| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 17:58 - Jan 20 with 2144 views | Chief |
I took the 'someone' to mean Celtic. If it was the Swans, he'd have said 'we'.
And in the Walesonline article Martin stated that Wolf dropped wages to come and the signing was within budget, so how expensive could it have been?
But if there is money available, are you going to tell us on what terms the club has secured it, following the mysterious references in the O'Reilly article?
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:05 - Jan 20 with 2108 views | Thornburyswan |
Good article Keith - my narrative says we have money but it’s very tight & anyone incoming needs to fit within our wages budget & structure to be sustainable & not immediately p**s off existing players.
I suspect with O’Riley we had enough to do a deal & either believed or knew that MK Dons would agree to it but then other teams came to the table with either bigger fee or wages (or both) - Celtic being the obvious one but could just as easily been a Championship rival.
RM knew & understood this so whilst disappointed is not kicking off. |  | | |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:07 - Jan 20 with 2065 views | onehunglow |
Woe betide anyone that responds to this thread a they will be pilloried.
You are optimistic Keith.
Others are not.
Such is life itself.
Would you really,in truth,ban any negativity on this site even if it is not couched in hate speech.
I'll tell you what concerns me;people having a narrative that sees them belittle anyone at all that doesnt see thing as they do. If Martin fails to live up to your expectations,then teardrops will fall.
If you have a site that has all agreeing with each other,all positive,all full of love and hope and sugar candy kisses,you have a mutual admiration society.
We are still getting personal attacks on some posters .
Finally,being pessimistic or negative is not a case for eternal damnation no more than "positive " script is. Never ever dismiss people who you find pessimistic or down beat ;they are not necessarily bad people and never assume optimistic people are angelic .
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:28 - Jan 20 with 2040 views | AndyCole |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:05 - Jan 20 by Thornburyswan |
Good article Keith - my narrative says we have money but it’s very tight & anyone incoming needs to fit within our wages budget & structure to be sustainable & not immediately p**s off existing players.
I suspect with O’Riley we had enough to do a deal & either believed or knew that MK Dons would agree to it but then other teams came to the table with either bigger fee or wages (or both) - Celtic being the obvious one but could just as easily been a Championship rival.
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Well said Thorny. Jake S is a proper fan, his visit was a breath of fresh air apparently, and he has deep enough pockets.
I fully expect Martin to get his Darling.
Concur with the OP - Some proper oddballs on Twitwitter and other websites, spouting all sorts of jealous nonsense, an embarrassment to proper Swans fans.
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:35 - Jan 20 with 2017 views | magicdaps10 |
Think there is one signing that will cost around a million and I wouldnt be Suprised its Darling.
Looks like they played hardball with O'Reilly and were prepared to go the distance until the last day, would ukd suspect a lot of work had gone into chipping away at the lad.... Looks like Celtic came in and the plan went out the window.
I would imagine the same thing is going on with Darling, could go the same way as O'Reilly, we shall see.
Only my thoughts on it, I would prefer for us to go for Michael Hector at Fulham myself, out of contract in the summer so would certainly be available with in transfer fee budget, wages not so sure. |  |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:43 - Jan 20 with 1981 views | max936 |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:35 - Jan 20 by magicdaps10 |
Think there is one signing that will cost around a million and I wouldnt be Suprised its Darling.
Looks like they played hardball with O'Reilly and were prepared to go the distance until the last day, would ukd suspect a lot of work had gone into chipping away at the lad.... Looks like Celtic came in and the plan went out the window.
I would imagine the same thing is going on with Darling, could go the same way as O'Reilly, we shall see.
Only my thoughts on it, I would prefer for us to go for Michael Hector at Fulham myself, out of contract in the summer so would certainly be available with in transfer fee budget, wages not so sure. |
"Only my thoughts on it, I would prefer for us to go for Michael Hector at Fulham myself, out of contract in the summer so would certainly be available with in transfer fee budget, wages not so sure."
Does Martin fancy him or even looked at him for that matter, we've no idea, but he's got to have a Plan B surely  |  |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:50 - Jan 20 with 1963 views | magicdaps10 |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:43 - Jan 20 by max936 |
"Only my thoughts on it, I would prefer for us to go for Michael Hector at Fulham myself, out of contract in the summer so would certainly be available with in transfer fee budget, wages not so sure."
Does Martin fancy him or even looked at him for that matter, we've no idea, but he's got to have a Plan B surely |
I wouldn't know but I am sure they would have another player in mind, probably 3 or 4 so I would suggest they have a plan B aswell as a C and a D.
I just used Hector as an example as I feel he would suit the system, experienced and with being out of contract in the summer woukd be one that would fall into our budget. | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:51 - Jan 20 with 1959 views | grabsplatter |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:43 - Jan 20 by max936 |
"Only my thoughts on it, I would prefer for us to go for Michael Hector at Fulham myself, out of contract in the summer so would certainly be available with in transfer fee budget, wages not so sure."
