| Head of Set Pieces role 17:24 - May 6 with 4410 views | Rangersw12 |
Wasn't this one of the reasons why MC and CN fella out ?
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 00:27 - May 7 with 1655 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 19:50 - May 6 by Stanisgod |
You mean our brilliant tactic of hitting the first opposing player at corners isn't working ? |
Its working beautifully for the other team Stanisgod who immediatly have a breakaway and scoring oppertunity on most of our shocking bad atte,pts.
Ironically Madsen strikes a nice ball and once he took over from Paal things improved slightly but we are still pathetic really.
Cannot get enough of watching Arsenal they try all kinds of crazy stuff and its working like a charm |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 01:27 - May 7 with 1583 views | lave16 |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 00:27 - May 7 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Its working beautifully for the other team Stanisgod who immediatly have a breakaway and scoring oppertunity on most of our shocking bad atte,pts.
Ironically Madsen strikes a nice ball and once he took over from Paal things improved slightly but we are still pathetic really.
Cannot get enough of watching Arsenal they try all kinds of crazy stuff and its working like a charm |
Just to save anyone else having to Google it
A "Head of Methodology" is a role focused on developing, implementing, and overseeing the use of specific approaches or methods within a given context. | |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 03:50 - May 7 with 1517 views | bongo_king |
Nice idea on paper, but surely it has some major flaws.
1. If working across teams, it means we're likely to trial new set piece ideas in the youth and dev teams before rolling them out in the first team. So as an oppo championship scout, if I wanted to know what unique set pieces might occur then I'd watch the youth and dev games to get ideas.
2. This person might be highly confidential, but is the rest of the club, including coming and going players e.g. loans going to be as "confidential"
3. 40 hours a week just on this? Honestly?! Gonna look mighty silly when throws still don't clear the first man.
I can imagine Arsenal with their massive setup can afford to do something like this, but do we know if any champ teams do? (I'm doubtful) | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 05:55 - May 7 with 1435 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 20:22 - May 6 by Northernr |
This is one of the bones of contention between them and Cifuentes going back to last summer. They wanted to make this hire, he didn't - presumably because he felt he/Calm did that. |
A lot of clubs, if not most, now employ set piece coaches so it seems odd that this would contribute to a fall out.
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that these sort of hires are not a bad thing. You get a consistent level of coaching across the age groups (can't believe it would be 1st team only) and if the head coach goes you don't have to start again. | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 06:22 - May 7 with 1407 views | FDC |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 05:55 - May 7 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
A lot of clubs, if not most, now employ set piece coaches so it seems odd that this would contribute to a fall out.
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that these sort of hires are not a bad thing. You get a consistent level of coaching across the age groups (can't believe it would be 1st team only) and if the head coach goes you don't have to start again. |
Yeah as with a lot of this stuff it seems fairly progressive in principle. I'm also fairly sanguine about the personal attributes stuff, job descriptions are always full of this sort of nonsense.
There's discussion on another thread about the high turnover of managers. In that context it makes sense to try to embed some continuity across functions of the club, working to an agreed template. The days of long tenure managers managing all aspects of the club are gone.
However, and it is a big however, for that to work and be successful you do need someone somewhere overseeing the implementation of that template, and getting that person right is all the more critical.... 👀
Edit: and there will of course be tension between clubs like QPR trying to run this model and managers who see themselves as being responsible for aspects of the setup that have been identified as falling within the remit of other staff, such as a set pieces coach. Part of that tension is in the fact that their head is on the block if results on the pitch aren't good. On that basis, KPIs for the manager need to be clear, and communication between manager and DoF needs to be good. And so again, having the right person in that DoF role is critical.
Edit 2. And for *that* to be the case, you do need club owners who take an active interest in the running of the club, with oversight of where this complicated set up is or is not working.... [Post edited 7 May 6:28]
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 06:43 - May 7 with 1380 views | hoops_legend |
I do feel like the game is getting over engineered with roles like this becoming the norm. Surely the coaching team in general can have this covered?
