| Time to back England 18:59 - Jun 26 with 6522 views | 73__73 |
As the only British side left in the competition ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ‡¬ðŸ‡§ |  |
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| Time to back England on 21:35 - Jun 27 with 798 views | trampie |
| Time to back England on 21:30 - Jun 27 by jack247 |
Why does anybody care whether other posters want England to win or lose? |
As a generalisation indeed, England is a foreign country with different values. |  |
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| Time to back England on 21:39 - Jun 27 with 785 views | jack247 |
| Time to back England on 21:35 - Jun 27 by trampie |
As a generalisation indeed, England is a foreign country with different values. |
That’s not the point, I want them to lose too. I just don’t see why anyone is bothered if other people are supporting them or wanting them out. | | | |
| Time to back England on 21:41 - Jun 27 with 773 views | Gwyn737 |
| Time to back England on 21:35 - Jun 27 by trampie |
As a generalisation indeed, England is a foreign country with different values. |
Both ridiculous and childish.
What values are different? | | | |
| Time to back England on 21:41 - Jun 27 with 771 views | trampie |
| Time to back England on 21:39 - Jun 27 by jack247 |
That’s not the point, I want them to lose too. I just don’t see why anyone is bothered if other people are supporting them or wanting them out. |
Treat them like any other foreign team butt, with indifference. | |
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| Time to back England on 21:43 - Jun 27 with 759 views | onehunglow |
| Time to back England on 21:35 - Jun 27 by trampie |
As a generalisation indeed, England is a foreign country with different values. |
As a generaliation,reading what you post the Welsh are 50 yrs behind.
Here is west Wirral,we too have lectric and running water.We use cutlery too. | |
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| Time to back England on 21:44 - Jun 27 with 759 views | jack247 |
| Time to back England on 21:41 - Jun 27 by trampie |
Treat them like any other foreign team butt, with indifference. |
I view them the same way as I view Cardiff domestically. The point I’m trying to make, is if the next man wants them to win the Euros, good for him | | | |
| Time to back England on 21:46 - Jun 27 with 751 views | lifelong |
| Time to back England on 19:28 - Jun 27 by onehunglow |
and the same when we read of "filthy,thieving ,drug dealing scum scousers"
Innit. |
Of course, we can’t mention the scousers, you’ve only had that because of the crap you have been talking about Wales and Swansea over the years, but like the typical bully you are you just can’t take it. Off you go with your pm’s and complaints to the moderators…. Sad case. |  | | |
| Time to back England on 21:46 - Jun 27 with 753 views | Catullus |
| Time to back England on 21:30 - Jun 27 by jack247 |
Why does anybody care whether other posters want England to win or lose? |
That is the Million pound question. Why indeed? A cynic might wonder if there was an agenda or genuine xenophobia? | |
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| Time to back England on 21:47 - Jun 27 with 751 views | trampie |
| Time to back England on 21:41 - Jun 27 by Gwyn737 |
Both ridiculous and childish.
What values are different? |
It was said in the old days that the Welsh fight for family, friends, culture and that the English fight for land and possessions.
In more recent times Wales voted Liberal and not Tory and then after the creation of the Labour party they voted Labour and not Tory.
Different mind set, values, laws of Hywel Dda, sharing, equality as opposed to survival of the fittest, son and heir and all that. | |
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| Time to back England on 21:51 - Jun 27 with 740 views | jack247 |
| Time to back England on 21:46 - Jun 27 by Catullus |
That is the Million pound question. Why indeed? A cynic might wonder if there was an agenda or genuine xenophobia? |
Both ways to be fair. Some of those who are supporting them seem to be pretty riled by those who aren’t. | | | |
| Time to back England on 21:52 - Jun 27 with 738 views | Gwyn737 |
| Time to back England on 21:47 - Jun 27 by trampie |
It was said in the old days that the Welsh fight for family, friends, culture and that the English fight for land and possessions.
In more recent times Wales voted Liberal and not Tory and then after the creation of the Labour party they voted Labour and not Tory.
Different mind set, values, laws of Hywel Dda, sharing, equality as opposed to survival of the fittest, son and heir and all that. |
Changing though isn’t it? And that’s to my regret.
You can’t see it can you? I’m exactly the type of person you should should be targeting to push for independence.
Instead, your childish arguments have almost made me defend the Tories tonight. I’ll have to go and have a shower. I feel dirty. | | | |
| Time to back England on 21:59 - Jun 27 with 729 views | trampie |
| Time to back England on 21:52 - Jun 27 by Gwyn737 |
Changing though isn’t it? And that’s to my regret.
You can’t see it can you? I’m exactly the type of person you should should be targeting to push for independence.
