| If you clubbed together the best championship players 20:11 - Apr 23 with 3177 views | NoDiddley |
In one team, would they survive in the premiership?
I don’t think so, the gulf is enormous
Look at the promotion sides
Josh Brownhill et al
Can’t think of one player who’s premier league quality in the sides going up or via the play offs |  | | |  |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 21:11 - Apr 23 with 2738 views | TomS |
You're right, it wouldn't compete.
Some newly promoted sides have attempted that strategy over the years, hoovering up decent players over the summer from other Championship teams that didn't get promoted, but it didn't work out for them.
The bottom line appeared to be that if you put together a side filled with Championship players, you end up with a Championship team. |  | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 22:29 - Apr 23 with 2622 views | numptydumpty |
And also it's not in a managers interest to get promoted as most get sacked half way through the following premiership season for being successful the season before !!! |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 23:41 - Apr 23 with 2508 views | kensalriser |
Easily, I think.
Here's the core of a squad of ex Championship players currently in the PL which would almost certainly stay up. Loads more if you can be bothered to look. It's not always easy to pick out which players are going to thrive in the Prem, though. Who would have picked Lewis Dunk as a future PL stalwart?
Raya
Guehi
Konsa
Robinson
Toffolo
Dunk
Wharton
Norgaard
Sessegnon
Sarr
Eze
Mbeumo
Wood
Watkins
Wilson |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 06:56 - Apr 24 with 2312 views | Gus_iom |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 23:41 - Apr 23 by kensalriser |
Easily, I think.
Here's the core of a squad of ex Championship players currently in the PL which would almost certainly stay up. Loads more if you can be bothered to look. It's not always easy to pick out which players are going to thrive in the Prem, though. Who would have picked Lewis Dunk as a future PL stalwart?
Raya
Guehi
Konsa
Robinson
Toffolo
Dunk
Wharton
Norgaard
Sessegnon
Sarr
Eze
Mbeumo
Wood
Watkins
Wilson |
https://images.app.goo.gl/kjVZ6RETF2Vu7GQ96
Last seasons EFL team of the season, if you follow the link.
Slightly disingenuous Kensal, you've chosen players over a period of years, I don't think the team I've linked to survives. |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 07:43 - Apr 24 with 2249 views | Northernr |
That's not far off what Ipswich did this season. |  | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 08:18 - Apr 24 with 2191 views | Watford_Ranger |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 23:41 - Apr 23 by kensalriser |
Easily, I think.
Here's the core of a squad of ex Championship players currently in the PL which would almost certainly stay up. Loads more if you can be bothered to look. It's not always easy to pick out which players are going to thrive in the Prem, though. Who would have picked Lewis Dunk as a future PL stalwart?
Raya
Guehi
Konsa
Robinson
Toffolo
Dunk
Wharton
Norgaard
Sessegnon
Sarr
Eze
Mbeumo
Wood
Watkins
Wilson |
That team would but now which is a quite different question. Eze for example took quite a long time adapt.
Think Leeds and Burnley will give it a better go than the dross this season but someone has to go down and you’re struggling to pick three candidates for them to finish above. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 08:41 - Apr 24 with 2162 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 22:29 - Apr 23 by numptydumpty |
And also it's not in a managers interest to get promoted as most get sacked half way through the following premiership season for being successful the season before !!! |
In fairness they also get sacked if they don't go up. |  | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 08:53 - Apr 24 with 2145 views | SydneyRs |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 21:11 - Apr 23 by TomS |
You're right, it wouldn't compete.
Some newly promoted sides have attempted that strategy over the years, hoovering up decent players over the summer from other Championship teams that didn't get promoted, but it didn't work out for them.
The bottom line appeared to be that if you put together a side filled with Championship players, you end up with a Championship team. |
We did pretty much exactly this after the 2011 promotion, signing SWP etc last minute. | | | |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 08:54 - Apr 24 with 2140 views | SydneyRs |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 23:41 - Apr 23 by kensalriser |
Easily, I think.
