| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 14:01 - Jul 7 with 2312 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 11:29 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
On the proviso that Vipotnik does a hell of a lot more than he did last season I agree with this. Chances aren’t just created, the attacking player needs to play his part in enabling them. It’s no coincidence Routledge used to have lots of clear cut chances, intelligent players that time runs well usually do.
Completely with you on sharing the goals out. It’s much more sustainable than relying on one player. It’s also harder for opponents to prepare for. |
Personally for me Vipotnik is a concern, purely based on his effort last season. |  |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 14:49 - Jul 7 with 2221 views | guthrieintherain |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 14:01 - Jul 7 by KeithHaynes |
Personally for me Vipotnik is a concern, purely based on his effort last season. |
Has no anticipation not sure if you can coach that.
Personally I would rather keep Yates and sell Vip. |  |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 15:28 - Jul 7 with 2141 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 14:49 - Jul 7 by guthrieintherain |
Has no anticipation not sure if you can coach that.
Personally I would rather keep Yates and sell Vip. |
This is what I’ve been saying for months. People constantly blame other players for his inability to read play and make runs.
He either needs to improve dramatically or we need to get the kind of striker he is supposed to be in. The former would obviously be better but our coaching staff really have their work cut out.
Agree completely with you and Keith.
Not sure on Yates, but I think the style of football Sheehan wants to play will suit him better than Duffs or Williams’ | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 15:49 - Jul 7 with 2099 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 15:28 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
This is what I’ve been saying for months. People constantly blame other players for his inability to read play and make runs.
He either needs to improve dramatically or we need to get the kind of striker he is supposed to be in. The former would obviously be better but our coaching staff really have their work cut out.
Agree completely with you and Keith.
Not sure on Yates, but I think the style of football Sheehan wants to play will suit him better than Duffs or Williams’ |
Ive got a good feeling that sheehan and o'dea will sort vips inadequacies out. |  | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:20 - Jul 7 with 2047 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 15:49 - Jul 7 by Fireboy2 |
Ive got a good feeling that sheehan and o'dea will sort vips inadequacies out. |
We have to hope. He’d be decent if he could sort that out.
My concern though, is Sheehan was here all season, either as coach or manager and didn’t get very far with him. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:26 - Jul 7 with 2026 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:20 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
We have to hope. He’d be decent if he could sort that out.
My concern though, is Sheehan was here all season, either as coach or manager and didn’t get very far with him. |
Re your second paragraph, we, on paper, seem to have more attacking players for the new season, perhaps they will help out. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:32 - Jul 7 with 1997 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:26 - Jul 7 by Fireboy2 |
Re your second paragraph, we, on paper, seem to have more attacking players for the new season, perhaps they will help out. |
Without doubt. If Vipotnik plays exactly as he did last season, he should get more goals by virtue of us being more attacking and a better team.
If he does play like that, I’ll be comparing him to what a competent striker would have given us, rather than the Vip of last year.
If you’re right and Sheehan and O’Dea sort him out, we’re in for a cracking season. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:49 - Jul 7 with 1966 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:32 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
Without doubt. If Vipotnik plays exactly as he did last season, he should get more goals by virtue of us being more attacking and a better team.
If he does play like that, I’ll be comparing him to what a competent striker would have given us, rather than the Vip of last year.
If you’re right and Sheehan and O’Dea sort him out, we’re in for a cracking season. |
"If he does play like that, I’ll be comparing him to what a competent striker would have given us, rather than the Vip of last year."
Sounds more like you're planning to keep criticising him no matter what he does and you're getting the ground work in early TBH. |  |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:00 - Jul 7 with 1931 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:49 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
"If he does play like that, I’ll be comparing him to what a competent striker would have given us, rather than the Vip of last year."
Sounds more like you're planning to keep criticising him no matter what he does and you're getting the ground work in early TBH. |
Not at all.
If he’s atrocious again and he gets 10 goals instead of 7 by virtue of having better players around him, my opinion of him is going to be pretty similar to what it was last season.
Do you not think that is reasonable? | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:03 - Jul 7 with 1923 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 16:49 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
"If he does play like that, I’ll be comparing him to what a competent striker would have given us, rather than the Vip of last year."
