| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 234984 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:37 - Nov 18 with 1383 views | trampie |
Well well well, I briefly looked yesterday for the Scottish referendum videos that were up on YouTube showing yes votes been put on no vote piles etc (I viewed different videos at the counts at the time) didn't find them, that's odd I thought but spent next to no time looking, now looking at the Guardian article about the accusations of fraud in the Scottish referendum their links to the videos on there has gone as well, well well well.
MI5 said to be involved, postal ballot rigging, count rigging all said to be going on, the state wasn't going to just allow Scotland to go is what some people thought. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:42 - Nov 18 with 1379 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:35 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
If this is true then can Biden be President?
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I highly doubt it’s true, but he admitted to bribing the Ukraine live on TV so it “should” be true, but unfortunately the Ukraine needs Biden and Biden needs the Ukraine.
They would both be worse off financially without eachother. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:47 - Nov 18 with 1378 views | Gwyn737 |
If there was wrongdoing then you've got to put the blame at the door of the Scottish nationalists, haven't you? They could have challenged at the time.
I can understand why they conceded though - you couldn't really say it was close.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results
The biggest mistake they made was to call it a once in a generation vote. They've tied their hands a bit, haven't they? |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:03 - Nov 18 with 1362 views | trampie |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:47 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
If there was wrongdoing then you've got to put the blame at the door of the Scottish nationalists, haven't you? They could have challenged at the time.
I can understand why they conceded though - you couldn't really say it was close.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results
The biggest mistake they made was to call it a once in a generation vote. They've tied their hands a bit, haven't they? |
It's been a good loser and been brought up right.
The issue was the ones running the independence campaign didn't initially think they were going to win when they set out, they thought they were laying the groundwork for a future referendum, making the case, putting the info out there, testing the water, seeing what they did right and seeing what they did wrong, seeing what parts the Scottish public liked and seeing what parts the Scottish public didn't like and then another 25 years win a referendum at the second time of asking and get independence.
They ones running the independence campaign sh*t themselves with only weeks to go when it looked like they had a chance to win, I think a poll had them winning not long before polling day, the UK state also simultaneously also sh*t themselves because they also thought bloody hell the UK state is going to breakup, both sides weren't expecting YES to win.
Then there was all sorts going on, some say MI5 involvement, greater threats as regards to the pound, the Queen, Europe etc and then what many said was ballot rigging, some say YES actually won the vote.
Was YES ready for independence, I don't think so, they will be next time and of course as regards next time Scotland are being forced out of Europe against their wishes and they keep on voting SNP in big numbers, they might get their vote 10 years after the first one and 25 years after. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 15:54]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:24 - Nov 18 with 1343 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:03 - Nov 18 by trampie |
It's been a good loser and been brought up right.
The issue was the ones running the independence campaign didn't initially think they were going to win when they set out, they thought they were laying the groundwork for a future referendum, making the case, putting the info out there, testing the water, seeing what they did right and seeing what they did wrong, seeing what parts the Scottish public liked and seeing what parts the Scottish public didn't like and then another 25 years win a referendum at the second time of asking and get independence.
They ones running the independence campaign sh*t themselves with only weeks to go when it looked like they had a chance to win, I think a poll had them winning not long before polling day, the UK state also simultaneously also sh*t themselves because they also thought bloody hell the UK state is going to breakup, both sides weren't expecting YES to win.
Then there was all sorts going on, some say MI5 involvement, greater threats as regards to the pound, the Queen, Europe etc and then what many said was ballot rigging, some say YES actually won the vote.
Was YES ready for independence, I don't think so, they will be next time and of course as regards next time Scotland are being forced out of Europe against their wishes and they keep on voting SNP in big numbers, they might get their vote 10 years after the first one and 25 years after. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 15:54]
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I agree, that's a stronger argument. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:18 - Nov 18 with 1304 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:03 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
It's absolutely right that investigations around this election are carried out thoroughly, outcomes are acted upon and processes improved.
Whether anyone likes it or not, unless resolutions are found the result won't be accepted by many and there'll be a shadow over future elections.