Here's the core of a squad of ex Championship players currently in the PL which would almost certainly stay up. Loads more if you can be bothered to look. It's not always easy to pick out which players are going to thrive in the Prem, though. Who would have picked Lewis Dunk as a future PL stalwart?
Raya
Guehi
Konsa
Robinson
Toffolo
Dunk
Wharton
Norgaard
Sessegnon
Sarr
Eze
Mbeumo
Wood
Watkins
Wilson |
But they wouldn't have been as good as they are now if all put together fresh from playing in the championship the season before. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 09:01 - Apr 24 with 2120 views | daveB |
It's not about the quality of players it's how you set up. Brentford went up playing open attacking football but when they got there they became a lot more direct and pragmatic which worked for them. Bournemouth the same were quite direct under Gary O'Neil but it worked for them
Ipswich and Southampton seemed to think they could outscore everyone but Ipswich put that Burnley keeper in goal who cost them tons of goals last season and he did the same this year. A good keeper and defence is an absolute must so Burnley could make a go of it if they keep Trafford.
Leicester were quite pragmatic at the start of the season and were out of the bottom 3 but it was boring so they went more attacking and got slaughtered every week
The financial gap makes it incredibly hard but if you are hard to beat, pick points up and get between 35-38 points you have a very good chance of staying up. The absolute key to it for me is winning early, longer you go without a win you lose hope
You also need a lot of pace and energy in the team as you are going to be playing on the break a lot |  | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 09:09 - Apr 24 with 2091 views | wombat |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 07:43 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
That's not far off what Ipswich did this season. |
made sense at the time , all ready for next season , lump of cash coming in for delap prob as well and should be top 3 next season , must be nice having a DOF CEO who know what the feck they are doing |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:08 - Apr 24 with 2001 views | aston_hoop |
The way to survive is to have 3 massive midfielders and 4 massive defenders who can deal with the physical demands in a league where the intensity is growing seemingly exponentially (all legit I'm sure..) |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:14 - Apr 24 with 1989 views | lightwaterhoop |
The gap between even the 4th bottom club in the premier league and the top clubs in the championship is now huge which makes Plymouth beating Liverpool in the FA cup all the more remarkable. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:20 - Apr 24 with 1970 views | BAWHoops |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:08 - Apr 24 by aston_hoop |
The way to survive is to have 3 massive midfielders and 4 massive defenders who can deal with the physical demands in a league where the intensity is growing seemingly exponentially (all legit I'm sure..) |
The issue with this is that the players that got you there likely don't play like this.
So now you have to bring in 11 new players.
Even if you took QPR as an example. If this squad was promoted (don't laugh) you'd immediately look to replace Paal, Morgan, Smyth, Saito, Madsen, Andersen, Celar, Kolli with the type of player you suggest.
Plus if any of those new players don't work out suddenly the 'rejects' are back in the team.
It's very very hard and lord knows what the answer is. But it's not doing what the last 6 teams have done! |  |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:40 - Apr 24 with 1926 views | aston_hoop |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 10:20 - Apr 24 by BAWHoops |
The issue with this is that the players that got you there likely don't play like this.
So now you have to bring in 11 new players.
Even if you took QPR as an example. If this squad was promoted (don't laugh) you'd immediately look to replace Paal, Morgan, Smyth, Saito, Madsen, Andersen, Celar, Kolli with the type of player you suggest.
Plus if any of those new players don't work out suddenly the 'rejects' are back in the team.
