| Reform Wales 15:59 - Feb 14 with 23464 views | SullutaCreturned |
Looks like they have made it past the first obstacle...
walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/first-reform-councillor-elected-wales-31003072
They beat Labour there too, interesting times. |  | | |  |
| Reform Wales on 16:03 - May 3 with 792 views | onehunglow |
| Reform Wales on 15:33 - May 3 by lifelong |
What! Like the 20mph debate? |
Yes on which you got rather personal with a few , not me though as I said my piece and left it at that
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| Reform Wales on 16:33 - May 3 with 769 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform Wales on 10:15 - May 3 by lifelong |
Can you, or Boundy, say anything good about something the Senedd have done for Wales? |
Smoking ban and single use plastic bags, that's two for you. |  | | |
| Reform Wales on 17:03 - May 3 with 745 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 16:33 - May 3 by Whiterockin |
Smoking ban and single use plastic bags, that's two for you. |
Very good.
Free prescriptions, free school meals for kids and, of course, the 20mph limit. |  | | |
| Reform Wales on 17:09 - May 3 with 734 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform Wales on 17:03 - May 3 by lifelong |
Very good.
Free prescriptions, free school meals for kids and, of course, the 20mph limit. |
Free school meals and prescriptions should not be for everyone in my opinion and the 20 mph is clearly a joke and ill thought through, it should have been implemented in specific zones. But we are now going off thread. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 18:50 - May 3 with 694 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Wales on 10:15 - May 3 by lifelong |
Can you, or Boundy, say anything good about something the Senedd have done for Wales? |
Can I join in....and honestly, I am struggling to think of something good the Senedd has done.
Maybe I just need reminding?
The 20mph would have been good if done properly and they'd not overspent millions on it.
The real issue is that we expect them to do good things and we also expect them not to make a complete pigs ear of things but as so often in politics, political dogma and ideology means we get pigs ears quite often.
I'll lump Westminster in with that, both governments have made shocking decisions with the big difference being that when we slate Westminster nobody pops up to ask what we can say that's good about it.
Ok, wcpp.org.uk/commentary/what-has-devolution-delivered-for-wales/
I'll accept that assumed consent for organ donation is good but reading that, it is blatant propaganda because there's a lot more in Wales than 16-24 year olds AND they do use PFI except tney don't call it PFI, giving it a different name doesn't mean it's different and the money used on the new Velindre Cancer centre through their version of PFI means it's cost twice as much over the period of the "loan" than the cost of building.
Free prescriptions, those who need that then great but why should well off people get free stuff? | | | |
| Reform Wales on 18:57 - May 3 with 689 views | onehunglow |
| Reform Wales on 18:50 - May 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Can I join in....and honestly, I am struggling to think of something good the Senedd has done.
Maybe I just need reminding?
The 20mph would have been good if done properly and they'd not overspent millions on it.
The real issue is that we expect them to do good things and we also expect them not to make a complete pigs ear of things but as so often in politics, political dogma and ideology means we get pigs ears quite often.
I'll lump Westminster in with that, both governments have made shocking decisions with the big difference being that when we slate Westminster nobody pops up to ask what we can say that's good about it.
Ok, wcpp.org.uk/commentary/what-has-devolution-delivered-for-wales/
I'll accept that assumed consent for organ donation is good but reading that, it is blatant propaganda because there's a lot more in Wales than 16-24 year olds AND they do use PFI except tney don't call it PFI, giving it a different name doesn't mean it's different and the money used on the new Velindre Cancer centre through their version of PFI means it's cost twice as much over the period of the "loan" than the cost of building.
Free prescriptions, those who need that then great but why should well off people get free stuff? |
If it's Welsh or Wales , it can't be criticised
Iwales needs to wake the fork up | |
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| Reform Wales on 19:34 - May 3 with 669 views | Dr_Winston |
Fairly desperate naming one of the most disputed and disliked bits of legislation that they've passed, namely the 20mph law, as a "success" for the Senedd.
School meals and prescriptions are of course not "free" for any net taxpayer. |  |
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| Reform Wales on 21:33 - May 3 with 637 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Wales on 19:34 - May 3 by Dr_Winston |
Fairly desperate naming one of the most disputed and disliked bits of legislation that they've passed, namely the 20mph law, as a "success" for the Senedd.
School meals and prescriptions are of course not "free" for any net taxpayer. |
Even saying that, school meals should be free for families that need it, well off families who can afford to pay should pay. Same with prescriptions.
We can make stuff universally free when this country is in a good enough state so, ot won't happen for a long, long time, if ever.
