| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 00:33 - May 31 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 21:20 - May 30 by max936 |
I'll say it again god help us if bReform get into power, things are bad now, but it'll be even worse if that clueless lot and especially their clueless leader get into power. |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 00:35 - May 31 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 21:50 - May 30 by majorraglan |
There are times when you post some very good points, but there are also times when your posting actually undermines the points you are drawing attention to. The thread you started about Starmer reversing Brexit is a good example. Starmer didn’t reverse Brexit, he signed a trade deal which lots of organisations and companies have welcomed because it makes it easier to trade with the EU. Why not title the thread Starmer signs trade deal or similar instead of goading and rubbing people up the wrong way? |
Why not put that point on the Starmer thread ? Just a thought …. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 00:36 - May 31 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 21:55 - May 30 by Luther27 |
Dear God….cant any of you understand why people vote Reform? Labour has lied their way to UK power. They have had 24 years in Wales and look at the state of us. The Tories abused the country in the absence of a credible opposition. Every major party has failed and delivered nothing but lies while we suffer.
Now do you understand why people are voting Reform. |
Only if you are an English nationalist, with little grasp on reality. [Post edited 31 May 0:37]
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 06:25 - May 31 with 649 views | majorraglan |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 00:35 - May 31 by Kilkennyjack |
Why not put that point on the Starmer thread ? Just a thought …. |
Because I’m following on from your reply to a point Gwyn made in this thread. |  | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 07:09 - May 31 with 618 views | Scotia |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 21:20 - May 30 by max936 |
I'll say it again god help us if bReform get into power, things are bad now, but it'll be even worse if that clueless lot and especially their clueless leader get into power. |
Yes I agree.
It's not just the leader who is clueless. Leicester City council now have two members of the cabinet in charge of a budget of nearly £650 million.
One is 21 and the other is 19, neither have had a "job". One is fresh from Uni after leaving a £50,000 a year public school. Both members of reform.
Reform party politicians we know about are bad enough, the candidates seem to be even worse. I dread to think who or what Wales will be voting for in May 26. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 07:53 - May 31 with 574 views | trampie |
I'm glad I've voted Plaid for decades, so i am not responsible for the Conservatives in Westminster over the years or Labour in the Senedd.
I would never vote Reform, i agree with Kilkenny on them, hope Plaid can win next year, they were the leading party in the last poll I seen, so it might just about be possible. |  |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:04 - May 31 with 559 views | trampie |
As regards Plaid attracting votes I would say they have got a good leader in that respect, but Leanne not standing and Adam possibly not making the cut might be a bit of a blow as they were strong well known politicians.
Plaid are still likely to struggle in very anglicised areas but if Plaid can win their heartlands and compete in some valley areas while Reform take votes off Labour and Conservatives then perhaps Plaid can win with about 25% (or even less than that) of the vote. [Post edited 31 May 8:05]
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:10 - May 31 with 535 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:04 - May 31 by trampie |
As regards Plaid attracting votes I would say they have got a good leader in that respect, but Leanne not standing and Adam possibly not making the cut might be a bit of a blow as they were strong well known politicians.
Plaid are still likely to struggle in very anglicised areas but if Plaid can win their heartlands and compete in some valley areas while Reform take votes off Labour and Conservatives then perhaps Plaid can win with about 25% (or even less than that) of the vote. [Post edited 31 May 8:05]
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My fear with Plaid is that they would team up with Labour after the Senedd elections to try and get a majority. All we would end up with then is the same horse as now just with a different jockey. |  | | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:12 - May 31 with 507 views | trampie |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:10 - May 31 by Whiterockin |
My fear with Plaid is that they would team up with Labour after the Senedd elections to try and get a majority. All we would end up with then is the same horse as now just with a different jockey. |
But Plaid would have the whip hand, that's the difference. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:25 - May 31 with 481 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:12 - May 31 by trampie |
But Plaid would have the whip hand, that's the difference. |
But surely Labour would want guarantees on some of their policies before agreeing. The time to tell will be when the manifestos come out early next year. Until then we are only guessing, including what Reform plan to do. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 09:05 - May 31 with 428 views | trampie |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 08:25 - May 31 by Whiterockin |
But surely Labour would want guarantees on some of their policies before agreeing. The time to tell will be when the manifestos come out early next year. Until then we are only guessing, including what Reform plan to do. |
If Plaid had the whip hand they would have the say, if Labour had some policies not dissimilar to Plaid no doubt Plaid would agree in that circumstance but if Plaid didn't like it (basically too Tory) I would think and hope Plaid would not accept it. [Post edited 31 May 9:08]
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:09 - May 31 with 369 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 22:03 - May 30 by majorraglan |
We live in a democracy and people can vote for whoever they like.
