| Dunne new captain 16:20 - Jul 13 with 6117 views | QPunkR |
Just saw it on the socials. Thoughts? |  |
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| Dunne new captain on 09:30 - Jul 14 with 1845 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Dunne new captain on 08:13 - Jul 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Alternatively, how can folk not entertain the realistic possibility that taking the captaincy from someone will not have negative consequences. |
Totally agree, Bazza. I remain perplexed by the treatment of Steve Cook both by the club and by some of the fans. Talk about taking a player of excellent quality, commitment and reliability for granted. The way the club worded that press release about his contract renewal was petty, churlish and demotivating. Now they take the captaincy away from him. Anyone would think he was triggering the extension clause by turning up to prat about in some meaningless game rather than put his body on the line in a relegation battle.
It's shoddy how Cook has been treated compared to some of the total chancers we've had go through this club.
I don't agree with it, I don't think it's a good look and I can imagine it will shoot us in the foot when the young defenders all lose form / get injured and we are a long way up north with no one to get their balding bonce on to it. |  | | |
| Dunne new captain on 09:56 - Jul 14 with 1730 views | ChrisNW6 |
Great choice, as it's unlikely Cook and JCS will be fit for long periods at the same time. Really need to see how we line up for the first few games to understand, where Jimmy plays. Think I would prefer him in a back three or right back until we get key players fit. |  | | |
| Dunne new captain on 10:04 - Jul 14 with 1697 views | Andybrat |
| Dunne new captain on 09:56 - Jul 14 by ChrisNW6 |
Great choice, as it's unlikely Cook and JCS will be fit for long periods at the same time. Really need to see how we line up for the first few games to understand, where Jimmy plays. Think I would prefer him in a back three or right back until we get key players fit. |
Great choice, all I know is we need Cook fit also. People go on about his age but same age as Van Dyke, the position where you want that experience to support the younger guys. If fit he would be one of my 1st Ames on the sheet. Note he is doing his coaching badges as well. He’s not old, I am. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 10:08 - Jul 14 with 1684 views | QPRSam |
Don't think you'll find many other players that epitomises QPR like Jimmy. Great choice for me and I think it makes sense as Cook playing out a 46 game season seems very slim at this point. I'm sure there will still be a leadership group with Cook, Chair, Field that will help out.
For any Perpignan travelers this week, the old man may have have printed out 50 odd Jimmy Dunne masks so look out for that on game day. Should be good fun | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 10:17 - Jul 14 with 1651 views | daveB |
A huge sign that Cook won't be first choice, I find the way we announced his contract and dumping him as captain all a bit odd really and disrespectful but a new manager is likely to want his own captain so no real issues with it and Dunne is a good choice |  | | |
| Dunne new captain on 12:02 - Jul 14 with 1521 views | MedwayR |
My only concern with this is resilience, in the past when we've been poor Dunne has let his head drop and suffered a lack of confidence as much as anyone, I'd like to think he won't allow that to happen now that he's older, hopefully wiser, and in a leadership role. |  |
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| Dunne new captain on 13:03 - Jul 14 with 1390 views | wombat |
| Dunne new captain on 12:02 - Jul 14 by MedwayR |
My only concern with this is resilience, in the past when we've been poor Dunne has let his head drop and suffered a lack of confidence as much as anyone, I'd like to think he won't allow that to happen now that he's older, hopefully wiser, and in a leadership role. |
im not sure where the cook is injry prone has come from ? he had a spell out due to a injury caused by over training it seems until then was pretty much ever present , club look like they dont want him here from the statement sounds familiar to a ex manager ? |  |
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| Dunne new captain on 13:30 - Jul 14 with 1311 views | Blue_Castello |
| Dunne new captain on 10:17 - Jul 14 by daveB |
A huge sign that Cook won't be first choice, I find the way we announced his contract and dumping him as captain all a bit odd really and disrespectful but a new manager is likely to want his own captain so no real issues with it and Dunne is a good choice |
Surely the issue with Steve Cook is the plantar fascitis condition that he has developed which will presumably mean if he's going to play we will have to very carefully manage his workload in training and he can't be expected to be available for all the games so again we have to manage which games he is available for selection.