Only so many times you can practise it and draw up plans |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 06:43 - May 7 with 1380 views | PunteR |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 06:22 - May 7 by FDC |
Yeah as with a lot of this stuff it seems fairly progressive in principle. I'm also fairly sanguine about the personal attributes stuff, job descriptions are always full of this sort of nonsense.
There's discussion on another thread about the high turnover of managers. In that context it makes sense to try to embed some continuity across functions of the club, working to an agreed template. The days of long tenure managers managing all aspects of the club are gone.
However, and it is a big however, for that to work and be successful you do need someone somewhere overseeing the implementation of that template, and getting that person right is all the more critical.... 👀
Edit: and there will of course be tension between clubs like QPR trying to run this model and managers who see themselves as being responsible for aspects of the setup that have been identified as falling within the remit of other staff, such as a set pieces coach. Part of that tension is in the fact that their head is on the block if results on the pitch aren't good. On that basis, KPIs for the manager need to be clear, and communication between manager and DoF needs to be good. And so again, having the right person in that DoF role is critical.
Edit 2. And for *that* to be the case, you do need club owners who take an active interest in the running of the club, with oversight of where this complicated set up is or is not working.... [Post edited 7 May 6:28]
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Edit 2, hits the nail on the head.
Edit 1 highlights the issue with a DoF . You've got a conflict of interest in that role ,balancing the books and keeping us competitive when you have no football knowledge ( but your good at balancing the books).
Any specific coach is a good thing , but has to report to the guy overseeing everything on the pitch.
Too many cooks spring to mind, and when the owners are not here you've got major issues. |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 07:10 - May 7 with 1324 views | Gus_iom |
What if the Head of Seat Pieces, in the defensive situation, wants to leave two up top to launch the quick counter, while the manager wants all back to block runners as the keeper is glued to the line? How far past the set piece does his remit go? I can see why a manager would oppose this. What does the head of set pieces actually know that the manager doesn't?
I seem to remember us having a head of set pieces before, to no discernible value. | | | |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 08:00 - May 7 with 1233 views | HammersmithR |
I don’t care who it is as long as I don’t have to spend another season watching Chair unable to hit his corner past the near post. | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 08:45 - May 7 with 1119 views | enfieldargh |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 21:00 - May 6 by Beejnewark |
Job spec says 'working across ALL QPR teams'.. would have to be reporting to the Head of Methodology, not just the First Team Head coach in that scenario. |
thing is with this working across all teams so the D Squad work on routines during a game say against Watford who the 1st team will be playing the following week.
Watford knowing that this is how QPR will play various set pieces means that Nourri decides its better the first team dont know about it so as not to give Watford a tactical advantage? |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 08:46 - May 7 with 1119 views | dm97 |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 07:10 - May 7 by Gus_iom |
What if the Head of Seat Pieces, in the defensive situation, wants to leave two up top to launch the quick counter, while the manager wants all back to block runners as the keeper is glued to the line? How far past the set piece does his remit go? I can see why a manager would oppose this. What does the head of set pieces actually know that the manager doesn't?
I seem to remember us having a head of set pieces before, to no discernible value. |
I think that’s a very normal conversation to have at a football club in 2025. There are no Ferguson’s anymore who have total authority. No real issue with the idea for me, like anything depends if they’re any good or not and *klaxon* do you trust this lot to appoint someone good?
Bigger issue is our club pleads poverty across the board - we cant do x, y, and z because FFP and the nasty lads in the prem, but we’ll hire Heads of Methodologies, Heads of Set Pieces, and the cast of Wicked no problem. |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:05 - May 7 with 1064 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 08:45 - May 7 by enfieldargh |
thing is with this working across all teams so the D Squad work on routines during a game say against Watford who the 1st team will be playing the following week.
Watford knowing that this is how QPR will play various set pieces means that Nourri decides its better the first team dont know about it so as not to give Watford a tactical advantage? |
Or they could just watch our previous first team games to see what set pieces we use (which every team does).