Instead, your childish arguments have almost made me defend the Tories tonight. I’ll have to go and have a shower. I feel dirty. |
Gwyn I have nothing to do with politics, I'm just a voter, you vote for who you want. | |
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| Time to back England on 22:16 - Jun 27 with 720 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to back England on 19:48 - Jun 27 by Gwyn737 |
It’s not possible as I don’t fit your definition of the Welsh ‘race’ so it could never happen to me.
However my example I asked you about happens at every swans game. Which members of those clubs should be racially offended? |
If I accused English people as abusers of farm animals I would expect English people to be offended. If a Welshman abused an English man and family with devient abuse for being English I would expect the SWP to arrest him and charge him. It just the rght and proper thing to do. If the reverse happens there is no difference, If the Football fan was of Pakistani race and a Welsh fan made abusive comments about his race I would expect the SWP to come down hard on him. Being Welsh should be not a legal free hit for the English far right racsist.
Remember I am not simply talking about chanting but also up close and personal after or before the game or even in everyday life. I have to assume if you find sheep banter acceptable you must find monkey and banana banter funny as well. Other people talk about zero tolerance including the club. They have to walk the walk to be taken seriously. |  |
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| Time to back England on 22:25 - Jun 27 with 710 views | Boundy |
| Time to back England on 21:47 - Jun 27 by trampie |
It was said in the old days that the Welsh fight for family, friends, culture and that the English fight for land and possessions.
In more recent times Wales voted Liberal and not Tory and then after the creation of the Labour party they voted Labour and not Tory.
Different mind set, values, laws of Hywel Dda, sharing, equality as opposed to survival of the fittest, son and heir and all that. |
You have led sheltered life or one through books | |
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| Time to back England on 22:27 - Jun 27 with 710 views | jack_lord |
| Time to back England on 17:07 - Jun 27 by KeithHaynes |
Royal Welch mascot my friend.
Gwell Angau na Chywilydd. |
It makes so much sense when you say it like that. |  |
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| Time to back England on 22:32 - Jun 27 with 701 views | trampie |
| Time to back England on 22:25 - Jun 27 by Boundy |
You have led sheltered life or one through books |
Thinking about it there would be a lot to be said for leading a sheltered life, but that is not the case for me. | |
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| Time to back England on 22:32 - Jun 27 with 701 views | Gwyn737 |
| Time to back England on 22:16 - Jun 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If I accused English people as abusers of farm animals I would expect English people to be offended. If a Welshman abused an English man and family with devient abuse for being English I would expect the SWP to arrest him and charge him. It just the rght and proper thing to do. If the reverse happens there is no difference, If the Football fan was of Pakistani race and a Welsh fan made abusive comments about his race I would expect the SWP to come down hard on him. Being Welsh should be not a legal free hit for the English far right racsist.
Remember I am not simply talking about chanting but also up close and personal after or before the game or even in everyday life. I have to assume if you find sheep banter acceptable you must find monkey and banana banter funny as well. Other people talk about zero tolerance including the club. They have to walk the walk to be taken seriously. |
You assume wrongly.
I believe that sheep chants and monkey chants are not in the same ball park.
You’ve been clear that Welsh is a Celtic race (ginger etc.) so what is the English race?
Can that person of Asian decent be racially abused for being English, or do you not accept the that they are English because they’re of Pakistani decent?
I get the feeling you think I’m anti Welsh, in fact it the polar opposite. I’m so comfortable in my own skin and have gained from my nationality (not race) that I feel lucky to come from where I come from.
And I want England to lose 16 - 0 on Tuesday. | | | |
| Time to back England on 00:40 - Jun 28 with 663 views | DJack |
| Time to back England on 22:32 - Jun 27 by Gwyn737 |
You assume wrongly.
I believe that sheep chants and monkey chants are not in the same ball park.
You’ve been clear that Welsh is a Celtic race (ginger etc.) so what is the English race?
Can that person of Asian decent be racially abused for being English, or do you not accept the that they are English because they’re of Pakistani decent?
I get the feeling you think I’m anti Welsh, in fact it the polar opposite. I’m so comfortable in my own skin and have gained from my nationality (not race) that I feel lucky to come from where I come from.
And I want England to lose 16 - 0 on Tuesday. |
"And I want England to lose 16 - 0 on Tuesday. "
What about the second half?  |  |
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| Time to back England on 05:09 - Jun 28 with 636 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Time to back England on 22:16 - Jun 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If I accused English people as abusers of farm animals I would expect English people to be offended. If a Welshman abused an English man and family with devient abuse for being English I would expect the SWP to arrest him and charge him. It just the rght and proper thing to do. If the reverse happens there is no difference, If the Football fan was of Pakistani race and a Welsh fan made abusive comments about his race I would expect the SWP to come down hard on him. Being Welsh should be not a legal free hit for the English far right racsist.