It's very very hard and lord knows what the answer is. But it's not doing what the last 6 teams have done! |
Oh yeah totally, even the promoted teams this year need to go all out on replacing their squad now. The Forest approach of spending tons of cash on buying 20-30 absolute monsters to play in their squad and hoping that at least 10 of them would be a success seems to be paying off for them. More direct football with incredibly physical athletic players is the best way to do it. We all laughed at them, and they may have got here by accident, but it worked. But if you go up like Southampton expecting to pass your way through the Premier League or be like Ipswich and just buy good technical players from the Championship and stick to their style, it'll never work. | |
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 11:00 - Apr 24 with 1887 views | Loyalitat |
Of course it's still possible.
Sean Dyche did exactly that when Burnley got promoted for the first time in many years in 2017. He signed a number of championship players, spearheaded by Chris Wood who was signed from Leeds. A massively underrated player and a proper centre-forward who scored nearly 50 goals for them in the premier league in just 144 games, playing his part in keeping them in that league for four consecutive seasons.
During that period, the majority of their squad comprised former championship players. Had they not have sold Wood to Newcastle in January 2022, they may well have maintained their status in the premier league at the end of that season.
Rinsed and largely repeated in the case of Brentford too. Palace did essentially the same when they first got promoted. In stark contrast to us when we got promoted the first time, they kept the majority of their championship squad in their formative years in the premier league. I still maintain that the squad that got us promoted with Neil Warnock was stronger than Palace's. [Post edited 24 Apr 11:28]
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| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 12:11 - Apr 24 with 1781 views | Northernr |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 09:09 - Apr 24 by wombat |
made sense at the time , all ready for next season , lump of cash coming in for delap prob as well and should be top 3 next season , must be nice having a DOF CEO who know what the feck they are doing |
Unless things have gone badly awry there and we don't know it I reckon they'll absolutely dick this league next year if McKenna stays. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:24 - Apr 24 with 1657 views | switchingcode |
I’ve heard many times recently of the theory that promoted teams need to have experienced PL players to survive I don’t go along with that.Brentford got promoted through the play offs after finishing 3rd behind Norwich and Watford and ended up 8 th without signing any of these players.
You need to have signed players that can be improved to manage the step along with a coaching team to achieve this.The current situation though needs addressing as the gap is getting to a point where established teams only need to win around 10 games to survive and if this continues the PL will be like a closed shop something the American owners would love and I for one hates.
After 4 seasons in the PL apart from the first season each season has become less enjoyable at times just plain boring.No criticism of my club they have played a blinder but for legacy fans like me,(its what we are called these days ) these are far from the golden years in my long time of following the team all over the country. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:42 - Apr 24 with 1633 views | GaryBannister86 |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:24 - Apr 24 by switchingcode |
I’ve heard many times recently of the theory that promoted teams need to have experienced PL players to survive I don’t go along with that.Brentford got promoted through the play offs after finishing 3rd behind Norwich and Watford and ended up 8 th without signing any of these players.
You need to have signed players that can be improved to manage the step along with a coaching team to achieve this.The current situation though needs addressing as the gap is getting to a point where established teams only need to win around 10 games to survive and if this continues the PL will be like a closed shop something the American owners would love and I for one hates.
After 4 seasons in the PL apart from the first season each season has become less enjoyable at times just plain boring.No criticism of my club they have played a blinder but for legacy fans like me,(its what we are called these days ) these are far from the golden years in my long time of following the team all over the country. |
Question for you - how did it go down with the Brentford fans resting good players for the League Cup quarter final?
I still can't get my head around us resting players in the FA Cup 3rd round this year, never mind how I could ever deal with that. |  | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:46 - Apr 24 with 1611 views | SydneyRs |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:24 - Apr 24 by switchingcode |
I’ve heard many times recently of the theory that promoted teams need to have experienced PL players to survive I don’t go along with that.Brentford got promoted through the play offs after finishing 3rd behind Norwich and Watford and ended up 8 th without signing any of these players.
You need to have signed players that can be improved to manage the step along with a coaching team to achieve this.The current situation though needs addressing as the gap is getting to a point where established teams only need to win around 10 games to survive and if this continues the PL will be like a closed shop something the American owners would love and I for one hates.
