we live in an imperfect world.
The vast majority of issues are human error not fraud, these errors are usually, like they were in this case, noted and set up to be reviewed and checked later. Simply as these errors are never enough to effect the overall result.
If they looked hard enough they would find errors littering every single state, but small numbers.
Its not just this election, its every election.
The only difference with this election is a lunatic who can't accept defeat and stirring up as much trouble and division he can. |
I don’t know why you keep banging the drum of errors and not fraud. A ballot counted in error and a ballot counted fraudulently is the same result.
If they are only small errors then you have nothing to worry about. However after the audit ordered in Georgia they discovered 2600 votes in a single district that was “forgotten” to be uploaded which showed a swing of 800 votes to Trump, making up 7% of his total state deficit.
Whether that was fraud or error is down to interpretation, that’s the thing with fraud, it can often be stated it was error if caught. | |
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I don’t know why you keep banging the drum of errors and not fraud. A ballot counted in error and a ballot counted fraudulently is the same result.
If they are only small errors then you have nothing to worry about. However after the audit ordered in Georgia they discovered 2600 votes in a single district that was “forgotten” to be uploaded which showed a swing of 800 votes to Trump, making up 7% of his total state deficit.
Whether that was fraud or error is down to interpretation, that’s the thing with fraud, it can often be stated it was error if caught. |
You keep banging on that there's no difference between fraud and error, quite pathetic really. | |
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Here, just for you as I know you have an issuie with googling things to find the facts when your wrong.
"What's the difference between the two? The difference between fraud and error lies in the intention. Simply put, fraud is an act that is intentionally carried out to benefit certain individuals or groups and causes detrimental effect to others, while errors are acts of unintentional mistake or negligence" | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:02 - Nov 18 by Groo |
You keep banging on that there's no difference between fraud and error, quite pathetic really. |
In terms of outcome, there isn’t. The result is the same.
If they find an error that negates 3000 ballots and find fraud than negates 3000 ballots is irrelevant. Or do you reckon they will still count the error ones because they didn’t mean it?
Come on Groo, get with the programme here. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:06 - Nov 18 with 1029 views | Groo |
and was pointed out those 2600 votes would have been picked up as they look for such errors, as a matter of fact, they did find it. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:07 - Nov 18 with 1029 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:04 - Nov 18 by Groo |
Here, just for you as I know you have an issuie with googling things to find the facts when your wrong.
"What's the difference between the two? The difference between fraud and error lies in the intention. Simply put, fraud is an act that is intentionally carried out to benefit certain individuals or groups and causes detrimental effect to others, while errors are acts of unintentional mistake or negligence" |
Read what I said again. I didn’t say the were the same thing, I said it was the same result.
I can’t work out of you are intentionally dishonest in debate or get desperate when floundering and change what I actually say to what you would like me to have said.
I’m very careful with my words Groo. To save time you should probably respond to what I actually say rather than what you imagine I say. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:07 - Nov 18 with 1027 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:06 - Nov 18 by Groo |
and was pointed out those 2600 votes would have been picked up as they look for such errors, as a matter of fact, they did find it. |
.... because of the audit, yes. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:08 - Nov 18 with 1026 views | Kilkennyjack |
Dear Dr, your boy has taken one hell of a beating.
Sleepy Joe has tucked him up. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:11 - Nov 18 with 1023 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:08 - Nov 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Dear Dr, your boy has taken one hell of a beating.
Sleepy Joe has tucked him up. |
Of course he has lost the local court cases, nobody was expecting him to win any state court battles. They are in Democrat areas.
Unless you didn’t understand what was going on here and thought Trump was taking legal action in these State courts to actually get a positive result instead of using them as the first step of a process to end in Supreme Court.
If that’s the case I can only suggest you start to think about what is going on as opposed to reading news at face value. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 5:11]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:11 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course he has lost the local court cases, nobody was expecting him to win any state court battles. They are in Democrat areas.
Unless you didn’t understand what was going on here and thought Trump was taking legal action in these State courts to actually get a positive result instead of using them as the first step of a process to end in Supreme Court.
If that’s the case I can only suggest you start to think about what is going on as opposed to reading news at face value. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 5:11]
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He's not wrong there.
Trump is desperate to get the election to the Supreme Court, where the Republicans outnumber the Democrats by a large number, where one especially beholdant to him who he recently appointed.
Even though the previous President was prohibited from appointing a new Supreme Court judge by Mitch McConnel because 11 months before the election was deemed too close to the election.
But Dr P thinks it bad that a few errors are included in a vote to bring in a democrat president (even though these errors happen every election and every other losing candidate of all parties have in the past conceded with honour)
But Dr P thinks its perfectly fine to have a partisan few appoint someone. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:36 - Nov 18 with 1013 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:26 - Nov 18 by Groo |
He's not wrong there.
Trump is desperate to get the election to the Supreme Court, where the Republicans outnumber the Democrats by a large number, where one especially beholdant to him who he recently appointed.
Even though the previous President was prohibited from appointing a new Supreme Court judge by Mitch McConnel because 11 months before the election was deemed too close to the election.
But Dr P thinks it bad that a few errors are included in a vote to bring in a democrat president (even though these errors happen every election and every other losing candidate of all parties have in the past conceded with honour)
But Dr P thinks its perfectly fine to have a partisan few appoint someone. |
Who isn’t wrong?
Supreme Court is the best of the best and they go through vigorous checks and tests before being confirmed. To compare local court to the highest court in the land is laughable.
Obama appointed 2 judges to the Supreme Court and was denied the third. Coney Barrett’s appointment was vital due to the increasing likelihood it would go there because of the Democrat pushed new way of voting which is notoriously inaccurate.
...not to mention the instructions to Biden from Pelosi to “not concede under ANY circumstance”. Quite ironic really.
Republicans had a clear majority whether she was appointed or not 5-3. However it is important to have a 9th appointment to avoid any potential of a tie and the problems that would cause for the country, it was an exceptional circumstance.
And yes I fully backed that as it was the common sense position. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 5:38]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:44 - Nov 18 with 1006 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:36 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who isn’t wrong?
Supreme Court is the best of the best and they go through vigorous checks and tests before being confirmed. To compare local court to the highest court in the land is laughable.
Obama appointed 2 judges to the Supreme Court and was denied the third. Coney Barrett’s appointment was vital due to the increasing likelihood it would go there because of the Democrat pushed new way of voting which is notoriously inaccurate.
...not to mention the instructions to Biden from Pelosi to “not concede under ANY circumstance”. Quite ironic really.
Republicans had a clear majority whether she was appointed or not 5-3. However it is important to have a 9th appointment to avoid any potential of a tie and the problems that would cause for the country, it was an exceptional circumstance.
And yes I fully backed that as it was the common sense position. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 5:38]
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Personally I believe the peoples vote should trump (no pun intended) the vote of 9 people, however much they are checked.
Trump lost the election. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:49 - Nov 18 with 1004 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:44 - Nov 18 by Groo |
Personally I believe the peoples vote should trump (no pun intended) the vote of 9 people, however much they are checked.
Trump lost the election. |
That’s the point, due to the amount of mail in ballots, there is little confidence in that vote. | |
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