| 20 mph on 14:53 - May 28 with 826 views | Kilkennyjack |
The roll out and comms were both poor.
Reviewing and adjusting was always part of the plan.
Very successful though …. Data for the first full quarter following introduction of the 20mph default speed limit in Wales have revealed a 32% reduction in casualties on restricted roads. This is the lowest figure on record for Welsh roads with 20mph and 30mph limits.
Apart from lives saved/protectec …..there are associated NHS savings and lower car insurance premiums.
Well done Drakers, proved the doubters wrong. |  |
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| 20 mph on 15:01 - May 28 with 815 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 14:53 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
The roll out and comms were both poor.
Reviewing and adjusting was always part of the plan.
Very successful though …. Data for the first full quarter following introduction of the 20mph default speed limit in Wales have revealed a 32% reduction in casualties on restricted roads. This is the lowest figure on record for Welsh roads with 20mph and 30mph limits.
Apart from lives saved/protectec …..there are associated NHS savings and lower car insurance premiums.
Well done Drakers, proved the doubters wrong. |
So it was part of the plan to use our money to put up 20 mph road signs only to take them down again don't be ridiculous. [Post edited 28 May 15:02]
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| 20 mph on 15:59 - May 28 with 741 views | blackswan |
| 20 mph on 14:53 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
The roll out and comms were both poor.
Reviewing and adjusting was always part of the plan.
Very successful though …. Data for the first full quarter following introduction of the 20mph default speed limit in Wales have revealed a 32% reduction in casualties on restricted roads. This is the lowest figure on record for Welsh roads with 20mph and 30mph limits.
Apart from lives saved/protectec …..there are associated NHS savings and lower car insurance premiums.
Well done Drakers, proved the doubters wrong. |
With so few people sticking to the ridiculously slow limit it is more likely that reduction is due to less use of vehicles due to the credit crunch.
The thing about statistics is they can be twisted to meet an agenda |  | | |
| 20 mph on 17:44 - May 28 with 700 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 14:53 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
The roll out and comms were both poor.
Reviewing and adjusting was always part of the plan.
Very successful though …. Data for the first full quarter following introduction of the 20mph default speed limit in Wales have revealed a 32% reduction in casualties on restricted roads. This is the lowest figure on record for Welsh roads with 20mph and 30mph limits.
Apart from lives saved/protectec …..there are associated NHS savings and lower car insurance premiums.
Well done Drakers, proved the doubters wrong. |
They mixed the stats for 20 and 30 together, why? The figures for lives saved is very low and possibly a lot more could have been saved if they'd brought it in sensibly, that is where the limits needed changing and then putting the extra millions towards getting waiting lists down
All Drakers has proved is he couldn't organise a good time in a brewery. | | | |
| 20 mph on 17:46 - May 28 with 691 views | controversial_jack |
It's been a huge success it cutting accidents, just like it has everywhere else that it's been done. Well done the Welsh govt | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:13 - May 28 with 677 views | Luther27 |
Principles always fly out of the window when there’s an election on the horizon eh. | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:24 - May 28 with 661 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 17:44 - May 28 by SullutaCreturned |
They mixed the stats for 20 and 30 together, why? The figures for lives saved is very low and possibly a lot more could have been saved if they'd brought it in sensibly, that is where the limits needed changing and then putting the extra millions towards getting waiting lists down
All Drakers has proved is he couldn't organise a good time in a brewery. |
Wrong.
‘Statistics published by Welsh Government today (30 January 2025) show that around 100 fewer people were killed or seriously injured on roads with 20mph and 30mph road speed limits in the 12-month period following the introduction of the 20mph default speed limit’.
So the change made then saved 100 people from death or serious injury.
Maybe 100 lives does notmatter too much to you, but it works for me.
As i said, both the roll out and supporting comms were poor.
However, you should thank Drakers for the good this change has made.