Difficult to find negatives with this: anyone who has watched our attacking set pieces for the last few years can tell we need to improve drastically in this area, especially as they mostly involve failing to clear the first man when trying to knock it into Jimmy Dunne who probably won’t be here next season. |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:17 - May 7 with 1021 views | Blue_Castello |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 08:46 - May 7 by dm97 |
I think that’s a very normal conversation to have at a football club in 2025. There are no Ferguson’s anymore who have total authority. No real issue with the idea for me, like anything depends if they’re any good or not and *klaxon* do you trust this lot to appoint someone good?
Bigger issue is our club pleads poverty across the board - we cant do x, y, and z because FFP and the nasty lads in the prem, but we’ll hire Heads of Methodologies, Heads of Set Pieces, and the cast of Wicked no problem. |
The second paragraph was my initial thoughts, where's all the money coming from for these coaches who don't come cheap, have we got a new investor, if not we should be trimming the coaching staff to make sure the budget is available for player retention and recruitment.
Theres no question these jobs are a nice to have but can we really afford extra coaches, it's like we are trying to achieve a Premiership set up without the money. | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:23 - May 7 with 1001 views | aston_hoop |
I'm no expert on football wages but would a set piece coach cost us significantly more than having a spare Nathan Sheppard knocking around the club as third choice keeper when we have plenty of young players who can fill that bench space every few months? Because I know what would bring more value |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:26 - May 7 with 991 views | R_from_afar |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 17:31 - May 6 by Dorse |
Do we still have an Equipment Monitorer? |
To save money, we have combined that role with that of milk monitor.  |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:33 - May 7 with 973 views | tkqpr |
It's getting like American Football.
The free kick taker will be shouting.......41......22.....41... |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:45 - May 7 with 919 views | E17hoop |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 21:03 - May 6 by Hunterhoop |
It’s not just that. Have you read the “Essential” Personal Qualities?!
It’s like he’s hiring for a cult. |
Just read them it's almost - and I may be very wrong here - he's calling out MC with 'bantz'.
They're asking for personal allegiance and self-regulation which go beyond the job. These traits aren't neutral; they imply cultural homogeneity and may exclude dissent or alternative thinking. |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:46 - May 7 with 916 views | BrianMcCarthy |
We've had a set piece coach before and I would view it as essential.
Agree with Gus, though, that you can't have a coach reporting to the CEO, but not to the Head Coach on first team matters. If you're the Head Coach all First-Team Coaches should report to you on first team matters.
This line from Gus nails it imo: "What if the Head of Seat Pieces, in the defensive situation, wants to leave two up top to launch the quick counter, while the manager wants all back to block runners as the keeper is glued to the line?" |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 09:54 - May 7 with 879 views | thehat |
I remember our set pieces under Terry Venables - Bloody brilliant they were. We seemed to have a new set piece routine every week. Not just corners but free kicks and throw ins too.
Arh they were the days...... | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:13 - May 7 with 825 views | daveB |
I'm not against having a set piece coach but it should be upto the manager if you have one for the 1st team, it feels at the moment like what does the manager do? He's not signing players, he's now not invovled with set pieces, his role is very limited |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:13 - May 7 with 825 views | robith |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 20:33 - May 6 by will16macgill |
Are we going to talk about how it says that the role reports to the CEO and Head of Methodology, and not the Head Coach?
Surely I can't be the only one that thinks this is a totally ludicrous set up? There's no way any self respecting manager would agree to that. |
I mean it's just stupid anyway to have a facet of play not have a connection to the coaching staff - who exactly are you making these set plays for.
This is going to get dirty |  | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:19 - May 7 with 787 views | Paddyhoops |
Arsenal do like a set piece and they don’t mind a long ball as was evident in their semi final against PSG.
Strange though, if it was “ Pint of wine “ big Sam doing this tactic . There would be widespread derision . | | | |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:30 - May 7 with 742 views | TheChef |
| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:13 - May 7 by daveB |
I'm not against having a set piece coach but it should be upto the manager if you have one for the 1st team, it feels at the moment like what does the manager do? He's not signing players, he's now not invovled with set pieces, his role is very limited |
He's a head coach.
Beep beep. |  |
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| Head of Set Pieces role on 10:59 - May 7 with 675 views | qprninja |
Remote working from Dubai preferred? |  | | |
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