Does Martin fancy him or even looked at him for that matter, we've no idea, but he's got to have a Plan B surely |
There's no way Hector's wages at Fulham would be affordable for us I'd have thought - even if he was of interest |  | | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 19:54 - Jan 20 with 1828 views | magicdaps10 |
I knew what you were doing Max, I decided to push through it but as you done it and admitted to doing it through wickedness.....you little scamp. | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:16 - Jan 20 with 1770 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:05 - Jan 20 by Thornburyswan |
Good article Keith - my narrative says we have money but it’s very tight & anyone incoming needs to fit within our wages budget & structure to be sustainable & not immediately p**s off existing players.
I suspect with O’Riley we had enough to do a deal & either believed or knew that MK Dons would agree to it but then other teams came to the table with either bigger fee or wages (or both) - Celtic being the obvious one but could just as easily been a Championship rival.
RM knew & understood this so whilst disappointed is not kicking off. |
Exactly I don’t care where the cash comes from as long as we are legit, if the manager states there’s money or was money then who are any of us to say otherwise ?, |  |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:18 - Jan 20 with 1758 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 18:28 - Jan 20 by AndyCole |
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Well said Thorny. Jake S is a proper fan, his visit was a breath of fresh air apparently, and he has deep enough pockets.
I fully expect Martin to get his Darling.
Concur with the OP - Some proper oddballs on Twitwitter and other websites, spouting all sorts of jealous nonsense, an embarrassment to proper Swans fans.
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Me and Gruff especially take great comfort that even after eighteen months of running this site the few just can’t let go. It’s very sad. No matter where they hide out.
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:28 - Jan 20 with 1722 views | Chief |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:16 - Jan 20 by KeithHaynes |
Exactly I don’t care where the cash comes from as long as we are legit, if the manager states there’s money or was money then who are any of us to say otherwise ?, |
I must say that is a strange stance to take for a fan of the football club.
We should ALL care where the moneys coming from!! | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:33 - Jan 20 with 1720 views | raynor94 |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 17:58 - Jan 20 by Chief |
I took the 'someone' to mean Celtic. If it was the Swans, he'd have said 'we'.
And in the Walesonline article Martin stated that Wolf dropped wages to come and the signing was within budget, so how expensive could it have been?
But if there is money available, are you going to tell us on what terms the club has secured it, following the mysterious references in the O'Reilly article?
Can you elaborate yet? |
Ah give it a break mun, does it matter where the money is coming from, I honestly believe the Americans are running the club the right way.
Hopefully Darling to arrive by the end of the month. |  |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:34 - Jan 20 with 1711 views | Chief |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:33 - Jan 20 by raynor94 |
Ah give it a break mun, does it matter where the money is coming from, I honestly believe the Americans are running the club the right way.
Hopefully Darling to arrive by the end of the month. |
Yes it absolutely does matter where the money's coming from.
If the Americans have given the club money there must be some sort of strings attached.
Keep sticking your head in the sand though. | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:38 - Jan 20 with 1704 views | AndyCole |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:34 - Jan 20 by Chief |
Yes it absolutely does matter where the money's coming from.
If the Americans have given the club money there must be some sort of strings attached.
Keep sticking your head in the sand though. |
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From your initial wider investigations, what are your findings ?
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:42 - Jan 20 with 1686 views | Chief |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:38 - Jan 20 by AndyCole |
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Well the general consensus is that no additional money has been put in by the Americans.
But I'm open to the possibility that there has been, should the author of the article who mentioned it provide further information.
What have you discovered your end? [Post edited 20 Jan 2022 20:51]
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:54 - Jan 20 with 1652 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:42 - Jan 20 by Chief |
Well the general consensus is that no additional money has been put in by the Americans.
But I'm open to the possibility that there has been, should the author of the article who mentioned it provide further information.
What have you discovered your end? [Post edited 20 Jan 2022 20:51]
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I can’t personally chief, as I explained yesterday I’m happy that whatever cash, and I don’t know what, or from where or by whom is available ( there must be some ) Rodon ? Whatever. Or we wouldn’t have at least two million spare for this window if needed. Based on Martin’s statement the money was available for O’Riley and he was in the region of 1.5M, plus Fisher and Christie and with more to come, this doesn’t tell me this is a Skint club, as per the article.
I’m not withholding a great deal, people talk to us all the time as they do with most people, although I’m unsure about other Swans websites. Must be my trusting smile and character. | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:03 - Jan 20 with 1615 views | raynor94 |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:34 - Jan 20 by Chief |
Yes it absolutely does matter where the money's coming from.
If the Americans have given the club money there must be some sort of strings attached.
Keep sticking your head in the sand though. |
I would imagine there are, but I'm more than happy about the way the club is being run by them, long may it continue.