Most of the politicians we elect shouldn't be anywhere near power of any kind | | | |
| Reform Wales on 21:57 - May 3 with 618 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 19:34 - May 3 by Dr_Winston |
Fairly desperate naming one of the most disputed and disliked bits of legislation that they've passed, namely the 20mph law, as a "success" for the Senedd.
School meals and prescriptions are of course not "free" for any net taxpayer. |
Nothing desperate at all, without going over old arguments my complaint is that the Welsh Government have failed to properly enforce the legislation and have buckled under a Mickey Mouse petition. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 22:08 - May 3 with 612 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Wales on 21:57 - May 3 by lifelong |
Nothing desperate at all, without going over old arguments my complaint is that the Welsh Government have failed to properly enforce the legislation and have buckled under a Mickey Mouse petition. |
Mickey mouse petition...more people signed that petition than voted for Labour, even accounting for fake signatures.
It could have been a success if done properly. Even if they'd just reduced to the limit to 25 I don't think ther'd have been so much pushback and when it comes down to it, a lot of people still ognore it anyway and what do the police do?
As an aside, the average speed cameras on the Pontardawe bypass, someone cut two of them down and they haven't been put back yet apart from the odd asshole everything seems to be runnung smoothly there. If they'd left the limit at 50 and had the cameras I think all would have been ok because yet again, the real problem is those who drive like total asshats, not just going 4 or 5 over the limits but doing 20-30 over the top and driving poorly with it. The real problem in this country is the number of really bad drivers and the number who think they can do as they please.
This is where you are right, Lifey, what we need is more enforcement, without proper enforcement a new law is pointless. Be careful though because what you have also done there is criticise the Senedd  | | | |
| Reform Wales on 22:10 - May 3 with 609 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform Wales on 21:57 - May 3 by lifelong |
Nothing desperate at all, without going over old arguments my complaint is that the Welsh Government have failed to properly enforce the legislation and have buckled under a Mickey Mouse petition. |
Possibly because it was an idiotic, ill thought out, poorly implemented bit of legislation and now they're running scared from an electorate who have rightly called them on it.
The whole thing should of course be revoked and every single road which saw a reduction in limit should be returned to where it was. That might have to wait for a change of Government. | |
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| Reform Wales on 22:16 - May 3 with 607 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 22:08 - May 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Mickey mouse petition...more people signed that petition than voted for Labour, even accounting for fake signatures.
It could have been a success if done properly. Even if they'd just reduced to the limit to 25 I don't think ther'd have been so much pushback and when it comes down to it, a lot of people still ognore it anyway and what do the police do?
As an aside, the average speed cameras on the Pontardawe bypass, someone cut two of them down and they haven't been put back yet apart from the odd asshole everything seems to be runnung smoothly there. If they'd left the limit at 50 and had the cameras I think all would have been ok because yet again, the real problem is those who drive like total asshats, not just going 4 or 5 over the limits but doing 20-30 over the top and driving poorly with it. The real problem in this country is the number of really bad drivers and the number who think they can do as they please.
This is where you are right, Lifey, what we need is more enforcement, without proper enforcement a new law is pointless. Be careful though because what you have also done there is criticise the Senedd |
Those 40mph limits were put on that bypass road because of a petition by 3000 local people (not a Mickey Mouse one) because over a period of time there had been over 30 serious accidents, which included 2 fatalities on that relatively short section of road.
The real assholes are the one’s that cut down the average speed cameras. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 22:24 - May 3 with 603 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform Wales on 22:16 - May 3 by lifelong |
Those 40mph limits were put on that bypass road because of a petition by 3000 local people (not a Mickey Mouse one) because over a period of time there had been over 30 serious accidents, which included 2 fatalities on that relatively short section of road.
The real assholes are the one’s that cut down the average speed cameras. |
None of the serious accidents were caused by vehicles adhering to the 60mph limit.
If speed cameras had been erected and the limit left as it was then I have no doubt that they'd still be in place. Unfortunately hectoring local Govts can't just leave it at that. They have to be seen to be interfering, so they dropped the limit to 40mph, which is obviously far too slow for that road.
A petition with 3000 signatures about a road with probably close to five times that many daily users is Micky Mouse. | |
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| Reform Wales on 23:50 - May 3 with 555 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 22:24 - May 3 by Dr_Winston |
None of the serious accidents were caused by vehicles adhering to the 60mph limit.
If speed cameras had been erected and the limit left as it was then I have no doubt that they'd still be in place. Unfortunately hectoring local Govts can't just leave it at that. They have to be seen to be interfering, so they dropped the limit to 40mph, which is obviously far too slow for that road.
