| Cardiff Airport 10:18 - Jan 13 with 47678 views | johnlangy |
I know you're all desperate to use and support our Welsh airport based in RHOOSE.
So here is the list of flights available for your delectation and delight in the coming year.
Ryanair ✈️
4 flights a week to Dublin 🇮🇪
3 flights a week to Malaga 🇪🇸
3 flights a week to Alicante 🇪🇸
1 flight a week to Tenerife 🇪🇸
2 flights a week to Faro 🇵🇹
Vueling ✈️
3 flights a week to Alicante 🇪🇸
2 flights a week to Malaga 🇪🇸
KLM ✈️
3 flights a day to Amsterdam 🇳🇱
Loganair ✈️
6 flights a week to Edinburgh 🏴
Aer Lingus ✈️
Daily flights to Belfast City ☘️
Balkan Holidays ✈️
Saturday flights to Bulgaria 🇧🇬
TUI ✈️
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2 flights a week to Rhodes 🇬🇷
2 flights a week to Malaga 🇪🇸
2 flights a week to Menorca 🇪🇸
2 flights a week to Zante 🇬🇷
2 flights a week to Bulgaria 🇧🇬
2 flights a week to Kos 🇬🇷
1 flight a week to Dubrovnik 🇭🇷
1 flight a week to Kefalonia 🇬🇷
1 flight a week to Reus 🇪🇸
1 fight a week to Crete 🇬🇷
1 flight a week to Gran Canaria 🇪🇸
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| Cardiff Airport on 16:43 - May 16 with 898 views | raynor94 |
If the Sennedd bail out the Airport to the tune of of £208 million again, it works out at £286 for every household in Wales, that can't be fair |  |
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| Cardiff Airport on 16:57 - May 16 with 873 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 16:43 - May 16 by raynor94 |
If the Sennedd bail out the Airport to the tune of of £208 million again, it works out at £286 for every household in Wales, that can't be fair |
I think that figure is over 10 years - at least that’s the intention….
It’s hard to get exact figures, but those who argue against the airport never seem to mention the money it generates (and jobs it supports) that net off the subsidy figure. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:06 - May 16 with 854 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 16:57 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
I think that figure is over 10 years - at least that’s the intention….
It’s hard to get exact figures, but those who argue against the airport never seem to mention the money it generates (and jobs it supports) that net off the subsidy figure. |
Gwyn to put it into perspective the subsidy is actually more than the actual turnover. It just can't be justified. |  | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:24 - May 16 with 830 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:06 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Gwyn to put it into perspective the subsidy is actually more than the actual turnover. It just can't be justified. |
I’m thinking about the wider impact. Don’t take this as gospel but it’s what AI says:
Direct Economic Impact:
Gross Value Added (GVA): Cardiff Airport is estimated to generate over £200 million annually in Gross Value Added for the South Wales region. This represents the value of goods and services produced by the airport and its related activities.
Job Creation: The airport directly supports thousands of jobs in various sectors, including airport operations, airline staff, ground handling, security, retail, and catering.
Wider Employment: When considering indirect and induced impacts (jobs supported by businesses that supply the airport or through spending by airport employees), the total number of supported jobs is even higher. For example, in 2019, the airport reported supporting over 4,000 aviation-related jobs directly and indirectly in the wider area. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:34 - May 16 with 811 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:24 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
I’m thinking about the wider impact. Don’t take this as gospel but it’s what AI says:
Direct Economic Impact:
Gross Value Added (GVA): Cardiff Airport is estimated to generate over £200 million annually in Gross Value Added for the South Wales region. This represents the value of goods and services produced by the airport and its related activities.
Job Creation: The airport directly supports thousands of jobs in various sectors, including airport operations, airline staff, ground handling, security, retail, and catering.
Wider Employment: When considering indirect and induced impacts (jobs supported by businesses that supply the airport or through spending by airport employees), the total number of supported jobs is even higher. For example, in 2019, the airport reported supporting over 4,000 aviation-related jobs directly and indirectly in the wider area. |
You have to question the figures when the airport averages 10 departures a day and some of those are small short UK flights with smaller planes. On the rare occasions I've flown from Cardiff it's like a ghost town with virtually no staff. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:51 - May 16 with 774 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:34 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
You have to question the figures when the airport averages 10 departures a day and some of those are small short UK flights with smaller planes. On the rare occasions I've flown from Cardiff it's like a ghost town with virtually no staff. |
As I said, I’d be careful with those figures too. Apparently over 4000 jobs locally are down to the aviation industry.