Farage is an astute politician, he’s pushing the narrative a lot of people want to hear, but the reality is at this moment in time wth 4 years before the next GE he can say what he likes because he’s in opposition and there’s no chance anything he’s saying at the moment will be implemented. He’s s tax pledges as nonsense, the numbers don’t stack up but to anyone that doesn’t have an eye for detail and doesn’t take an interest they sound good.
Farage is, in my opinion a slippery individual who isn’t to be trusted, but we can say that of most politicians. He’s anti EU, but takes a EU pension, ishis children have EU passports, but it’s hard to find out if he has an EU passport although there are reports he previously applied for German citizenship. He is also pro Trump . |
All of what you say is true and some of it is the same situation as Neil Kinnock, was against the Eu AND the house of lords and now gets a pension from both. The point being, it's politicians, they can't be trusted.
I just cannit vote for Farage and I'm surprosed so many people already have.
Given Kilkenny's repetition of "Wales has never voyted Tory" it would be the ultimate irony if Wales elected reform who are furhter right, even more of an unknown and have Nigel Farage, a trump acolyte and for my money (and solely my opinion) is a complete hypocrite and untrustworthy. I may be being unfair on him but, I don't think so, | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:17 - May 31 with 367 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 13:32 - May 30 by Gwyn737 |
It’s attitudes and comments like yours that are driving people to reform.
The way you belittle the background and intelligence of those who vote or are thinking about voting reform makes you an incredibly effective recruitment sergeant. |
The irony is of course that people like Kilks belittle the intelligence of others, whilst simultaneously being strongly in support of both Welsh independence and joining the EU.
It's like being pro-life whilst owning an abortion clinic. Madness to anyone with an ounce of rational thought capability. |  |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:28 - May 31 with 363 views | Gwyn737 |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:17 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
The irony is of course that people like Kilks belittle the intelligence of others, whilst simultaneously being strongly in support of both Welsh independence and joining the EU.
It's like being pro-life whilst owning an abortion clinic. Madness to anyone with an ounce of rational thought capability. |
I’ve mentioned that point before - for me the natural position for a person wanting an independent wales is to also be out of the EU.
For me, if your pro union its makes sense to be pro EU. It’s a bit simplistic I grant you but lots of the arguments are the same. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:46 - May 31 with 355 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:28 - May 31 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve mentioned that point before - for me the natural position for a person wanting an independent wales is to also be out of the EU.
For me, if your pro union its makes sense to be pro EU. It’s a bit simplistic I grant you but lots of the arguments are the same. |
What they are, above all things, is anti-English. That hate permeates their entire ideology, and it's a kind of hate as old as time, largely based on people wanting someone else to blame for their own failures in life. Whether it's Tribe A blaming Tribe B for their failed harvest or anti-Semites thinking that "The Jews" run everything, the targets may differ but the thought process behind it is the same.
It's certainly not about freedom and independence for Wales to Govern itself and make its own choices. As they've amply demonstrated, they'd bin that in a heartbeat to join the EU. It's about "Sticking it to the Saes", and nothing else. [Post edited 31 May 11:49]
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:52 - May 31 with 346 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:46 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
What they are, above all things, is anti-English. That hate permeates their entire ideology, and it's a kind of hate as old as time, largely based on people wanting someone else to blame for their own failures in life. Whether it's Tribe A blaming Tribe B for their failed harvest or anti-Semites thinking that "The Jews" run everything, the targets may differ but the thought process behind it is the same.
It's certainly not about freedom and independence for Wales to Govern itself and make its own choices. As they've amply demonstrated, they'd bin that in a heartbeat to join the EU. It's about "Sticking it to the Saes", and nothing else. [Post edited 31 May 11:49]
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I always smile at those wanting independence in Scotland and Wales saying that they must be part of the EU as they are the nearest trading body.
I wonder what they think the rest of the UK is in those terms. |  |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:54 - May 31 with 343 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:28 - May 31 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve mentioned that point before - for me the natural position for a person wanting an independent wales is to also be out of the EU.
For me, if your pro union its makes sense to be pro EU. It’s a bit simplistic I grant you but lots of the arguments are the same. |
Ah, there lies the problem, because I'm pro Union but I don't want to be inside the EU as the the EU stands. If it were only a trading bloc then yes but the political stuff, the empire building, I'm not in favour. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:55 - May 31 with 342 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:54 - May 31 by SullutaCreturned |
Ah, there lies the problem, because I'm pro Union but I don't want to be inside the EU as the the EU stands. If it were only a trading bloc then yes but the political stuff, the empire building, I'm not in favour. |
Exactly where I am. I'd vote to rejoin the EEC immediately. The EU can do one. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:03 - May 31 with 338 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:55 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
Exactly where I am. I'd vote to rejoin the EEC immediately. The EU can do one. |
And as the world stands, I am also strongly in favour of telling the USa they can leave NATO and have instead, a pan European defence organisation.