After 4 seasons in the PL apart from the first season each season has become less enjoyable at times just plain boring.No criticism of my club they have played a blinder but for legacy fans like me,(its what we are called these days ) these are far from the golden years in my long time of following the team all over the country. |
I remember Fulham fans having similar sentiments before their last relegation. The promised land it is not, as far as I'm concerned. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 16:04 - Apr 24 with 1526 views | switchingcode |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 14:42 - Apr 24 by GaryBannister86 |
Question for you - how did it go down with the Brentford fans resting good players for the League Cup quarter final?
I still can't get my head around us resting players in the FA Cup 3rd round this year, never mind how I could ever deal with that. |
Disgraceful in both cases not saying we would have won either but have a go ffs. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 16:08 - Apr 24 with 1511 views | Northernr |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 16:04 - Apr 24 by switchingcode |
Disgraceful in both cases not saying we would have won either but have a go ffs. |
That's actually quite refreshing to hear, fair play to you.
I was expecting 8 pars on how Benham's punched "cups" into his personal super computer and forbid his manager from playing anybody over the age of 15 in any tie.
An absolute gimme in the Third Round this year as well, at home to a team with the worst away record in the championship two years running. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 16:15 - Apr 24 with 1487 views | switchingcode |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 09:01 - Apr 24 by daveB |
It's not about the quality of players it's how you set up. Brentford went up playing open attacking football but when they got there they became a lot more direct and pragmatic which worked for them. Bournemouth the same were quite direct under Gary O'Neil but it worked for them
Ipswich and Southampton seemed to think they could outscore everyone but Ipswich put that Burnley keeper in goal who cost them tons of goals last season and he did the same this year. A good keeper and defence is an absolute must so Burnley could make a go of it if they keep Trafford.
Leicester were quite pragmatic at the start of the season and were out of the bottom 3 but it was boring so they went more attacking and got slaughtered every week
The financial gap makes it incredibly hard but if you are hard to beat, pick points up and get between 35-38 points you have a very good chance of staying up. The absolute key to it for me is winning early, longer you go without a win you lose hope
You also need a lot of pace and energy in the team as you are going to be playing on the break a lot |
You are correct Brentford were a great watch most of the time in the championship and they were the best years for me.We turned into a very physical side who were very hard to beat playing long up to Toney.I must admit I thought we would only last one season.Getting relegated from PL will be grim when it comes seeing your team get beat every week but the championship is a happy landing place for me,as long as we don’t do a Luton something I didn’t see coming. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 19:35 - Apr 24 with 1352 views | Watford_Ranger |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 12:11 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
Unless things have gone badly awry there and we don't know it I reckon they'll absolutely dick this league next year if McKenna stays. |
Think Southampton will be getting close to 90 points easily too. Still plenty of quality there for this level and I don’t think it’s a group full of bad eggs. Depends who they bring in of course and the need to sell but I doubt they’ll lose anyone they don’t want to except Dibling and Ramsdale but he’s mediocre anyway.
Hell of a job though for whoever takes on the Leicester car crash. | | | |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 19:45 - Apr 24 with 1338 views | aston_hoop |
| If you clubbed together the best championship players on 19:35 - Apr 24 by Watford_Ranger |
Think Southampton will be getting close to 90 points easily too. Still plenty of quality there for this level and I don’t think it’s a group full of bad eggs. Depends who they bring in of course and the need to sell but I doubt they’ll lose anyone they don’t want to except Dibling and Ramsdale but he’s mediocre anyway.
Hell of a job though for whoever takes on the Leicester car crash. |
Also to add Southampton have two of the leagues outstanding young players ready to come in to play for them, both our Ronnie and also EFL young player of the season nominee Shea Charles (on loan at Wednesday this season). Would take some effort to pip the 3 going down in my opinion next season, even Leicester. Which is a little bit boring really isn't it. | |
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