| Marti post-Cardiff 17:53 - Apr 5 with 8490 views | stainrods_elbow |
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/0_khx98nby
'Perhaps not the best football game' - quite! Looks tired, beaten down, and out of ideas. Has he taken this squad as far as he can? Whether we sink or not, I guess he'll be weighing up his options, and no doubt the club will be too. [Post edited 5 Apr 17:53]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:02 - Apr 5 with 3999 views | Stanisgod |
Bit difficult to assess with next to no forwards, no Chair, no Saito. Not quite sure what he's supposed to at the moment. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:05 - Apr 5 with 3961 views | numptydumpty |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:02 - Apr 5 by Stanisgod |
Bit difficult to assess with next to no forwards, no Chair, no Saito. Not quite sure what he's supposed to at the moment. |
Cifuentes will be elsewhere next season
He won't want to stay here as no chance of any improvements |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:06 - Apr 5 with 3942 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:02 - Apr 5 by Stanisgod |
Bit difficult to assess with next to no forwards, no Chair, no Saito. Not quite sure what he's supposed to at the moment. |
But it's been like this, or worse, for all bar, what?, a purple patch of 10 games or so when we punched above our weight. We've mostly been sub-par regardless of injuries. | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:22 - Apr 5 with 3819 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:05 - Apr 5 by numptydumpty |
Cifuentes will be elsewhere next season
He won't want to stay here as no chance of any improvements |
There's also every possibility that he thinks he's not cut out for English football and returns to Scandinavia or Spain.
As much as people love how he makes them feel there's been as many performances akin to today's as there has been like those against Leeds last season and probably a lot more.
I'm not saying he's overrated or not but the way English football is at the moment and our place within it means we need a particular quality in a manager which he hasn't persistently shown or even he may think so. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:32 - Apr 5 with 3746 views | Damo1962 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:22 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
There's also every possibility that he thinks he's not cut out for English football and returns to Scandinavia or Spain.
As much as people love how he makes them feel there's been as many performances akin to today's as there has been like those against Leeds last season and probably a lot more.
I'm not saying he's overrated or not but the way English football is at the moment and our place within it means we need a particular quality in a manager which he hasn't persistently shown or even he may think so. |
Agree. He has never truly convinced me TBH. Not that I know of anyone better though. We get L1 players and managers at best nowadays. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:39 - Apr 5 with 3687 views | kropotkin41 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:32 - Apr 5 by Damo1962 |
Agree. He has never truly convinced me TBH. Not that I know of anyone better though. We get L1 players and managers at best nowadays. |
Well, it's that isn't it? Who would be better? Who would be more convincing? I want him to stay and try to build something. It might seem unlikely, but not as unlikely as hoping that a new face will make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Taking over QPR last season was never going to be a recipe for a rapid turnaround. Our best team, on their best day can play well and win - when our best isn't available we all know it's hit-and-miss, and Marti knows that as well as anyone. |  |
| ‘morbid curiosity about where this is all going’ |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:42 - Apr 5 with 3652 views | connell10 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:06 - Apr 5 by stainrods_elbow |
But it's been like this, or worse, for all bar, what?, a purple patch of 10 games or so when we punched above our weight. We've mostly been sub-par regardless of injuries. |
Is he really that good? I'm undecided at the moment. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:47 - Apr 5 with 3587 views | Damo1962 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:39 - Apr 5 by kropotkin41 |
Well, it's that isn't it? Who would be better? Who would be more convincing? I want him to stay and try to build something. It might seem unlikely, but not as unlikely as hoping that a new face will make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Taking over QPR last season was never going to be a recipe for a rapid turnaround. Our best team, on their best day can play well and win - when our best isn't available we all know it's hit-and-miss, and Marti knows that as well as anyone. |
I hope he stays and things improve. He might see what a lot of us can see though - that the club is not going to change anytime soon. That may influence any decision he makes. Which league we start next season in might have a bearing too. It's all just speculation on my behalf. He is a nice guy, and supporters are defensive of him..that is perfectly understandable. | | | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:57 - Apr 5 with 3518 views | kensalriser |
I hear Steve Evans is available. |  |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:00 - Apr 5 with 3511 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:47 - Apr 5 by Damo1962 |
I hope he stays and things improve. He might see what a lot of us can see though - that the club is not going to change anytime soon. That may influence any decision he makes. Which league we start next season in might have a bearing too. It's all just speculation on my behalf. He is a nice guy, and supporters are defensive of him..that is perfectly understandable. |
He is a lovely man and I've got a lot of time for him as a person.
But that's about how he makes people feel and nothing to do with what he is paid to do, manage QPR.
If he isn't the right option for QPR then he needs to go or walk. Being a nice man should never enter the equation. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:25 - Apr 5 with 3418 views | ytt28 |
The manager is not the problem. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:41 - Apr 5 with 3364 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:25 - Apr 5 by ytt28 |
The manager is not the problem. |
Is it Mart's fault that he manages a team significantly affected by financial restraints, poor ownership and a squad that is arguably among the worst in our history? No.