Hopefully with sensible management we will get a decent number of games with Cook in the team, fingers crossed because he is still an important player for our defence. [Post edited 14 Jul 13:52]
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| Dunne new captain on 13:50 - Jul 14 with 1263 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
My prediction for Cook (and Nardi incidentally):
We‘ll hit a bit of bad form or a glut of injuries and he‘ll be recalled Clint Hill style to save the day.
Now I don’t know the man, but if that happens we‘ll have to address the fact that we have fcked him off twice:
1) With that lukewarm at best contract announcement
2) Removing the captaincy
Please don’t mistake this as criticism of Dunne who will be an excellent captain, or me ignoring the possibility that this is all planned and consensual.
But in my uninformed opinion (this is a football forum after all) it all feels very unnecessary. I don’t want to be the club that removes the captaincy just because someone gets an injury or triggers a contract extension, or frankly even because someone else is more available.
This is especially true of Cook who probably kept is in the division for two seasons running. |  | | |
| Dunne new captain on 13:58 - Jul 14 with 1230 views | Blue_Castello |
| Dunne new captain on 13:50 - Jul 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
My prediction for Cook (and Nardi incidentally):
We‘ll hit a bit of bad form or a glut of injuries and he‘ll be recalled Clint Hill style to save the day.
Now I don’t know the man, but if that happens we‘ll have to address the fact that we have fcked him off twice:
1) With that lukewarm at best contract announcement
2) Removing the captaincy
Please don’t mistake this as criticism of Dunne who will be an excellent captain, or me ignoring the possibility that this is all planned and consensual.
But in my uninformed opinion (this is a football forum after all) it all feels very unnecessary. I don’t want to be the club that removes the captaincy just because someone gets an injury or triggers a contract extension, or frankly even because someone else is more available.
This is especially true of Cook who probably kept is in the division for two seasons running. |
Its all guesswork nobody knows, we do know that Jimmy is good friends with Steve and that he gave him his support at the team meeting when it was announced.
I go back to my previous post because I think this is more to do with his injury and Steve knows he could be unavailable quite a lot, who knows it may well have been Steve's idea to give Jimmy the captaincy. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 14:01 - Jul 14 with 1214 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Dunne new captain on 13:58 - Jul 14 by Blue_Castello |
Its all guesswork nobody knows, we do know that Jimmy is good friends with Steve and that he gave him his support at the team meeting when it was announced.
I go back to my previous post because I think this is more to do with his injury and Steve knows he could be unavailable quite a lot, who knows it may well have been Steve's idea to give Jimmy the captaincy. |
Are we going to remove the captaincy from Dunne if he gets injured? Are we going to remove the captaincy from everyone who gets injured? | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 14:05 - Jul 14 with 1198 views | Blue_Castello |
| Dunne new captain on 14:01 - Jul 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Are we going to remove the captaincy from Dunne if he gets injured? Are we going to remove the captaincy from everyone who gets injured? |
Jeez that's not the point, the injury condition Steve has is not good have a read on the Internet, it's supposed to have complete rest for months.
No we are not going to remove the captaincy from Jimmy if he gets injured, they are planning ahead for the season and quite possibly making a very sensible decision which may well have been Steve Cooks idea in the first place. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 14:08 - Jul 14 with 1185 views | Stainrod |
Hopefully the club spoke to Cook and said it was no reflection on him but that his game time needs to be managed and we want a captain out there on the pitch week in week out. it would have been nice if the club announcement could have included thanks and a positive line about Cook's value to the club the season ahead. None of this takes away from Jimmy being made capt is an excellent appointment. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 14:10 - Jul 14 with 1172 views | wombat |
| Dunne new captain on 13:58 - Jul 14 by Blue_Castello |
Its all guesswork nobody knows, we do know that Jimmy is good friends with Steve and that he gave him his support at the team meeting when it was announced.