Sounds more like you're planning to keep criticising him no matter what he does and you're getting the ground work in early TBH. |
From my point of view Vipotnik and Yates have shown us absolutely nothing to think that they could be decent strikers for us. Hopefully if they are with us this season Sheehan can do something with them and then I will give praise if it's due. It's not all about goals, Jordan Ayew is not a prolific goalscorer but his all round game meant he was continually picked for Premier League teams. Something like this would be a start and hopefully the goals would follow. |  | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:14 - Jul 7 with 1900 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:03 - Jul 7 by Whiterockin |
From my point of view Vipotnik and Yates have shown us absolutely nothing to think that they could be decent strikers for us. Hopefully if they are with us this season Sheehan can do something with them and then I will give praise if it's due. It's not all about goals, Jordan Ayew is not a prolific goalscorer but his all round game meant he was continually picked for Premier League teams. Something like this would be a start and hopefully the goals would follow. |
Absolutely correct.
Seven goals is not a disaster if you’re contributing to moves, bullying centre backs, creating chances for others etc.
If it’s all you do, you’re not really worth your place in the team. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:16 - Jul 7 with 1899 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:00 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
Not at all.
If he’s atrocious again and he gets 10 goals instead of 7 by virtue of having better players around him, my opinion of him is going to be pretty similar to what it was last season.
Do you not think that is reasonable? |
I think he could score 20 goals next season and your opinion wouldn't change because you'd then be claiming that this hypothetical "better" striker would have scored 25.
Can't fathom the mindset to be honest. I'd something I'd expect from Perchy rather than one of the smarter posters on here. | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:48 - Jul 7 with 1824 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:16 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
I think he could score 20 goals next season and your opinion wouldn't change because you'd then be claiming that this hypothetical "better" striker would have scored 25.
Can't fathom the mindset to be honest. I'd something I'd expect from Perchy rather than one of the smarter posters on here. |
No it would.
I was full of praise for him in his first two games under Sheehan when he looked a decent striker. I thought maybe it was Luke Williams after all, then he reverted to type and was as bad for the last ten games as he had been all season.
I’m looking for more than marginal gains from Vipotnik as he set the bar so low. If he triples his goal output, even if he does nothing else, then of course I’ll be happy. Similarly, if he only gets a few more, but dramatically improves his all round game, gets some assists, draws defenders out of channels for others to exploit etc, that will be great.
If he has the same season again, but scores a couple more goals (as I’m expecting Cullen, Ronald, Eom etc to do in a better team), that won’t be enough. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 19:13 - Jul 7 with 1701 views | RhonddaSwans |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:48 - Jul 7 by jack247 |
No it would.
I was full of praise for him in his first two games under Sheehan when he looked a decent striker. I thought maybe it was Luke Williams after all, then he reverted to type and was as bad for the last ten games as he had been all season.
I’m looking for more than marginal gains from Vipotnik as he set the bar so low. If he triples his goal output, even if he does nothing else, then of course I’ll be happy. Similarly, if he only gets a few more, but dramatically improves his all round game, gets some assists, draws defenders out of channels for others to exploit etc, that will be great.
If he has the same season again, but scores a couple more goals (as I’m expecting Cullen, Ronald, Eom etc to do in a better team), that won’t be enough. |
Vip was and still is better than Yates.
Jerry has a point to prove it is now or never , he pulls his bloody socks up or next year he will be back in league one. | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 23:01 - Jul 7 with 1490 views | sons_of_omri |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 10:19 - Jul 7 by Fireboy2 |
Yes, it seems like he wants to try and get the best out of every player he works with, I think its his demeanor, hes a very likeable bloke who gives everyone time and thats why he seems to get the best out of the players.
So glad that for 1 he wanted the job and 2 the owners gave it to him. |
His impact has been phenomenal and what you’re saying only backs that up. I was sceptical but he has what Martin and Williams couldn’t get - excellent man management skills.
His tactics were meat and drink to the players after what they suffered before so that
compounded that feel good factor for them. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 07:47 - Jul 8 with 1314 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 17:16 - Jul 7 by Dr_Winston |
I think he could score 20 goals next season and your opinion wouldn't change because you'd then be claiming that this hypothetical "better" striker would have scored 25.
Can't fathom the mindset to be honest. I'd something I'd expect from Perchy rather than one of the smarter posters on here. |
It's been a while
You ok Jamie, me ol mucker?
Opinions eh
People disagree with you sometimes
Most of the time , we are on the same page
Uncomfortable O know
Have a wondrous day | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 07:49 - Jul 8 with 1310 views | onehunglow |
Bottom line
NONE of our strikers , thus far, are up to much
We hope they get better
That simple | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 08:07 - Jul 8 with 1272 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 19:13 - Jul 7 by RhonddaSwans |
Vip was and still is better than Yates.
Jerry has a point to prove it is now or never , he pulls his bloody socks up or next year he will be back in league one. |
What are you basing that on mate?