It's true I don't like the way Trump is going about it, but if the outcome is that elections are democratically stronger then that's a good thing.
As far as I can see there's four possible outcomes when the dust settles.
1. Voter fraud on an immense scale to the degree that Trump is reelected.
2. Numerous and wide ranging problems are identified that don't alter the result. These problems are rectified
3. There's a significant minority of problems identified. These problems are rectified and Trump's claims look daft
4. Small number of problems that are not nefarious in nature. These problems are rectified and Trump is held to account for making spurious claims.
Any one of these would be 'correct'.
Whichever way you look at it, the cat is out of the bag now and events have to be seen through. |
There is no precedent for what you are suggestion. Trump is being a crybaby like his supporters. He’s made the GOP a laughing stock. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:31 - Nov 18 with 1295 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:18 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
There is no precedent for what you are suggestion. Trump is being a crybaby like his supporters. He’s made the GOP a laughing stock. |
You're right that there is no precedent but as Trump has made such a fuss over it, it's impossible to just ignore him.
It's got to play out. If it's proved to be a load of tosh then that's a good thing for a myriad of reasons. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:45 - Nov 18 with 1286 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:18 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
There is no precedent for what you are suggestion. Trump is being a crybaby like his supporters. He’s made the GOP a laughing stock. |
What do you mean there is no precedent for this, do you know your American Presidential campaign history that well? | | | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:10 - Nov 18 with 1268 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:45 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
What do you mean there is no precedent for this, do you know your American Presidential campaign history that well? |
Show me where an out voted sitting president has refused to transfer power and leave office citing voter fraud without a shred of evidence. Show me that and we’ll discuss precedent.
If you can’t, which we both know you can’t, wrap up and quit with all the hot air. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:23 - Nov 18 with 1254 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:31 - Nov 18 by Gwyn737 |
You're right that there is no precedent but as Trump has made such a fuss over it, it's impossible to just ignore him.
It's got to play out. If it's proved to be a load of tosh then that's a good thing for a myriad of reasons. |
I suspect the GOP would like to see the back of him but he has a hold over them. He gets more votes than any of their “normal” candidates would and if he wants to run in 24 they have a huge problem. He is their best chance of winning and if they ditched him and he ran as an independent he’d split their vote.
Of course, he has many issues to resolve before 24 if he wants to run. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 18:20 - Nov 18 with 1218 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:10 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
Show me where an out voted sitting president has refused to transfer power and leave office citing voter fraud without a shred of evidence. Show me that and we’ll discuss precedent.
If you can’t, which we both know you can’t, wrap up and quit with all the hot air. |
Sorry, first of all there is no proof that the sitting President has been legally outvoted.
And until he is, he is well within his rights to not concede.
When all legal avenues have been exhausted you can then say that he is refusing to transfer power if that were to happen.
Challenges and recounts are not new and the last one (3 counts) was Al Gore in 2000.
Even back in 1877 there was a disputed election between Rutherford B Hayes & Samual J Tilden that only ended by a compromise. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:59 - Nov 18 with 1195 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 18:20 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, first of all there is no proof that the sitting President has been legally outvoted.
And until he is, he is well within his rights to not concede.
When all legal avenues have been exhausted you can then say that he is refusing to transfer power if that were to happen.
Challenges and recounts are not new and the last one (3 counts) was Al Gore in 2000.
Even back in 1877 there was a disputed election between Rutherford B Hayes & Samual J Tilden that only ended by a compromise. |
I was waiting for you to mention Gore. That one was arguably legitimately too close to call, this one is a landslide in favour of Biden, no comparison to Bush/Gore. By your logic every election should be settled in court. Complete lunacy of course, especially from one of the most vocal Brexiteers on here. You’ve had your pants pulled down so many times you may as well stay permanently bent over. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:42 - Nov 18 with 1183 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:59 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
I was waiting for you to mention Gore. That one was arguably legitimately too close to call, this one is a landslide in favour of Biden, no comparison to Bush/Gore. By your logic every election should be settled in court. Complete lunacy of course, especially from one of the most vocal Brexiteers on here. You’ve had your pants pulled down so many times you may as well stay permanently bent over. |
Keith needs to knock this on the head.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:46 - Nov 18 with 1178 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 16:28 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Shock horror I went to bed as it was late.