A petition with 3000 signatures about a road with probably close to five times that many daily users is Micky Mouse. |
Not sure how you know that first paragraph to be the case?
I disagree that 40 mph is far too slow for that road, when the next fatality on that stretch of road occurs I hope the criminals who cut down those average speed cameras are happy with what they have done.
If we go by your last paragraph there are 20,000 miles of road in Wales so those alleged 400,000 signatures, many of which were from abroad and many individuals signing multiple times, that petition is total Micky Mouse. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 00:10 - May 4 with 543 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform Wales on 23:50 - May 3 by lifelong |
Not sure how you know that first paragraph to be the case?
I disagree that 40 mph is far too slow for that road, when the next fatality on that stretch of road occurs I hope the criminals who cut down those average speed cameras are happy with what they have done.
If we go by your last paragraph there are 20,000 miles of road in Wales so those alleged 400,000 signatures, many of which were from abroad and many individuals signing multiple times, that petition is total Micky Mouse. |
Because in the case that caused the cameras and limits to be installed in the first place, those who caused it were racing at 90mph. Again, this is a matter of public record.
I travel the A4067 on an almost daily basis. The stretch from Ynysforgan Roundabout to Mond Golf Club would be safe at 70mph never mind 60mph. 40mph is idiotically slow. The section from there to Pontardawe at night is a little less straightforward, so a camera limited 60mph would be fine.
I'm not sure that even you understand whatever point it is that you're trying to make at the end there. I mean, you can't even grasp the difference between amount of traffic on a certain section of road and the total number of roads. | |
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| Reform Wales on 08:52 - May 4 with 486 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 00:10 - May 4 by Dr_Winston |
Because in the case that caused the cameras and limits to be installed in the first place, those who caused it were racing at 90mph. Again, this is a matter of public record.
I travel the A4067 on an almost daily basis. The stretch from Ynysforgan Roundabout to Mond Golf Club would be safe at 70mph never mind 60mph. 40mph is idiotically slow. The section from there to Pontardawe at night is a little less straightforward, so a camera limited 60mph would be fine.
I'm not sure that even you understand whatever point it is that you're trying to make at the end there. I mean, you can't even grasp the difference between amount of traffic on a certain section of road and the total number of roads. |
Your suggestion that it would be safe to drive on that section of road at 70mph says all about your inexperience and lack of understanding of road safety. I would have thought even you would understand that driving at 70mph on single lane roads is illegal everywhere in the UK.
I know all about the accident you are relating to and it was the last straw for local people because the road was so dangerous.
The point I was attempting to make was to compare the amount of road users to the amount of petition signatures., I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 09:08 - May 4 with 479 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform Wales on 08:52 - May 4 by lifelong |
Your suggestion that it would be safe to drive on that section of road at 70mph says all about your inexperience and lack of understanding of road safety. I would have thought even you would understand that driving at 70mph on single lane roads is illegal everywhere in the UK.
I know all about the accident you are relating to and it was the last straw for local people because the road was so dangerous.
The point I was attempting to make was to compare the amount of road users to the amount of petition signatures., I’m sorry you couldn’t understand it. |
The reference you made was about it the amount of roads, not road users. Compare like for like and you might make more sense.
I'm well aware of what the single lane speed limit is. That does not automatically mean that the road becomes unsafe at higher speeds. The motorway limit is 70mph and many people (even police cars I've driven behind) exceed that speed regularly and safely.
Indeed, most current limits were set in the sixties when people were driving around in Morris Marinas. Cars which could barely get to 70 in the first place and took almost as long to stop. Rules drawn up to govern motoring when Winston Churchill was still alive really should not be considered relevant today.
There's no sensible reason why many limits couldn't be increased given modern auto technology. A modern vehicle can go from 70-0 in half the distance set in the Highway Code. The motorway limit should be 85mph by now. A straight single lane A road? Certainly safe at 70 in most conditions. [Post edited 4 May 9:21]
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| Reform Wales on 09:38 - May 4 with 455 views | onehunglow |
| Reform Wales on 09:08 - May 4 by Dr_Winston |
The reference you made was about it the amount of roads, not road users. Compare like for like and you might make more sense.
I'm well aware of what the single lane speed limit is. That does not automatically mean that the road becomes unsafe at higher speeds. The motorway limit is 70mph and many people (even police cars I've driven behind) exceed that speed regularly and safely.
Indeed, most current limits were set in the sixties when people were driving around in Morris Marinas. Cars which could barely get to 70 in the first place and took almost as long to stop. Rules drawn up to govern motoring when Winston Churchill was still alive really should not be considered relevant today.
