| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** 13:25 - Apr 25 with 40277 views | ted_hendrix |
Well that's It last home game of the season against a Premiership side.
Wah hey and all that hullabaloo.
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 07:44 - Apr 27 with 2414 views | Gus_iom |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 07:30 - Apr 27 by QPROslo |
Colback had our best shot on target of the game. It took a top class save to keep it out, you don't mention it. He had a poor game 1st half I agree but was a lot better as the game went on. |
I don't mind Colback or even Ashby particularly, but the issues Nix is citing aren't just about today. Colbacks propensity to pick up needless bookings; the way he'll inexplicably occasionally let people run off him and not track back; Ashbys ridiculous - and shite - flicks and tricks, which lose us possession. And, with Kolli, if Nix is thinking about him not looking for a pass, but to take on shots with the view to goal blocked, I'd agree.
Sutton looked more aware of his defensive duties then Dembele, as well. [Post edited 27 Apr 7:45]
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 08:01 - Apr 27 with 2317 views | joe90 |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 22:12 - Apr 26 by nix |
I even said why. It's not ability or how they played today it's brain dead attitudes. Kolli also straddled the tight rope of not looking like he had to do more than waft about.
I don't know how you could say Colback and Ashby played much better than anyone. Colback didn't manage one tackle in the whole match, won only 2 duels and still managed to get booked. He's supposed to be a senior, experienced player. Ashby persistently tries stupid flicks despite them hardly ever coming off. Despite being an actual RB he hardly provided any cover for Dunne.
Dunne did eight clearances, four tackles, a blocked shot and a clearance off the line. |
How they played was the issue, its a reflection of their attitude.
I don’t agree about the Colback criticism. He’s been one of our best players recently. I know he has a habit of picking up cards unnecessarily, but his recent performances have been good. Especially compared to certain players who have been consistently bad. Paal or Madsen? Madsen gets a few assists and people are creaming themselves like he’s the second coming, totally ignoring the fact he’s been anonymous for majority of the time he’s played this season.
I get it, we’re all football fans and we have our bias. We take a dislike or like a certain player and they can do no wrong or do everything right. I’m guilty of it myself, I’ve been a big fan of Andersen and far too forgiving of his woeful performances. But I recognise that.
Yesterday was awful and the performance was disrespectful to the fans. Last home game of the season - show some effort, show that you care. We can accept losing, especially to the top team in the league, but I don’t think we deserve that display. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:37]
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:04 - Apr 27 with 2109 views | nix |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 07:30 - Apr 27 by QPROslo |
Colback had our best shot on target of the game. It took a top class save to keep it out, you don't mention it. He had a poor game 1st half I agree but was a lot better as the game went on. |
I didn't mention it because it had zero to do with my point. Being able to hit one shot in a match has zero to do with attitudes and how you approach the game. It's nothing to do with picking up stupid bookings. Not being able to tackle after the stupid booking is how it affects the team.
Even so if I were evaluating his overall performance it's not good enough for your senior player to be much better once Chair and Frey were on. Varane had to do a lot more work because Colback didn't. And we were 3-0 down by half time and the game was lost. The hugely maligned Madsen managed as many tackles as Colback from AM playing half as long. If you think winning two duels of any description from DM in 90 minutes is good enough against Burnley then I don't know what to tell you.
Statistically the only worse performing QPR players over the season on Sofascore are the youth players Morgan and Lloyd. He's only managed one goal and one assist. The same number of penalties he's committed and red cards he's had. He's created zero big chances for anyone else. Once again Madsen has scored two, had three assists and created three big chances. Even defensively he only recovers 2.3 balls per match - Varane manages 4.6. Even Saito manages over three.
But my point was his attitude and that for a senior player is woeful. I'll give people a free pass in the heat of the moment but that ref, who was excellent I thought, gave him a chance to not get a booking. This is in a match when we have zero options off the bench. But no he had to shoot his mouth off. Brain dead. |  | | |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:24 - Apr 27 with 2011 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:04 - Apr 27 by nix |
I didn't mention it because it had zero to do with my point. Being able to hit one shot in a match has zero to do with attitudes and how you approach the game. It's nothing to do with picking up stupid bookings. Not being able to tackle after the stupid booking is how it affects the team.
Even so if I were evaluating his overall performance it's not good enough for your senior player to be much better once Chair and Frey were on. Varane had to do a lot more work because Colback didn't. And we were 3-0 down by half time and the game was lost. The hugely maligned Madsen managed as many tackles as Colback from AM playing half as long. If you think winning two duels of any description from DM in 90 minutes is good enough against Burnley then I don't know what to tell you.