A statue of Drakers with a 20 sign outside the Senedd is the obvious next step. God bless Drakers. | |
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| 20 mph on 18:30 - May 28 with 655 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 15:01 - May 28 by Whiterockin |
So it was part of the plan to use our money to put up 20 mph road signs only to take them down again don't be ridiculous. [Post edited 28 May 15:02]
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Well yes, there would have been a forward budget agreed to change the signs if the real world impact was not as anticipated. Thats just common sense.
(Google the Truss budget if you are concerned about the waste of public monies).
Personally i would have preffered a welsh region by region roll out so successes could be shared and lessons learned. But obviously the longer you wait then the more people are killed or seriously injured. | |
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| 20 mph on 18:33 - May 28 with 656 views | onehunglow |
And looking outside my front door ,I also see 20 mph
Seems England exactly the same
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| 20 mph on 18:34 - May 28 with 656 views | raynor94 |
| 20 mph on 18:24 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Wrong.
‘Statistics published by Welsh Government today (30 January 2025) show that around 100 fewer people were killed or seriously injured on roads with 20mph and 30mph road speed limits in the 12-month period following the introduction of the 20mph default speed limit’.
So the change made then saved 100 people from death or serious injury.
Maybe 100 lives does notmatter too much to you, but it works for me.
As i said, both the roll out and supporting comms were poor.
However, you should thank Drakers for the good this change has made.
A statue of Drakers with a 20 sign outside the Senedd is the obvious next step. God bless Drakers. |
Drakers the man who has made sure Labour will lose power at the next election.
He has been an unmitigated disaster for Wales |  |
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| 20 mph on 18:46 - May 28 with 626 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| 20 mph on 18:34 - May 28 by raynor94 |
Drakers the man who has made sure Labour will lose power at the next election.
He has been an unmitigated disaster for Wales |
The devolved leaders are mercilessly trolled on line supported by the London based right wing press. He is not inspired but he not an unmitigated disaster for Wales. Wales people are nervous bunch and decline new laws until English people say it is OK. Once England follow Drakeford's lead they will calm down |  |
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| 20 mph on 18:49 - May 28 with 617 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 18:34 - May 28 by raynor94 |
Drakers the man who has made sure Labour will lose power at the next election.
He has been an unmitigated disaster for Wales |
Are you not happy that 100 lives have been save and the NHS has saved a fortune? | | | |
| 20 mph on 22:08 - May 28 with 518 views | majorraglan |
| 20 mph on 18:24 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Wrong.
‘Statistics published by Welsh Government today (30 January 2025) show that around 100 fewer people were killed or seriously injured on roads with 20mph and 30mph road speed limits in the 12-month period following the introduction of the 20mph default speed limit’.
So the change made then saved 100 people from death or serious injury.
Maybe 100 lives does notmatter too much to you, but it works for me.
As i said, both the roll out and supporting comms were poor.
However, you should thank Drakers for the good this change has made.
A statue of Drakers with a 20 sign outside the Senedd is the obvious next step. God bless Drakers. |
But the breakdown includes 20mph AND 30mph figures - it doesn’t distinguish between the two different limits. We need to see the breakdown of both areas and a direct comparison of the new 20mph areas v the old 30mph areas.
There’s a place for the 20mph limits, but imho not the way it’s been implemented. | | | |
| 20 mph on 22:20 - May 28 with 505 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 18:49 - May 28 by controversial_jack |
Are you not happy that 100 lives have been save and the NHS has saved a fortune? |
When they publish comparable data, rather than combine 20 and 30 mph zones, I'll start to draw conclusions. |  |
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| 20 mph on 22:31 - May 28 with 501 views | Luther27 |
| 20 mph on 18:46 - May 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The devolved leaders are mercilessly trolled on line supported by the London based right wing press. He is not inspired but he not an unmitigated disaster for Wales. Wales people are nervous bunch and decline new laws until English people say it is OK. Once England follow Drakeford's lead they will calm down |
He is or was a total disaster to say the least. An arrogant insufferable man who looked down his nose at the likes of me and you as being uneducated peasants if we had a singular thought that disagreed with his myopic views.