Still, my point is that there’s a load of netting off to be done what means the total and per household figures based on just the subsidy aren’t accurate. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:57 - May 16 with 757 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:51 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
As I said, I’d be careful with those figures too. Apparently over 4000 jobs locally are down to the aviation industry.
Still, my point is that there’s a load of netting off to be done what means the total and per household figures based on just the subsidy aren’t accurate. |
Last time I flew from Cardiff I had a 4 hour delay. TUI emailed everyone with a meal voucher, there was not enough food in the food outlet to provide all of us with anything to eat. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 18:48 - May 16 with 716 views | raynor94 |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:51 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
As I said, I’d be careful with those figures too. Apparently over 4000 jobs locally are down to the aviation industry.
Still, my point is that there’s a load of netting off to be done what means the total and per household figures based on just the subsidy aren’t accurate. |
Why do say you say £286 for every household isn't accurate, it was widely reported last week, even Wales online printed it | |
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| Cardiff Airport on 19:33 - May 16 with 679 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 18:48 - May 16 by raynor94 |
Why do say you say £286 for every household isn't accurate, it was widely reported last week, even Wales online printed it |
Because that assumes that absolutely no money comes back in. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 19:49 - May 16 with 649 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 19:33 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
Because that assumes that absolutely no money comes back in. |
The only time subsidy outstrips turnover normally is in the case of a charity, it's unjustifiable. Yes money comes back in but not enough. The whole business model needs to be looked at even if it means cutting back to maintenance, freight and charter. If the demand was there it wouldn't be losing so much money. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:07 - May 16 with 610 views | raynor94 |
| Cardiff Airport on 19:33 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
Because that assumes that absolutely no money comes back in. |
It's been subsidised for £180million since the government takeover, it's running at a loss every year so what money is coming in? | |
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| Cardiff Airport on 20:27 - May 16 with 569 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:07 - May 16 by raynor94 |
It's been subsidised for £180million since the government takeover, it's running at a loss every year so what money is coming in? |
The estimate is it’s worth about two hundred million a year, taking into account income generated through passengers and freight, the wider aviation industry, local jobs etc.
I’m on the fence about whether wales needs an airport, but it’s not the case that the £200 odd million is just paid out. Quite a bit comes back in.
The other way to look at is off the subsidy was stopped and the airport closed, what would be the cost to the economy? | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:30 - May 16 with 562 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 19:49 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
The only time subsidy outstrips turnover normally is in the case of a charity, it's unjustifiable. Yes money comes back in but not enough. The whole business model needs to be looked at even if it means cutting back to maintenance, freight and charter. If the demand was there it wouldn't be losing so much money. |
National parks? Farms? | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:47 - May 16 with 535 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:30 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
National parks? Farms? |
Does that funding come from Westminster or the Senedd in Wales. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:04 - May 16 with 502 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:27 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
The estimate is it’s worth about two hundred million a year, taking into account income generated through passengers and freight, the wider aviation industry, local jobs etc.
I’m on the fence about whether wales needs an airport, but it’s not the case that the £200 odd million is just paid out. Quite a bit comes back in.
The other way to look at is off the subsidy was stopped and the airport closed, what would be the cost to the economy? |
Last report I saw said CWL loses £7 per passenger for every flight. That's what the 200 million is for, so they at least break even when you include other costs like maintenance. This is on top of the 250 million to buy it and run it so far.
Assuming that's still correct and last year they had 881,000 passengers then CWL lost...£6,671,000.
This is what Lees is complaining about. It's unfair competition. Kilkenny is all for joing the EU again, inside the EU a government owning the airport and subsidising it is illegal. In the UK we just have the competition rules but the Senedd is breaking those, allegedly. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:11 - May 16 with 489 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:27 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
The estimate is it’s worth about two hundred million a year, taking into account income generated through passengers and freight, the wider aviation industry, local jobs etc.
I’m on the fence about whether wales needs an airport, but it’s not the case that the £200 odd million is just paid out. Quite a bit comes back in.