Statistically the only worse performing QPR players over the season on Sofascore are the youth players Morgan and Lloyd. He's only managed one goal and one assist. The same number of penalties he's committed and red cards he's had. He's created zero big chances for anyone else. Once again Madsen has scored two, had three assists and created three big chances. Even defensively he only recovers 2.3 balls per match - Varane manages 4.6. Even Saito manages over three.
But my point was his attitude and that for a senior player is woeful. I'll give people a free pass in the heat of the moment but that ref, who was excellent I thought, gave him a chance to not get a booking. This is in a match when we have zero options off the bench. But no he had to shoot his mouth off. Brain dead. |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:39 - Apr 27 with 1937 views | nix |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 07:44 - Apr 27 by Gus_iom |
I don't mind Colback or even Ashby particularly, but the issues Nix is citing aren't just about today. Colbacks propensity to pick up needless bookings; the way he'll inexplicably occasionally let people run off him and not track back; Ashbys ridiculous - and shite - flicks and tricks, which lose us possession. And, with Kolli, if Nix is thinking about him not looking for a pass, but to take on shots with the view to goal blocked, I'd agree.
Sutton looked more aware of his defensive duties then Dembele, as well. [Post edited 27 Apr 7:45]
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Thank you. You summarised it better than me but it's precisely my point, particularly re Kolli. He has a lot of talent but even Eze said he had to change his attitude and listen more when he came to us to become successful. Obviously you want goal scorers to have a bit of tunnel vision but he should learn from Frey who often does the unselfish stuff, laying the ball off to someone in a better position, drawing away defenders to create space for others etc. | | | |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:01 - Apr 27 with 1829 views | dmm |
I've not read this thread so apologies if this has already been covered. I found the biggest difference between us and Burnley was the players' movement off the ball. When in possession, we looked almost static compared to Burnley who buzzed around looking for space and passing angles. We mainly stood around looking at the player in possession.
That's a bit of a caricature of the game, but that's how it looked to me. |  | | |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:20 - Apr 27 with 1767 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:01 - Apr 27 by dmm |
I've not read this thread so apologies if this has already been covered. I found the biggest difference between us and Burnley was the players' movement off the ball. When in possession, we looked almost static compared to Burnley who buzzed around looking for space and passing angles. We mainly stood around looking at the player in possession.
That's a bit of a caricature of the game, but that's how it looked to me. |
Me too.
They worked harder on and off the ball.
Much, much harder. | |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:22 - Apr 27 with 1753 views | Gus_iom |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:24 - Apr 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
100% agree. |
The Madsen/Colback tackles stat is eye opening! | |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:27 - Apr 27 with 1717 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:22 - Apr 27 by Gus_iom |
The Madsen/Colback tackles stat is eye opening! |
Actually made me laugh! | |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:28 - Apr 27 with 1705 views | Gus_iom |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:01 - Apr 27 by dmm |
I've not read this thread so apologies if this has already been covered. I found the biggest difference between us and Burnley was the players' movement off the ball. When in possession, we looked almost static compared to Burnley who buzzed around looking for space and passing angles. We mainly stood around looking at the player in possession.
That's a bit of a caricature of the game, but that's how it looked to me. |
Absolutely. In many ways, our performance was a continuation of the first 60 v Swansea. There is no movement, no out ball for the defence, making them so easy to press, and for the pass lines to be blocked. We made both teams, good as they were, look so much better by making it so easy for them.
That we improved when Chair and Frey came on is no coincidence - both want the ball, and will take responsibility. Frey opens up the long ball option, Chair shows for the ball. Neither can play the full 90 at the moment, those who say they should have forgotten what happened to Willick. | |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:57 - Apr 27 with 1601 views | Hayesender |
After a nice afternoon having a few drinks round Embankment, I got the train home last night. It was packed with very happy Crystal Palace fans.
I thought to myself, it wasn't that long ago we were regularly beating them, and finishing higher than them.
This whole debacle boils down to completely incompetent owners, including the bloke who's got his name in big letters over the South Africa rd stand. Embarrassing |  |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 11:05 - Apr 27 with 1564 views | Dorse |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:28 - Apr 27 by Gus_iom |
Absolutely. In many ways, our performance was a continuation of the first 60 v Swansea. There is no movement, no out ball for the defence, making them so easy to press, and for the pass lines to be blocked. We made both teams, good as they were, look so much better by making it so easy for them.