Politics is well rid of arrogance personified by that wretch. | | | |
| 20 mph on 23:01 - May 28 with 478 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 22:20 - May 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
When they publish comparable data, rather than combine 20 and 30 mph zones, I'll start to draw conclusions. |
100 lives saved since it's inception. Proof indeed | | | |
| 20 mph on 23:18 - May 28 with 464 views | max936 |
| 20 mph on 22:31 - May 28 by Luther27 |
He is or was a total disaster to say the least. An arrogant insufferable man who looked down his nose at the likes of me and you as being uneducated peasants if we had a singular thought that disagreed with his myopic views.
Politics is well rid of arrogance personified by that wretch. |
Absolutely 100% correct Luther, some can see it whilst others don't want to see it. |  |
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| 20 mph on 23:55 - May 28 with 450 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 18:34 - May 28 by raynor94 |
Drakers the man who has made sure Labour will lose power at the next election.
He has been an unmitigated disaster for Wales |
And yet still a better man than Johnson, Farage and Truss …. | |
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| 20 mph on 23:56 - May 28 with 449 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 18:46 - May 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The devolved leaders are mercilessly trolled on line supported by the London based right wing press. He is not inspired but he not an unmitigated disaster for Wales. Wales people are nervous bunch and decline new laws until English people say it is OK. Once England follow Drakeford's lead they will calm down |
Exactly.
You cannot buy Drakers. | |
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| 20 mph on 23:56 - May 28 with 447 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 23:01 - May 28 by controversial_jack |
100 lives saved since it's inception. Proof indeed |
Welsh Lives Matter …. | |
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| 20 mph on 06:11 - May 29 with 411 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 23:56 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Welsh Lives Matter …. |
All lives matter. | | | |
| 20 mph on 08:24 - May 29 with 362 views | lifelong |
| 20 mph on 23:18 - May 28 by max936 |
Absolutely 100% correct Luther, some can see it whilst others don't want to see it. |
What others don’t want to see, no matter what evidence is put in front of them, is that cutting speed limits to 20mph in built up areas reduces deaths and serious injuries on the road. |  | | |
| 20 mph on 08:38 - May 29 with 346 views | Boundy |
| 20 mph on 23:55 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
And yet still a better man than Johnson, Farage and Truss …. |
and you support a man who says publicly " "If you're asking me, if I had a blank sheet of paper and could just do the things I think needed to be done, we would have fewer hospitals in Wales. We have too many hospitals and too many beds."
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| 20 mph on 08:58 - May 29 with 319 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 08:24 - May 29 by lifelong |
What others don’t want to see, no matter what evidence is put in front of them, is that cutting speed limits to 20mph in built up areas reduces deaths and serious injuries on the road. |
The point that others don't want to see is that it's all about balance. Cutting the speed limit to 10 mph in some circumstances would save even more injuries and deaths. Nobody is against speed limits appropriate to the circumstances, what we are against is an ill thought out default speed limit of 20 mph which is now being reversed in some areas. The 20 mph introduction should have been researched properly and introduced where it was needed, not as a default to prove a point. It is one of the major contributions to the demise of Labour in Wales, they will lose power in the Senedd over this and it's their own fault. | | | |
| 20 mph on 09:17 - May 29 with 282 views | trampie |
| 20 mph on 08:58 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
The point that others don't want to see is that it's all about balance. Cutting the speed limit to 10 mph in some circumstances would save even more injuries and deaths. Nobody is against speed limits appropriate to the circumstances, what we are against is an ill thought out default speed limit of 20 mph which is now being reversed in some areas. The 20 mph introduction should have been researched properly and introduced where it was needed, not as a default to prove a point. It is one of the major contributions to the demise of Labour in Wales, they will lose power in the Senedd over this and it's their own fault. |
I'm all for the 20 mph speed limit particular outside schools, hospitals, shopping areas, care homes, etc and have no issue with it in built up areas with lots of houses about. |  |
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