You've been promoting bollocks claiming mass voter fraud and you used the claims of valid affidavits to help substantiate the "fraud" angle. I've already pointed out that a judge has thrown out affidavits because the people who submitted them had no clue how electios work as they didn't attend the training session
All the way through this thread I've either given specifics or I've linked to articles with direct quotes or they provide relevant specifics... and you prefferred to put up Tweets in response or make dubious assertions.
And you had the gall to to call me a moron. |
Ah ok great.
Can you show me where I have claimed mass voter fraud?
Can you also show me where I have claimed mass affidavits will show the voter fraud?
Because in reality DJack, all you have is me talking about both those issues factually and deciding that you will make your own padding to them in order to suit what narrative you wish to push.
You know, what lefties do when they get stuck... or wish they are able to make current news fit.
You lied. Got caught out. Own it. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:52 - Nov 18 with 1174 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:59 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
I was waiting for you to mention Gore. That one was arguably legitimately too close to call, this one is a landslide in favour of Biden, no comparison to Bush/Gore. By your logic every election should be settled in court. Complete lunacy of course, especially from one of the most vocal Brexiteers on here. You’ve had your pants pulled down so many times you may as well stay permanently bent over. |
Sorry you are like a corrupt cop that wants someone convicted before all the evidence is in and can't be bothered to go and find any.
Your opinion and that of the Democrats and their tame mass media and all the heads of states all over the world have no say in the matter until due process has been completed.
When it is complete decisions will have to be made, but not until then. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:40 - Nov 18 with 1141 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:42 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Keith needs to knock this on the head.
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Definitely. Try taking a couple of days off then read this with a clear head. Serious discussion mind.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:42 - Nov 18 with 1138 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:52 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry you are like a corrupt cop that wants someone convicted before all the evidence is in and can't be bothered to go and find any.
Your opinion and that of the Democrats and their tame mass media and all the heads of states all over the world have no say in the matter until due process has been completed.
When it is complete decisions will have to be made, but not until then. |
Why this election and not every other then?
Oh yeah, your boy lost. Get over it. Democracy has spoken. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:02 - Nov 18 with 1123 views | AndyCole |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:42 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Keith needs to knock this on the head.
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He does. The guy needs to finally scratch that irksome Itch of his.
He squarely falls into the type that "...need an enemy, and when the people they perceive as enemies are able to display a more competent mindset.......etc"
A contrarian who is unable to quench his contrarian itches elsewhere. | |
| Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:04 - Nov 18 with 1121 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:40 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
Definitely. Try taking a couple of days off then read this with a clear head. Serious discussion mind.
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Fantastic thread, the best I have ever seen on here in the many years I have read it.
I assume a lot of it goes over your head maybe? No shame in that.
But glad you have now decided to pluck up the courage to dip your toe in and swallow your pride after your earlier emotional outburst. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:06 - Nov 18 with 1120 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:42 - Nov 18 by ItchySphincter |
Why this election and not every other then?
Oh yeah, your boy lost. Get over it. Democracy has spoken. |
And the mask slips. The root of the issue right here, “orange man won’t ignore the irregularities and concede, sniff”.
Once democracy has been proven by court decision, he will concede - and not a second before. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:13 - Nov 18 with 1111 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:02 - Nov 18 by AndyCole |
He does. The guy needs to finally scratch that irksome Itch of his.
He squarely falls into the type that "...need an enemy, and when the people they perceive as enemies are able to display a more competent mindset.......etc"
A contrarian who is unable to quench his contrarian itches elsewhere. |
Itch is fine, he’s been the same for years. Just have to know how to take him.
Duel personality that is constantly jockeying for position. 70% of the time he tries to come across as impartial even though struggles to make any pertinent points which does tend to frustrate him, then 30% of the time the other half overpowers him and turns into a snarling emotional wreck - usually when that frustration of failing to make a point or seeing someone else make one comes to a head.