That we improved when Chair and Frey came on is no coincidence - both want the ball, and will take responsibility. Frey opens up the long ball option, Chair shows for the ball. Neither can play the full 90 at the moment, those who say they should have forgotten what happened to Willick. |
Varane, in particular, was name-checked by Sinton as being frustrated by the lack of passing options. 3 or 4 times, he received the ball deep, looks up and finds every passing lane blocked and no movement from colleagues to open up space. Varane actually signalled this at least twice!
Their second, when Brownhill was gifted the freedom of the People's Republic of Shepherds Bush before putting down his copy of the Racing Post, finishing his cup of tea and delivering a pinpoint cross for Fleming, summed it up for me. They made all the space, had all the movement and choked us to death with their press.
Burnley were the best side on the day and we were well off the pace throughout. |  |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 11:16 - Apr 27 with 1506 views | ngbqpr |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:22 - Apr 27 by Gus_iom |
The Madsen/Colback tackles stat is eye opening! |
Isn't it just!
Just shows how easy it can be to (mis)judge someone's contribution, especially in the battle that is (ahem) the 'midfield engine room' cos one player looks languid verging on horizontal and the other all action and in yer face. Maybe Varane's more impressive stats reflect that he sits somewhere between the two stylistically.
The one who I got hacked off with yesterday was Dembele...Paal was clearly getting a roasting, and he was just jogging back showing no real intent to support him at all.
As has been remarked on here before, of all our small in stature wide players, Smyth may be the most limited technically / offensively, but defensively he always puts in the proverbial shift. |  |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 12:15 - Apr 27 with 1347 views | Gus_iom |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 11:16 - Apr 27 by ngbqpr |
Isn't it just!
Just shows how easy it can be to (mis)judge someone's contribution, especially in the battle that is (ahem) the 'midfield engine room' cos one player looks languid verging on horizontal and the other all action and in yer face. Maybe Varane's more impressive stats reflect that he sits somewhere between the two stylistically.
The one who I got hacked off with yesterday was Dembele...Paal was clearly getting a roasting, and he was just jogging back showing no real intent to support him at all.
As has been remarked on here before, of all our small in stature wide players, Smyth may be the most limited technically / offensively, but defensively he always puts in the proverbial shift. |
Yeah, talking to Brian Mc on Friday, I said that Smyth would have been up there in my 'Player of the Season' reckoning.
Saito also works back pretty well, and pleasantly surprised me with how quickly he adapted to the physical demands of the championship | |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 12:54 - Apr 27 with 1247 views | Myke |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 09:04 - Apr 27 by nix |
I didn't mention it because it had zero to do with my point. Being able to hit one shot in a match has zero to do with attitudes and how you approach the game. It's nothing to do with picking up stupid bookings. Not being able to tackle after the stupid booking is how it affects the team.
Even so if I were evaluating his overall performance it's not good enough for your senior player to be much better once Chair and Frey were on. Varane had to do a lot more work because Colback didn't. And we were 3-0 down by half time and the game was lost. The hugely maligned Madsen managed as many tackles as Colback from AM playing half as long. If you think winning two duels of any description from DM in 90 minutes is good enough against Burnley then I don't know what to tell you.
Statistically the only worse performing QPR players over the season on Sofascore are the youth players Morgan and Lloyd. He's only managed one goal and one assist. The same number of penalties he's committed and red cards he's had. He's created zero big chances for anyone else. Once again Madsen has scored two, had three assists and created three big chances. Even defensively he only recovers 2.3 balls per match - Varane manages 4.6. Even Saito manages over three.
But my point was his attitude and that for a senior player is woeful. I'll give people a free pass in the heat of the moment but that ref, who was excellent I thought, gave him a chance to not get a booking. This is in a match when we have zero options off the bench. But no he had to shoot his mouth off. Brain dead. |
Very interesting points raised Nix. Just re-Colback, I think if you take away his 'playing on the edge' mentality then he becomes highly ineffective. This has been the case throughout his career. I'm not much of a man for stats, but I know without checking that he has been sent off numerous times and as for yellows... But that is how he plays and that is clearly not going to change now.
Nowadays he is a yard (or two) slower, but of course his mentality remains the same. This can be hugely frustrating , when his mouth rather than his fouls get him (and the team) into trouble - Sheffield United away was a classic example - but there have been numerous others, when he has engaged his mouth before his brain.