There's no sensible reason why many limits couldn't be increased given modern auto technology. A modern vehicle can go from 70-0 in half the distance set in the Highway Code. The motorway limit should be 85mph by now. A straight single lane A road? Certainly safe at 70 in most conditions. [Post edited 4 May 9:21]
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Limits were set when my grandad was driving a Wolseley 10
Braking performances these days are obviously on another planet to those days
Anyone remembering driving with drum brakes and non synchromesh gears knows just how much
Biggest issue is lack of skill and application in interpreting hazards and that is caused by external matters like talking , texting and distracted minds | |
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| Reform Wales on 09:49 - May 4 with 439 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform Wales on 09:38 - May 4 by onehunglow |
Limits were set when my grandad was driving a Wolseley 10
Braking performances these days are obviously on another planet to those days
Anyone remembering driving with drum brakes and non synchromesh gears knows just how much
Biggest issue is lack of skill and application in interpreting hazards and that is caused by external matters like talking , texting and distracted minds |
You didn't need to pass a driving test in those days either, many never did. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 10:00 - May 4 with 423 views | onehunglow |
| Reform Wales on 09:49 - May 4 by Whiterockin |
You didn't need to pass a driving test in those days either, many never did. |
My own father didn't
That was due to wartime when they were suspended
Wartime provisionals could be converted into full licences after the war ended
No wonder my old man was such a fast driver
A maniac really | |
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| Reform Wales on 12:35 - May 4 with 357 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Wales on 09:38 - May 4 by onehunglow |
Limits were set when my grandad was driving a Wolseley 10
Braking performances these days are obviously on another planet to those days
Anyone remembering driving with drum brakes and non synchromesh gears knows just how much
Biggest issue is lack of skill and application in interpreting hazards and that is caused by external matters like talking , texting and distracted minds |
That was very much my point, the real danger on the roads is the lunatic drivers and the very bad drivers, those who think they can drive as fast as possible and think they are in control; Then there's those that are just very bad drivers, they sometimes go too fast and sometimes dangerously slow. They can't manouvre their vehicles properly, can't stay in one lane, can't go around a roundabout but just cut across, they can't park properly and in so many cases seem to think the rules don't apply to them.
These are where we should be focussing our attention but instead of going after the guilty, the Senedd just punishes everybody, the innocent with the guilty all lumped in one pit and made to pay. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 13:35 - May 4 with 337 views | lifelong |
| Reform Wales on 09:08 - May 4 by Dr_Winston |
The reference you made was about it the amount of roads, not road users. Compare like for like and you might make more sense.
I'm well aware of what the single lane speed limit is. That does not automatically mean that the road becomes unsafe at higher speeds. The motorway limit is 70mph and many people (even police cars I've driven behind) exceed that speed regularly and safely.
Indeed, most current limits were set in the sixties when people were driving around in Morris Marinas. Cars which could barely get to 70 in the first place and took almost as long to stop. Rules drawn up to govern motoring when Winston Churchill was still alive really should not be considered relevant today.
There's no sensible reason why many limits couldn't be increased given modern auto technology. A modern vehicle can go from 70-0 in half the distance set in the Highway Code. The motorway limit should be 85mph by now. A straight single lane A road? Certainly safe at 70 in most conditions. [Post edited 4 May 9:21]
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So increasing the speeds limits to 70mph and 85mph would make the roads safer?
And you are criticising me for not making sense.
That’s almost as crazy and the statement you made in the 20mph thread when you said 20mph should only be in force during school hours. | | | |
| Reform Wales on 14:04 - May 4 with 325 views | onehunglow |
| Reform Wales on 13:35 - May 4 by lifelong |
So increasing the speeds limits to 70mph and 85mph would make the roads safer?
And you are criticising me for not making sense.
That’s almost as crazy and the statement you made in the 20mph thread when you said 20mph should only be in force during school hours. |
Possibly it could
You might even see middle lane hoggers wake up | |
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| Reform Wales on 15:32 - May 4 with 302 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform Wales on 13:35 - May 4 by lifelong |
So increasing the speeds limits to 70mph and 85mph would make the roads safer?
And you are criticising me for not making sense.
That’s almost as crazy and the statement you made in the 20mph thread when you said 20mph should only be in force during school hours. |
Where have I said it would make them more safe? Not once have I attempted to make that point. What I said was they would be no more dangerous at that speed, which is correct.
If a 20mph limit is in place because of a school, what purpose does that limit serve when the school is closed? Are we supposed to drive slowly to avoid knocking over kids that aren't there? | |
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