The other way to look at is off the subsidy was stopped and the airport closed, what would be the cost to the economy? |
If the airport was completely closed and the runway etc shut, then it would probably result in the closure of the huge BA maintenance facility. There’s also the GE jet engine maintenance facility at Nantgarw near Caerphilly which I suspect may receive engines from planes at Cardiff. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:13 - May 16 with 488 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 20:47 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Does that funding come from Westminster or the Senedd in Wales. |
Same overall tax take | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:16 - May 16 with 483 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:11 - May 16 by majorraglan |
If the airport was completely closed and the runway etc shut, then it would probably result in the closure of the huge BA maintenance facility. There’s also the GE jet engine maintenance facility at Nantgarw near Caerphilly which I suspect may receive engines from planes at Cardiff. |
I think those are counted in the 4000 jobs.
Losing those would be pretty catastrophic.
If you’re arguing the airport should be shut then you’d have to be accepting of those job losses. [Post edited 16 May 21:17]
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| Cardiff Airport on 21:17 - May 16 with 460 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:16 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
I think those are counted in the 4000 jobs.
Losing those would be pretty catastrophic.
If you’re arguing the airport should be shut then you’d have to be accepting of those job losses. [Post edited 16 May 21:17]
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It would be catastrophic, they are all well paid engineering jobs the likes of which we need more of. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:23 - May 16 with 453 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:13 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
Same overall tax take |
Yes but there is no preferential treatment in regions or subsidy by the Senedd or referral to Competition and Markets Authority. Not to mention transparency or hiding of the facts. The Senedd just need to answer the questions before they are forced. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:33 - May 16 with 427 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cardiff Airport on 17:57 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Last time I flew from Cardiff I had a 4 hour delay. TUI emailed everyone with a meal voucher, there was not enough food in the food outlet to provide all of us with anything to eat. |
Same happened to me in Orlando, everything shut up shop so nowhere to spend the vouchers.
Not just a Cardiff problem. |  |
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| Cardiff Airport on 21:47 - May 16 with 411 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:33 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Same happened to me in Orlando, everything shut up shop so nowhere to spend the vouchers.
Not just a Cardiff problem. |
Never had the problem at Bristol, plenty of refreshment facilities all well stocked. The lounges are far superior to Cardiff. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:47 - May 16 with 407 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:04 - May 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Last report I saw said CWL loses £7 per passenger for every flight. That's what the 200 million is for, so they at least break even when you include other costs like maintenance. This is on top of the 250 million to buy it and run it so far.
Assuming that's still correct and last year they had 881,000 passengers then CWL lost...£6,671,000.
This is what Lees is complaining about. It's unfair competition. Kilkenny is all for joing the EU again, inside the EU a government owning the airport and subsidising it is illegal. In the UK we just have the competition rules but the Senedd is breaking those, allegedly. |
I think you are confused.
Bristol Airport is a company.
Wales is a nation.
Nobody elected the leader of Bristol Airport.
The people of Wales elected our Senedd.
Of course there are rules and laws.
For instance the airports in Scotland and north of Ireland have airport passenger tax devolved so they can make the airports successful.
This flexibility has not been afforded to Wales - i wonder why ?
Some people might say that looking after English airports has taken priority.
The Senedd is looking out for wales - and thats exactly what we elected them to do.
For the welsh people arguing that wales does not need an airport, then you are part of the problem.
Of course wales needs and deserves an international airport. | |
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| Cardiff Airport on 21:50 - May 16 with 390 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:47 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Never had the problem at Bristol, plenty of refreshment facilities all well stocked. The lounges are far superior to Cardiff. |
Dreadful last time i went.
Early in the morning but so full that you had to stand uo to drink a coffee.
Poor with young and elderly passengers needing chairs.
Passenger care coming second to profit. | |
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| Cardiff Airport on 21:54 - May 16 with 382 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Airport on 21:16 - May 16 by Gwyn737 |
I think those are counted in the 4000 jobs.
Losing those would be pretty catastrophic.
If you’re arguing the airport should be shut then you’d have to be accepting of those job losses. [Post edited 16 May 21:17]
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Pretty catastrophic Port Talbot steel works has effectively closed and yet there didn't seem to be much interest in saving those jobs , jobs which to be honest were far more important to the security of the UK than an airport. | |
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