I’ve seen plenty of vague statements ‘I’ve seen something in him, I rate him etc’ and plenty of blaming other people, but I’ve yet to see anyone explain what he actually contributes.
Having a powerful shot isn’t enough. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 09:40 - Jul 8 with 1147 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 08:07 - Jul 8 by jack247 |
What are you basing that on mate?
I’ve seen plenty of vague statements ‘I’ve seen something in him, I rate him etc’ and plenty of blaming other people, but I’ve yet to see anyone explain what he actually contributes.
Having a powerful shot isn’t enough. |
Here's where I am
Ideally , I'd ship out Yate and VIP
But, we probably won't so hoping both prove us wrong
I'd rather some bitchy exchanges on here over who was right or wrong if it meant both up their game
VIP has a thunderous shot and can finish , his heading ability is woeful as is his anticipation in the box . This Sheehan could improve
With Jerry, I'm not so sure
Anyway, I'm hoping we all stay around for yet another season of blood and guts and beer | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 10:03 - Jul 8 with 1113 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 09:40 - Jul 8 by onehunglow |
Here's where I am
Ideally , I'd ship out Yate and VIP
But, we probably won't so hoping both prove us wrong
I'd rather some bitchy exchanges on here over who was right or wrong if it meant both up their game
VIP has a thunderous shot and can finish , his heading ability is woeful as is his anticipation in the box . This Sheehan could improve
With Jerry, I'm not so sure
Anyway, I'm hoping we all stay around for yet another season of blood and guts and beer |
Sheehan has had a season with him and he still can’t do the fundamentals. That’s not a knock at Sheehan.
Despite my opinion on him, I’d actually rather he stay than Yates, simply because Cullen can do what Yates does and quite possibly Bobby Wales can too. I actually think Yates will do better under Sheehan if he plays, just think we already have that role covered.
Ideally, I’d like us to bring in a first choice number nine and use Vipotnik from the bench or as an understudy. I’m not completely giving up on him, but he needs to show so much more than he has so far. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 10:14 - Jul 8 with 1087 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 10:03 - Jul 8 by jack247 |
Sheehan has had a season with him and he still can’t do the fundamentals. That’s not a knock at Sheehan.
Despite my opinion on him, I’d actually rather he stay than Yates, simply because Cullen can do what Yates does and quite possibly Bobby Wales can too. I actually think Yates will do better under Sheehan if he plays, just think we already have that role covered.
Ideally, I’d like us to bring in a first choice number nine and use Vipotnik from the bench or as an understudy. I’m not completely giving up on him, but he needs to show so much more than he has so far. |
Hard to argue with that
Hard to argue with much these days so glad to be off to the north east this week for a short holiday
Plenty of Mackems and Geordies who love an argument | |
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| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 11:20 - Jul 8 with 998 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 10:03 - Jul 8 by jack247 |
Sheehan has had a season with him and he still can’t do the fundamentals. That’s not a knock at Sheehan.
Despite my opinion on him, I’d actually rather he stay than Yates, simply because Cullen can do what Yates does and quite possibly Bobby Wales can too. I actually think Yates will do better under Sheehan if he plays, just think we already have that role covered.
Ideally, I’d like us to bring in a first choice number nine and use Vipotnik from the bench or as an understudy. I’m not completely giving up on him, but he needs to show so much more than he has so far. |
Tbf sheehan had only 3 and a bit months with him after williams was sacked. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 11:36 - Jul 8 with 961 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 11:20 - Jul 8 by Fireboy2 |
Tbf sheehan had only 3 and a bit months with him after williams was sacked. |
He was here as a coach before that. Arguably he would have had more chance to work on individual weaknesses then. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 12:48 - Jul 8 with 853 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 11:36 - Jul 8 by jack247 |
He was here as a coach before that. Arguably he would have had more chance to work on individual weaknesses then. |
Perhaps he didnt get much chance to coach seeing as sheehan was here before williams and his team came. | | | |
| Swansea City Part One. Jay Fulton revelations and do the club need a striker ? on 13:12 - Jul 8 with 797 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Fulton is not a Swansea player. Swansea players should be sharp with quick feet and sharp minds. Fulton is slow ponderous a centre half playing midfield. Swansea were seriously over run many times with Grimes and Fulton as f defensive midfielders
On his biggest match at Wembley he trod on the ball by accident and got himself a red card for being clumsy. Franco is a good DMF as he is quick and alert as well as strong.
Cooper left Bennett and Fulton on huge wages. He left no legacy. |  |
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