| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 234952 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:02 - Nov 18 with 1278 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 05:49 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s the point, due to the amount of mail in ballots, there is little confidence in that vote. |
There's every confidence in the vote by the majority of the election officials, even the head of cyber security who Trump sacked because he wouldn't try to decieve the public as Trump wanted.
Trump is a liar and doing everything in his power to dirty the water.
The man has zero honour. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:05 - Nov 18 with 1271 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:02 - Nov 18 by Groo |
There's every confidence in the vote by the majority of the election officials, even the head of cyber security who Trump sacked because he wouldn't try to decieve the public as Trump wanted.
Trump is a liar and doing everything in his power to dirty the water.
The man has zero honour. |
They don’t matter, they have not seen the evidence or the anomalies. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:18 - Nov 18 with 1265 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:05 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
They don’t matter, they have not seen the evidence or the anomalies. |
The electrol officials?
The Head of Cyber Security?
You know more than these?
Its been repeated time after time by many many officials that there is no evidence of any fraud on any level that would be enough to change the election, nothing out of the norm of any other election. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:23 - Nov 18 with 1258 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:18 - Nov 18 by Groo |
The electrol officials?
The Head of Cyber Security?
You know more than these?
Its been repeated time after time by many many officials that there is no evidence of any fraud on any level that would be enough to change the election, nothing out of the norm of any other election. |
I know more? Where do I come into this?
Are you reading what you want to read again?
I am only stating that every and all accusations of voter fraud and vote mismanagement should be fully investigated and go through the proper court procedure. Again, the common sense position.
“No evidence”.... that they have seen. It’s a very important distinction to make and one I have clarified for you many times in this thread now.
As an aside, hard to argue with this:-
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:29 - Nov 18 with 1246 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:23 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
I know more? Where do I come into this?
Are you reading what you want to read again?
I am only stating that every and all accusations of voter fraud and vote mismanagement should be fully investigated and go through the proper court procedure. Again, the common sense position.
“No evidence”.... that they have seen. It’s a very important distinction to make and one I have clarified for you many times in this thread now.
As an aside, hard to argue with this:-
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Yet no evidence, virtually all the cases taken to court are thrown out as the allegations are spurious.
Again no evidence of anything more than any other election.
I have heard nothing to make me think this is out of the ordinary.
The only thing out of the ordinary is a sore loser who is a risk and danger to the people of his country. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:31 - Nov 18 with 1244 views | Groo |
The Head of Cyber Security is sacked because in his expert opinion, from the evidence he has seen and gathered, the election result is safe.
Maybe you should think about that. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:34 - Nov 18 with 1241 views | Groo |
Two officials stood up the machine!!!!!!
Two officials wanted to default 2.5 million votes because of an error of less than 300 votes where the winner won by more than 140,000 votes.
As said earlier, this type of insignificant error is seen in all States, identified and scrutiised later, their action was not the normal thing to do, it was purely political. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:44 - Nov 18 with 1236 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:34 - Nov 18 by Groo |
Two officials stood up the machine!!!!!!
Two officials wanted to default 2.5 million votes because of an error of less than 300 votes where the winner won by more than 140,000 votes.
As said earlier, this type of insignificant error is seen in all States, identified and scrutiised later, their action was not the normal thing to do, it was purely political. |
No they didn’t.
You don’t understand the topic or the process. They wanted to stop the certification of the vote from one district due to the anomalies within that vote.
After refusing on that basis they were founded upon until they changed their minds.
No fraud or error is insignificant. The more light shone on it the better. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:15 - Nov 18 with 1224 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 06:44 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
No they didn’t.
You don’t understand the topic or the process. They wanted to stop the certification of the vote from one district due to the anomalies within that vote.
After refusing on that basis they were founded upon until they changed their minds.
No fraud or error is insignificant. The more light shone on it the better. |
Keith really needs to stick a fork in this. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a desperate, pathetic thread on here and that’s saying something. If if it’s not a windup it’s sadder than sad to witness. One or two of you could do with taking a break and then reading this with a clear head. You know who you are, the usual suspect. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:50 - Nov 18 with 1207 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:15 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
Keith really needs to stick a fork in this. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a desperate, pathetic thread on here and that’s saying something. If if it’s not a windup it’s sadder than sad to witness. One or two of you could do with taking a break and then reading this with a clear head. You know who you are, the usual suspect. |
Are you ok Itch?
It’s not your bi-weekly meltdown already is it? Doesn’t seem that long since the last one.
Don’t click on the thread good boy, it will do you wonders.
Running to Keith to lock a thread you don’t contribute to because it doesn’t entertain you is not the attitude of any rational individual, is it?
Hope you don’t mind me saying? | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 09:32 - Nov 18 with 1169 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:50 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Are you ok Itch?
It’s not your bi-weekly meltdown already is it? Doesn’t seem that long since the last one.
Don’t click on the thread good boy, it will do you wonders.
Running to Keith to lock a thread you don’t contribute to because it doesn’t entertain you is not the attitude of any rational individual, is it?
Hope you don’t mind me saying? |
Running to Keith? I don’t think I’ve ever reported a thread? It was just an opinion my old friend, you know, just thinking out loud. Maybe don’t take things quite so seriously, but apologies if I rattled you, I wasn’t even trying. x | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 10:30 - Nov 18 with 1146 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 09:32 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
Running to Keith? I don’t think I’ve ever reported a thread? It was just an opinion my old friend, you know, just thinking out loud. Maybe don’t take things quite so seriously, but apologies if I rattled you, I wasn’t even trying. x |
Apology accepted. Just think a little more rationally next time and don’t let immediate emotions rule your reactions on here. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:03 - Nov 18 with 1134 views | Gwyn737 |
It's absolutely right that investigations around this election are carried out thoroughly, outcomes are acted upon and processes improved.