Is it Marti's fault that the division will be even harder next year with the money both Birmingham and Wrexham have at their disposal before we even begin to take in account the sides coming down? No.
But at some point we'll have to conceed that feeling sorry for him because he's a nice man up against it maybe isn't a reason to keep him in a job if he doesn't walk.
There's every chance that with a bigger budget and better players he'd take us up to the Premier League but greater possibility that leading a team built in the bargain section he'll take us down to League One.
As a club we need to base any decisions on the reality of a situation rather than a hypothetical one. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:42 - Apr 5 with 3356 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:00 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
He is a lovely man and I've got a lot of time for him as a person.
But that's about how he makes people feel and nothing to do with what he is paid to do, manage QPR.
If he isn't the right option for QPR then he needs to go or walk. Being a nice man should never enter the equation. |
Yes another new manager will fix things…. The club is fundamentally broken in just about every area: our head of player fitness is based in the Middle East, Belk still heads up our recruitment (how?), our absentee clueless owners have installed a 20-something year old know-nothing to run the club, we started the season with zero goal threat. What is Martí supposed to do with this squad ?It’s pony, mid-table L1 at best. If he keeps us in the Championship he will have performed a miracle. |  |
| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:44 - Apr 5 with 3336 views | ManinBlack |
The disappointment is that it looks like we have not progressed from last season. Despite the hindrance of Gareth being the manager, Marti took over and took us to 56 points.
It really does look now that we won't get near that total despite Marti having a whole season and bringing in his players. On that basis we have slightly gone backwards if we finish with less points than last season which looks very likely.
No doubt we have had bigger problems with injuries this time round but it highlights the lack of back up in reserve. If the squad doesn't get enough funding then it is difficult to really strengthen a squad to progress. You have to keep replacing players with better players but we seem to excel in replacing one misfit with another. This is why there is no improvement in strikers as they cost money which we can't spend so we swap a forward who can't score with another one who can't score because the budget is too small to attract quality from tightening our belt. Any manager we have is going to be seriously constrained. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:48 - Apr 5 with 3294 views | Match82 |
Whether someone else could do better isn't really the question to ask. The question to ask is whether we, with this CEO, squad, budget and vision, would get someone better if Marti wasn't here.
Given what's gone before, I would say there's a lot better chance we'd get worse rather than better.
Let's get our house in order first and then worry about changing a good manager for a great one. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:49 - Apr 5 with 3276 views | stainrods_elbow |
The squad is shocking, the club instrastructure is jerry- (or Nourry-) built, the owners are ineffectual, but the manager has under-performed.
I guess my question is: Where do we go from here? | |
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:52 - Apr 5 with 3263 views | lassel |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:22 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
There's also every possibility that he thinks he's not cut out for English football and returns to Scandinavia or Spain.
As much as people love how he makes them feel there's been as many performances akin to today's as there has been like those against Leeds last season and probably a lot more.
I'm not saying he's overrated or not but the way English football is at the moment and our place within it means we need a particular quality in a manager which he hasn't persistently shown or even he may think so. |
The reality is he has been contacted by other clubs in this division, he simply doesn’t need to hang around for another year of Nourry’s ‘expertise’ in action. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 20:01 - Apr 5 with 3226 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:52 - Apr 5 by lassel |
The reality is he has been contacted by other clubs in this division, he simply doesn’t need to hang around for another year of Nourry’s ‘expertise’ in action. |
And good luck to him if that is the case.
No one will begrudge him any success he goes on to have.
There seems to be too much to change for him to be the success we want him to be at QPR including the whole structure and mentality of English football.
I wish we could go back to the eras where it was a far more level playing field but even then Sir Matt Busby would have been the wrong choice as QPR manager in 1965 whereas Stock was the right man at the right time.
We need a manager who can work in the conditions we find ourselves in rather than one who, it seems, would have been the perfect choice in different circumstances. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 20:50 - Apr 5 with 3073 views | bosh67 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:25 - Apr 5 by ytt28 |
The manager is not the problem. |
Absolutely agree. Trying to find a way to score goals, let alone win games when you have 3 strikers out and your one rookie one having to come off because he's still not right, and with your number 10 out and your attacking winger suspended it really is unbelievably difficult for Marti. I'd hate to be in his position with so many players out and no real choices to actually put the ball in the net. Absolute nightmare for him. He looks frustrated and tired and that's because just at the wrong time he has almost no attacking options.
Should we have let 36 year old Chris Martin go? He's scored 21 goals in 57 games for Bristol Rovers so far. Sometimes we actually need these older been there done it strikers to get us through because they don't seem to fall apart like the rest of our forwards. [Post edited 5 Apr 20:51]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:06 - Apr 5 with 3018 views | Northernr |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:25 - Apr 5 by ytt28 |
The manager is not the problem. |
Seconded.