It's time the USA and people like Trump were marginalised, time Europe stood by itself. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:09 - May 31 with 334 views | Gwyn737 |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:54 - May 31 by SullutaCreturned |
Ah, there lies the problem, because I'm pro Union but I don't want to be inside the EU as the the EU stands. If it were only a trading bloc then yes but the political stuff, the empire building, I'm not in favour. |
I see it as a pay off. I'd go back in time iof things don't improve.
If there were more examples of us being forced to do things against out will I'd have been tempted to vote the other way.
Now with the problems it's caused, the money it's cost, the rise of MAGA, Russia and the chance of Farage I'm probably a bit more intrenched in thinking it was a mistake.
It goes without saying that opinions vary but more and more arguments are made about 'bad' politicians when they aren't rubbish per se but have different priorities. | | | |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:10 - May 31 with 332 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:03 - May 31 by SullutaCreturned |
And as the world stands, I am also strongly in favour of telling the USa they can leave NATO and have instead, a pan European defence organisation.
It's time the USA and people like Trump were marginalised, time Europe stood by itself. |
It's basically the only area where I am, reluctantly, in agreement with Trump.
The rest of NATO have skated by for years knowing full well that the US would step in if needed and bear the largest burden of the alliance. What he's asking from them is not unreasonable, and if I was a US taxpayer I would be wondering why I'm paying to support an organisation that generally looks down on me and my country whilst also expecting it to protect me if needed.
I'm reminded of the, possibly apocryphal, but still quite on point if true exchange between Charles De Gaulle and US Secretary of State Dean Rusk. When CdG was loudly demanding that all US troops be removed from France, Rusk enquired as to whether that meant the ones buried there also, which quietened CdG down a bit. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:19 - May 31 with 322 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:10 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
It's basically the only area where I am, reluctantly, in agreement with Trump.
The rest of NATO have skated by for years knowing full well that the US would step in if needed and bear the largest burden of the alliance. What he's asking from them is not unreasonable, and if I was a US taxpayer I would be wondering why I'm paying to support an organisation that generally looks down on me and my country whilst also expecting it to protect me if needed.
I'm reminded of the, possibly apocryphal, but still quite on point if true exchange between Charles De Gaulle and US Secretary of State Dean Rusk. When CdG was loudly demanding that all US troops be removed from France, Rusk enquired as to whether that meant the ones buried there also, which quietened CdG down a bit. |
The USA because of it's dominant position has been able to determine the course of events, now the US seems less interested in wars on the other side of the World. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:26 - May 31 with 306 views | union_jack |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 11:46 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
What they are, above all things, is anti-English. That hate permeates their entire ideology, and it's a kind of hate as old as time, largely based on people wanting someone else to blame for their own failures in life. Whether it's Tribe A blaming Tribe B for their failed harvest or anti-Semites thinking that "The Jews" run everything, the targets may differ but the thought process behind it is the same.
It's certainly not about freedom and independence for Wales to Govern itself and make its own choices. As they've amply demonstrated, they'd bin that in a heartbeat to join the EU. It's about "Sticking it to the Saes", and nothing else. [Post edited 31 May 11:49]
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:36 - May 31 with 287 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:19 - May 31 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The USA because of it's dominant position has been able to determine the course of events, now the US seems less interested in wars on the other side of the World. |
Trump is taking the US back to where it was in the 30's, with huge swathes of the population voicing isolationist sympathies. Making stuff themselves, not getting involved abroad. Bit of a personality cult around the Leader.
He and Kin-Jong Un probably get on famously. | |
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| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:42 - May 31 with 285 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform shatters Labour hold in key Carmarthenshire council seat ... on 12:10 - May 31 by Dr_Winston |
It's basically the only area where I am, reluctantly, in agreement with Trump.
The rest of NATO have skated by for years knowing full well that the US would step in if needed and bear the largest burden of the alliance. What he's asking from them is not unreasonable, and if I was a US taxpayer I would be wondering why I'm paying to support an organisation that generally looks down on me and my country whilst also expecting it to protect me if needed.
I'm reminded of the, possibly apocryphal, but still quite on point if true exchange between Charles De Gaulle and US Secretary of State Dean Rusk. When CdG was loudly demanding that all US troops be removed from France, Rusk enquired as to whether that meant the ones buried there also, which quietened CdG down a bit. |
I don't disagree when Trump says Europe needs to oay its way. it's not that which riles me. No, it's how he's palled up with Putin, how he;s treated Ukraine (though as the Oil and gas situation shows, Europe is culpable too) and now all these tariffs, Trump is a bully, he's not fit to lace many former presidents shoes, including Obama, FDR and Carter. he's a dangerous man and Europe needs to be united against danger.
Trump would sell Ukraine out (and has tried to) in the name of profit for the USA. He'd do the same to us and other Euro countries. We should stand up together and be counted now, send him the message that fine, the USa doesn't have to pay anything anymore, they can look after themselves.
The sooner the UK's armed fporces are brought back up to scratch, the better and ditto for all of Europe. Now is not the time to be weak, yet we are. | | | |
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