Remember I am not simply talking about chanting but also up close and personal after or before the game or even in everyday life. I have to assume if you find sheep banter acceptable you must find monkey and banana banter funny as well. Other people talk about zero tolerance including the club. They have to walk the walk to be taken seriously. |
A rather laughable post when considering you posted a discriminatory comment a few hours earlier towards all English people.
"The English do not react well to outstanding success"
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/273465/4209732/tonight%
That, to me, sounds like you're grouping all people of one race together and making a derogatory, prejudiced comment about them collectively. Where's that zero tolerance you're demanding from everyone else? [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 5:11]
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| Time to back England on 07:11 - Jun 28 with 617 views | Catullus |
| Time to back England on 21:41 - Jun 27 by trampie |
Treat them like any other foreign team butt, with indifference. |
Treating them with indifference? That's hardly what you do, indifference is when you don't care one way or the other. You definitely seem to care, in a negative way.
I've travelled a bit, nowhere near as much as some but I've been to several countries and very many people share the same basic values, the English are much more like us than unlike. | |
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| Time to back England on 07:20 - Jun 28 with 614 views | Catullus |
| Time to back England on 21:47 - Jun 27 by trampie |
It was said in the old days that the Welsh fight for family, friends, culture and that the English fight for land and possessions.
In more recent times Wales voted Liberal and not Tory and then after the creation of the Labour party they voted Labour and not Tory.
Different mind set, values, laws of Hywel Dda, sharing, equality as opposed to survival of the fittest, son and heir and all that. |
Do you really believe that in the old days the Welsh didn't fight for land and possessions? When the Anglo- Saxons were coming together as England. Wales was still a tribal land, we were fighting amongst ourselves for land, possessions and power.
Hywel Dda had to fight to get power aand even at his peak didn't control all of Wales. You do know Hywel Dda accepted joint rule of part of Wales with Aethelstan (of England) and when Hywel died Wales was split again?
You Nats seem to think Wales was a perfect, lovey dovey place where we all looked out for each other and cared about each other. Wales was a nasty, violent place. Hywel Dda's reign was violent. | |
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| Time to back England on 09:37 - Jun 28 with 595 views | onehunglow |
| Time to back England on 05:09 - Jun 28 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
A rather laughable post when considering you posted a discriminatory comment a few hours earlier towards all English people.
"The English do not react well to outstanding success"
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/273465/4209732/tonight%
That, to me, sounds like you're grouping all people of one race together and making a derogatory, prejudiced comment about them collectively. Where's that zero tolerance you're demanding from everyone else? [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 5:11]
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You been shafted there res. He gotcha | |
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| Time to back England on 09:38 - Jun 28 with 593 views | onehunglow |
| Time to back England on 07:20 - Jun 28 by Catullus |
Do you really believe that in the old days the Welsh didn't fight for land and possessions? When the Anglo- Saxons were coming together as England. Wales was still a tribal land, we were fighting amongst ourselves for land, possessions and power.
Hywel Dda had to fight to get power aand even at his peak didn't control all of Wales. You do know Hywel Dda accepted joint rule of part of Wales with Aethelstan (of England) and when Hywel died Wales was split again?
You Nats seem to think Wales was a perfect, lovey dovey place where we all looked out for each other and cared about each other. Wales was a nasty, violent place. Hywel Dda's reign was violent. |
How many we talking about now. 600 . .?
Great innit.
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| Time to back England on 09:40 - Jun 28 with 593 views | Lohengrin |
| Time to back England on 07:46 - Jun 27 by Kilkennyjack |
I think England made bold statement on the 100 years of tradition that was the Home International Championships, by throwing it in the bin.
At that point Wales became no more important to then than Denmark, Belgium, or Spain.
Wales were holding them back see.
So no special relationship, it meant nothing to them.
And its been the making of Wales in a football sense.
I hope you commented on that Loh. |
Nobody misses the old Home Championship more than me, Killy. As I’ve mentioned on here before I was up at Wembley in ‘77 to see Wales win, I was there again in ‘79 to see what was virtually a Swans team get a draw.
Great memories, but the fact is that by ‘84 a century old competition looked to be on its last legs. The attendance for the Wales game up at Wembley the year before barely scraped 20,000; in ‘84 itself barely 14. It wasn’t just England looking to bail either, the Scottish FA also announced they were pulling out.
Don’t forget these were the years of peak Thatcherism when the worth of everything was weighed in financial profit and these matches were by then costing more to stage than they were generating. There were big issues around safety at Windsor Park in the early to mid ‘80s as Northern Ireland descended into chaos, that shouldn’t be forgotten. Factor in too the reluctance of First Division managers to release players mid-season to participate in what were full-blooded encounters and the writing was on the wall. |  |
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