It took years for Blackburn supporters to accept venkys were good owners | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:12 - Jan 20 with 1590 views | Chief |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:54 - Jan 20 by KeithHaynes |
I can’t personally chief, as I explained yesterday I’m happy that whatever cash, and I don’t know what, or from where or by whom is available ( there must be some ) Rodon ? Whatever. Or we wouldn’t have at least two million spare for this window if needed. Based on Martin’s statement the money was available for O’Riley and he was in the region of 1.5M, plus Fisher and Christie and with more to come, this doesn’t tell me this is a Skint club, as per the article.
I’m not withholding a great deal, people talk to us all the time as they do with most people, although I’m unsure about other Swans websites. Must be my trusting smile and character. |
I'm not necessarily saying we are skint, the Rodon money is (or was) evidently there.
But the obvious implication that on top of that more money has been secured by the likes of Silverstein/Americans as per the O'Reilly article is what I'm querying. As well the strange reference to investments and interests.
Those tit bits deserve an article on their own. | |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:16 - Jan 20 with 1569 views | Chief |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:03 - Jan 20 by raynor94 |
I would imagine there are, but I'm more than happy about the way the club is being run by them, long may it continue.
It took years for Blackburn supporters to accept venkys were good owners |
I"d rather know what the terms are in relation to this potential new money rather than living in blissful ignorance.
What I think of their performance as owners to this point is largely irrelevant. I'd still want to know if they were the best owners in the world.
However decisions like this can inform the opinion of them.
But if you're happy to give them carte blanche, good on you. Feel free not to bother posting on threads such as this. [Post edited 20 Jan 2022 21:17]
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:17 - Jan 20 with 1546 views | Dr_Winston |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:54 - Jan 20 by KeithHaynes |
I can’t personally chief, as I explained yesterday I’m happy that whatever cash, and I don’t know what, or from where or by whom is available ( there must be some ) Rodon ? Whatever. Or we wouldn’t have at least two million spare for this window if needed. Based on Martin’s statement the money was available for O’Riley and he was in the region of 1.5M, plus Fisher and Christie and with more to come, this doesn’t tell me this is a Skint club, as per the article.
I’m not withholding a great deal, people talk to us all the time as they do with most people, although I’m unsure about other Swans websites. Must be my trusting smile and character. |
We're far from skint, although we could easily have been so had tough remedial action not been taken in the first couple of years after relegation.
I suspect we've hacked and slashed enough to get into a position where reasonable transfer fees and wages can be considered without putting ourselves at too much risk (given the understanding that standout players are likely to be sold in the event of reasonable offers), although I wouldn't want to see too much "investment" going in without the mooted equity conversion.
Cardiff have been waiting for Tan to do it for years and he still hasn't. |  |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:24 - Jan 20 with 1533 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 20:42 - Jan 20 by Chief |
Well the general consensus is that no additional money has been put in by the Americans.
But I'm open to the possibility that there has been, should the author of the article who mentioned it provide further information.
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What has general concensus got to do with anything? I direct you to the open dialogue where Mr Winter said this. (brackets)
[ Julian pointed out that if the club can sell players for value, they will be sold but will be replaced. This summer there was a need to invest in the team, so we did with Joel Piroe, Michael Obafemi, Flynn Downes etc. Ownership know that there needs to be a contribution, we don’t yet know what that amount will be, because we don’t know whether we will trade in January or in the summer, but there is the ability for them to use the loan note to do so. There will be a blend of ownership contribution and trading.]
We now the loan note was £10m in an all US group then became up to £13m including "other shareholders".
It is reasonable to surmise any new money has gone into this vehicle. Swansea got a former £14m rated footballer from Celtic for free. Celtic have had to pay MK Dons £1.5m which cover a big chunk of Ntcham's contract. I believe the US people have told Martin to get bargains. It is a buyers market as seen with Wolf. 'Fully valued' players are of a lesser interest. All the action will be in the last 2 days and Swansea are ready to pounce for good players available on the cheap like Ntcham. People with 6 months left on their contracts in particular. [Post edited 20 Jan 2022 21:27]
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:25 - Jan 20 with 1530 views | jasper_T |
| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:17 - Jan 20 by Dr_Winston |
We're far from skint, although we could easily have been so had tough remedial action not been taken in the first couple of years after relegation.
I suspect we've hacked and slashed enough to get into a position where reasonable transfer fees and wages can be considered without putting ourselves at too much risk (given the understanding that standout players are likely to be sold in the event of reasonable offers), although I wouldn't want to see too much "investment" going in without the mooted equity conversion.
Cardiff have been waiting for Tan to do it for years and he still hasn't. |
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| Are people making things up to suit their own narrative ? on 21:29 - Jan 20 with 1515 views | grabsplatter |
Yeah, fair enough, I fell for it  | | | |
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