Looking forward to these same threads next year slagging off whichever poor sap is left to manage a team put together by ppl who know as much about football as you and I, using fancy lap top algorithms. |  | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:27 - Apr 5 with 2898 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 18:22 - Apr 5 by SteveW6 |
There's also every possibility that he thinks he's not cut out for English football and returns to Scandinavia or Spain.
As much as people love how he makes them feel there's been as many performances akin to today's as there has been like those against Leeds last season and probably a lot more.
I'm not saying he's overrated or not but the way English football is at the moment and our place within it means we need a particular quality in a manager which he hasn't persistently shown or even he may think so. |
Yeah, he's a bit Emperor's New Clothes for me at the moment. Sure, we have loads of injuries but that was so, so bad today against an appalling team. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:37 - Apr 5 with 2861 views | ozexile |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 19:44 - Apr 5 by ManinBlack |
The disappointment is that it looks like we have not progressed from last season. Despite the hindrance of Gareth being the manager, Marti took over and took us to 56 points.
It really does look now that we won't get near that total despite Marti having a whole season and bringing in his players. On that basis we have slightly gone backwards if we finish with less points than last season which looks very likely.
No doubt we have had bigger problems with injuries this time round but it highlights the lack of back up in reserve. If the squad doesn't get enough funding then it is difficult to really strengthen a squad to progress. You have to keep replacing players with better players but we seem to excel in replacing one misfit with another. This is why there is no improvement in strikers as they cost money which we can't spend so we swap a forward who can't score with another one who can't score because the budget is too small to attract quality from tightening our belt. Any manager we have is going to be seriously constrained. |
Everyone keeps telling me they're Nourry's players. I cant see a guy like Marti signing some of them. IMO there's no way Marti would want Madsen or Celar. That reeks of an inexperienced CEO. | | | |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 22:43 - Apr 5 with 2696 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:37 - Apr 5 by ozexile |
Everyone keeps telling me they're Nourry's players. I cant see a guy like Marti signing some of them. IMO there's no way Marti would want Madsen or Celar. That reeks of an inexperienced CEO. |
And still, for the love of all the angels! I've explained this clearly, several times, with support from authentic articles in which Marti has made matters clear re the collective decision-making around recruitment, which HE HIMSELF CALLED 'NEARLY PERFECT' LAST SUMMER!
No one - NO ONE - has come to QPR over the manager's head. It's his squad, his coaching, and his players. Unless anyone here can produce properly referenced counter-arguments rather than hearsay, they should stop embarrassing themselves with this zombiefied piffle in order to go on protecting MC from legitimate criticism. [Post edited 5 Apr 22:45]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 23:26 - Apr 5 with 2557 views | SteveW6 |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 21:27 - Apr 5 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yeah, he's a bit Emperor's New Clothes for me at the moment. Sure, we have loads of injuries but that was so, so bad today against an appalling team. |
He has a decent but not great CV before he joins us and a decent but not great record since.
He's a decent, good bloke who was attributed with our successful fight against relegation last year with some great memories being made in the process: I fully understand why these two things have created a potential aura around him and passionate defenders of him.
But the elephant in the room is in the first paragraph.
I don't dispute that the real issue lies far from him but, again, there's every chance that emotions have run wild and people can't see that he's just maybe not as good as they hope/think and also the possibility that even if he is as good as they believe that he's the right man at the wrong time.
Should we ignore the fact that he seemingly can't work as well as we hope with the pittance of a budget he has at his disposal and with a board who are clueless beyond believe?
I wouldn't be surprised to see him manage successfully in the Premier League at some point in the future and even possibly be considered as a contender for the National Manager of Spain but none of us would still be talking about Ayrton Senna if he had spent his career at Toleman.
Those who say a new manager will face the same issues are correct, he will. But as Clive ended his preview by saying, things can't stay like this. The problem is that it will take decades to change the English football landscape to ensure we return to an era of a level playing field and the board own the club and aren't going anywhere soon.
Would we really endure years of this - and worse - just so we can say how nice Marti is and how great he's going to be? Would we? [Post edited 5 Apr 23:29]
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| Marti post-Cardiff on 01:31 - Apr 6 with 2382 views | ozexile |
| Marti post-Cardiff on 22:43 - Apr 5 by stainrods_elbow |
And still, for the love of all the angels! I've explained this clearly, several times, with support from authentic articles in which Marti has made matters clear re the collective decision-making around recruitment, which HE HIMSELF CALLED 'NEARLY PERFECT' LAST SUMMER!
No one - NO ONE - has come to QPR over the manager's head. It's his squad, his coaching, and his players. Unless anyone here can produce properly referenced counter-arguments rather than hearsay, they should stop embarrassing themselves with this zombiefied piffle in order to go on protecting MC from legitimate criticism. [Post edited 5 Apr 22:45]
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Ha ha of course a guy on so many thousands a week is definitely going to throw the CEO under the bus in an interview isn't he. | | | |
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