Whether anyone likes it or not, unless resolutions are found the result won't be accepted by many and there'll be a shadow over future elections.
It's true I don't like the way Trump is going about it, but if the outcome is that elections are democratically stronger then that's a good thing.
As far as I can see there's four possible outcomes when the dust settles.
1. Voter fraud on an immense scale to the degree that Trump is reelected.
2. Numerous and wide ranging problems are identified that don't alter the result. These problems are rectified
3. There's a significant minority of problems identified. These problems are rectified and Trump's claims look daft
4. Small number of problems that are not nefarious in nature. These problems are rectified and Trump is held to account for making spurious claims.
Any one of these would be 'correct'.
Whichever way you look at it, the cat is out of the bag now and events have to be seen through. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:05 - Nov 18 with 1132 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:03 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
It's absolutely right that investigations around this election are carried out thoroughly, outcomes are acted upon and processes improved.
Whether anyone likes it or not, unless resolutions are found the result won't be accepted by many and there'll be a shadow over future elections.
It's true I don't like the way Trump is going about it, but if the outcome is that elections are democratically stronger then that's a good thing.
As far as I can see there's four possible outcomes when the dust settles.
1. Voter fraud on an immense scale to the degree that Trump is reelected.
2. Numerous and wide ranging problems are identified that don't alter the result. These problems are rectified
3. There's a significant minority of problems identified. These problems are rectified and Trump's claims look daft
4. Small number of problems that are not nefarious in nature. These problems are rectified and Trump is held to account for making spurious claims.
Any one of these would be 'correct'.
Whichever way you look at it, the cat is out of the bag now and events have to be seen through. |
Agree with every single word.
(Except number 4. Trump can claim whatever he likes, if a judge doesn’t think there is enough evidence then they simply won’t rule in his favour. It’s that simple).
But no matter what anyone says, this spotlight shone on the process shows how open it is to “errors”. If we can send people to Mars, we should be able to conduct an accurate election. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 11:16]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:14 - Nov 18 with 1123 views | trampie |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:03 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
It's absolutely right that investigations around this election are carried out thoroughly, outcomes are acted upon and processes improved.
Whether anyone likes it or not, unless resolutions are found the result won't be accepted by many and there'll be a shadow over future elections.
It's true I don't like the way Trump is going about it, but if the outcome is that elections are democratically stronger then that's a good thing.
As far as I can see there's four possible outcomes when the dust settles.
1. Voter fraud on an immense scale to the degree that Trump is reelected.
2. Numerous and wide ranging problems are identified that don't alter the result. These problems are rectified
3. There's a significant minority of problems identified. These problems are rectified and Trump's claims look daft
4. Small number of problems that are not nefarious in nature. These problems are rectified and Trump is held to account for making spurious claims.
Any one of these would be 'correct'.
Whichever way you look at it, the cat is out of the bag now and events have to be seen through. |
What about all the apparent fraud around the Scottish independence referendum ? |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:17 - Nov 18 with 1120 views | A_Fans_Dad |
A polite question to Groo regarding more votes than voters.
If that statement means what I think it means that there were more votes cast than there are voters on the electorial roll.
If that is the case then as the average presidential election turnout is 70-80% of the eligible electorate, having more votes than voters means that somehow there were over 20%-30% more votes than normal to arrive at 100+%.
Don't you think that more than 100% of possible votes needs investigating completely?
As in validating every single one of those votes? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:23 - Nov 18 with 1113 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:05 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Agree with every single word.
(Except number 4. Trump can claim whatever he likes, if a judge doesn’t think there is enough evidence then they simply won’t rule in his favour. It’s that simple).
But no matter what anyone says, this spotlight shone on the process shows how open it is to “errors”. If we can send people to Mars, we should be able to conduct an accurate election. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 11:16]
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When I say 'held to account', I don't necessarily mean face any charges.
He could be held to account by loss of face or earnings etc. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:26 - Nov 18 with 1110 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:14 - Nov 18 by trampie |
What about all the apparent fraud around the Scottish independence referendum ? |
If it was challenged at the time I'd say the same thing.
Can't see it being possible now. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:28 - Nov 18 with 1106 views | trampie |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:26 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
If it was challenged at the time I'd say the same thing.
Can't see it being possible now. |
It was brought up at the time, videos, articles etc | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:43 - Nov 18 with 1094 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:28 - Nov 18 by trampie |
It was brought up at the time, videos, articles etc |
I don't recall, I'm afraid.
As a coverall I'd say that anything that strengthens democracy is a good thing. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:04 - Nov 18 with 1078 views | trampie |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:43 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
I don't recall, I'm afraid.
As a coverall I'd say that anything that strengthens democracy is a good thing. |
The state broadcaster and mainstream media tried to play it down, no surprise there then as they got the result they wanted even if it was fraudulent. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:21 - Nov 18 with 1067 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:51 - Nov 18 by Groo |
DETROIT – At first, it seemed like a win for President Trump's supporters: The Wayne County Board of Canvassers deadlocked Tuesday night over whether to certify the results of the presidential election in the populous Democratic county, punting the question to a state regulatory board.
In a tweet, Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis called it a “huge win” for the president, who has not conceded the presidential race and who has made false accusations of voter fraud.
But hours later, the board – composed of two Republicans and two Democrats – reversed itself, unanimously agreeing to certify the results and ask the secretary of state to conduct an independent audit. The about-face left Democrats and voting rights advocates cheering. |
Do you know why the members of the board changed their minds?
Outright intimidation.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MonicaPalmer?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:35 - Nov 18 with 1053 views | A_Fans_Dad |
If this is true then can Biden be President?
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