However, in terms of Championship experience, I feel he has still offered plenty this season, Preston last week is a pretty good example, of using his vast experience to affect a result. Obviously he couldn't have legislated for the stunning winner from Anderson, but he played a big part in dominating mid-field and getting us in control of the game, second half. Bristol City and Oxford, thought he was decent too.
Now whether he is worthy of a contract extension is a different matter. The way he plays, offering a physical presence, is obviously hampered by him slowing down. Whether Varane is ready to deputise on a full-time basis or having Colback around on reduced wages for one more season, would be beneficial, is up for debate. My own feeling is that the latter would be the way to go.
But at least Colback has had a decent career and while he can be incredibly frustrating, I would consider him more 'worthy' of a strop (with the ref or the manager) than Ashby who has done the square root of fook all imo. Definitely do not want to see him at the club next season. [Post edited 27 Apr 12:58]
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:00 - Apr 27 with 1225 views | kensalriser |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 10:01 - Apr 27 by dmm |
I've not read this thread so apologies if this has already been covered. I found the biggest difference between us and Burnley was the players' movement off the ball. When in possession, we looked almost static compared to Burnley who buzzed around looking for space and passing angles. We mainly stood around looking at the player in possession.
That's a bit of a caricature of the game, but that's how it looked to me. |
That's what most struck me. They moved so well as a unit and were able to find space almost at will (admittedly not difficult when overloading our left).
But movement and space has been a problem for us all season and I have to believe that's largely due to coaching, which is a big question mark against the managerial team. |  |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:01 - Apr 27 with 1215 views | derbyhoop |
I'm coming at this from NOT having seen the game - as yet.
Were we awful or were Burnley just so much better than us? |  |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:05 - Apr 27 with 1195 views | Myke |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:01 - Apr 27 by derbyhoop |
I'm coming at this from NOT having seen the game - as yet.
Were we awful or were Burnley just so much better than us? |
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| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:23 - Apr 27 with 1138 views | Paddyhoops |
There were parallels with the Newcastle game under Hasselbank but not many.
Not sure there was a lack of effort in that game just beaten by a team a complete class above us who have never been back to the championship and have thrive ever since.
Even with this team giving absolutely everything, it’s still two to three goals down at the end of the game.
No Saito or Smyth means exposed full back. A team containing Madsen and Dembele means a lower tackle rate . We were screwed from the kick off.
If that Burnley team and it’s a well drilled , hard working passing machine , rise 5 places in the football pyramid. I’ll be an astonished. | | | |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:45 - Apr 27 with 1033 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 12:54 - Apr 27 by Myke |
Very interesting points raised Nix. Just re-Colback, I think if you take away his 'playing on the edge' mentality then he becomes highly ineffective. This has been the case throughout his career. I'm not much of a man for stats, but I know without checking that he has been sent off numerous times and as for yellows... But that is how he plays and that is clearly not going to change now.
Nowadays he is a yard (or two) slower, but of course his mentality remains the same. This can be hugely frustrating , when his mouth rather than his fouls get him (and the team) into trouble - Sheffield United away was a classic example - but there have been numerous others, when he has engaged his mouth before his brain.
However, in terms of Championship experience, I feel he has still offered plenty this season, Preston last week is a pretty good example, of using his vast experience to affect a result. Obviously he couldn't have legislated for the stunning winner from Anderson, but he played a big part in dominating mid-field and getting us in control of the game, second half. Bristol City and Oxford, thought he was decent too.
Now whether he is worthy of a contract extension is a different matter. The way he plays, offering a physical presence, is obviously hampered by him slowing down. Whether Varane is ready to deputise on a full-time basis or having Colback around on reduced wages for one more season, would be beneficial, is up for debate. My own feeling is that the latter would be the way to go.
But at least Colback has had a decent career and while he can be incredibly frustrating, I would consider him more 'worthy' of a strop (with the ref or the manager) than Ashby who has done the square root of fook all imo. Definitely do not want to see him at the club next season. [Post edited 27 Apr 12:58]
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Good post, amazed that a few are piling in on Colback in particular after yesterday’s abysmal team performance forgetting that he has probably been our best player during the good mini run and he’s done well to compensate for the absence of Field. |  | | |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 15:16 - Apr 27 with 837 views | mart_Goblin |
| **BURNLEY MATCH THREAD** on 13:45 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Good post, amazed that a few are piling in on Colback in particular after yesterday’s abysmal team performance forgetting that he has probably been our best player during the good mini run and he’s done well to compensate for the absence of Field. |
Apologies , downvoted in error.
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