Tends to happen every other week or so where he will seek out confrontation. I do enjoy those occasions. Enjoy it while you can as the other part of his personality will take back over soon once he has let of some steam... until the next time he believes one of his foes is in a clear ascendancy.
Wouldn’t be the same without him.  | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:32 - Nov 18 with 1102 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:46 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ah ok great.
Can you show me where I have claimed mass voter fraud?
Can you also show me where I have claimed mass affidavits will show the voter fraud?
Because in reality DJack, all you have is me talking about both those issues factually and deciding that you will make your own padding to them in order to suit what narrative you wish to push.
You know, what lefties do when they get stuck... or wish they are able to make current news fit.
You lied. Got caught out. Own it. |
My bad...Large scale would have been more accurate than "mass" but as you said " I found a tonne and I’m not even looking."...
Also from you...
"Especially when you add in the high chance of voter fraud and vote harvesting from them which is being seen and documented as we speak. "
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"I think Biden wins now though unfortunately. Too much media and tech interference added with the universal mail in voting and the voting fraud already evidenced, it’s going to be an uphill battle."
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"Add in Democratic voter fraud and the unreliability of postal voting and we have the most inaccurate and undemocratic election... certainly in modern American history. "
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"We have evidence of fraudulent activity."
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"We know of thousands of dead people that have requested and submitted votes. That’s fraudulent too. "
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"This is what Trump was genuinely concerned about. Ballots just mysteriously appearing.
No doubt we will see the same in Pennsylvania even though he has a 700k lead."
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"We have had announcements that X amount of votes remained to be counted, followed by another announcement a couple of hours later that X amount of votes + 400,000 extra remained to be counted.
This is fraud.
There is nothing they won't stoop to. "
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"by Groo
"Team of independent, international election observers say they found zero evidence of fraud or voter manipulation, as Trump files a slew of lawsuits"
Dr_P
"I found a tonne and I’m not even looking. "
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"We have seen that in Minnesota where Democrat gangs were ballot harvesting from the elderly and from immigrant homes."
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"But these things take time, there are tens of thousands of emails and also witness statements." |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:38 - Nov 18 with 1093 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:32 - Nov 18 by DJack |
My bad...Large scale would have been more accurate than "mass" but as you said " I found a tonne and I’m not even looking."...
Also from you...
"Especially when you add in the high chance of voter fraud and vote harvesting from them which is being seen and documented as we speak. "
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"I think Biden wins now though unfortunately. Too much media and tech interference added with the universal mail in voting and the voting fraud already evidenced, it’s going to be an uphill battle."
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"Add in Democratic voter fraud and the unreliability of postal voting and we have the most inaccurate and undemocratic election... certainly in modern American history. "
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"We have evidence of fraudulent activity."
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"We know of thousands of dead people that have requested and submitted votes. That’s fraudulent too. "
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"This is what Trump was genuinely concerned about. Ballots just mysteriously appearing.
No doubt we will see the same in Pennsylvania even though he has a 700k lead."
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"We have had announcements that X amount of votes remained to be counted, followed by another announcement a couple of hours later that X amount of votes + 400,000 extra remained to be counted.
This is fraud.
There is nothing they won't stoop to. "
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"by Groo
"Team of independent, international election observers say they found zero evidence of fraud or voter manipulation, as Trump files a slew of lawsuits"
Dr_P
"I found a tonne and I’m not even looking. "
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"We have seen that in Minnesota where Democrat gangs were ballot harvesting from the elderly and from immigrant homes."
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"But these things take time, there are tens of thousands of emails and also witness statements." |
You are doing the same again DJack.
You are quoting things that aren’t fulfilling what you are claiming. You are looking for any comment that contains the word “fraud” or “affidavits” and suggesting they are supporting your wild claims.
I stand by every single statement you have quoted above. Every single one, because they are factual.
So now, I ask again for specifics.
Let’s go through each quote one by one - which factual statement are you disputing and why?
Currently you are being intentionally vague because you have been caught out lying.
I am afraid you don’t get away with that when in a discussion with me, I see through it.
Over to you... | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:51 - Nov 18 with 1075 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The “specifics Kryptonite” works it’s magic again.
Has anyone seen my tumbleweed picture?
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