I go back to my previous post because I think this is more to do with his injury and Steve knows he could be unavailable quite a lot, who knows it may well have been Steve's idea to give Jimmy the captaincy. |
in the old days , yes im old the players decided it themselves who was captain for the following season | |
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| Dunne new captain on 14:10 - Jul 14 with 1175 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Dunne new captain on 14:05 - Jul 14 by Blue_Castello |
Jeez that's not the point, the injury condition Steve has is not good have a read on the Internet, it's supposed to have complete rest for months.
No we are not going to remove the captaincy from Jimmy if he gets injured, they are planning ahead for the season and quite possibly making a very sensible decision which may well have been Steve Cooks idea in the first place. |
I don’t get your point then. Sorry.
I thought you were saying Steve Cook may have handed it over voluntarily because he is injured or has a lingering injury.
I‘m saying that’s mental, even if it’s true, which it won’t be. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 14:24 - Jul 14 with 1127 views | QPRSam |
| Dunne new captain on 14:05 - Jul 14 by Blue_Castello |
Jeez that's not the point, the injury condition Steve has is not good have a read on the Internet, it's supposed to have complete rest for months.
No we are not going to remove the captaincy from Jimmy if he gets injured, they are planning ahead for the season and quite possibly making a very sensible decision which may well have been Steve Cooks idea in the first place. |
Yeah that injury isn't great at all, I think it's the perfect time really, Cook being around for the year can help with the transition. You want your captain to be available and with Jimmy playing every minute available last season is there any better choice?
I think it's wild for some to claim Cook would be upset with any of this, what has he shown in his time here other than being the absolute professional? We're not dealing with a petulant character and it's already said this was done with his support. It won't make him any less of a leader and there is still the leadership group with Field and Chair. I think we'll be alright | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 20:44 - Jul 14 with 922 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Dunne new captain on 16:25 - Jul 13 by QPunkR |
I think Jimmy's the perfect captain for this Club but just wonder what him getting the armband might leave Field and Cook feeling |
Cook unlikely to play a significant number of games now and Field not vocal enough,
Think he will be a great captain. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 20:49 - Jul 14 with 912 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Dunne new captain on 14:24 - Jul 14 by QPRSam |
Yeah that injury isn't great at all, I think it's the perfect time really, Cook being around for the year can help with the transition. You want your captain to be available and with Jimmy playing every minute available last season is there any better choice?
I think it's wild for some to claim Cook would be upset with any of this, what has he shown in his time here other than being the absolute professional? We're not dealing with a petulant character and it's already said this was done with his support. It won't make him any less of a leader and there is still the leadership group with Field and Chair. I think we'll be alright |
'I think it's wild for some to claim Cook would be upset with any of this'
No one has done this. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 21:24 - Jul 14 with 874 views | Stainrod |
The classy thing would have been to make Cook club captain and Dunne team capt. From the fog of memory I think Glen Roeder was given this title when Fenwick became capt (and incidentally replaces him in the team as well I think). | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 00:15 - Jul 15 with 766 views | Match82 |
| Dunne new captain on 18:44 - Jul 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He’ll be a good captain but a bit cntish on Cook I think.
If I had a negative outlook I’d wonder if this is revenge for having the temerity to fulfill his contract and not fcking off kindly.
This isn’t this kind of club I’d want QPR to be if it was. |
A much simpler explanation is that they expect Dunne to play most games this year and don't expect Cook to |  | | |
| Dunne new captain on 00:53 - Jul 15 with 746 views | QPRSam |
| Dunne new captain on 20:49 - Jul 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
'I think it's wild for some to claim Cook would be upset with any of this'
No one has done this. |
"Alternatively, how can folk not entertain the realistic possibility that taking the captaincy from someone will not have negative consequences."
What are the negative consequences? He'll have a sulk? | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 01:37 - Jul 15 with 726 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Dunne new captain on 00:53 - Jul 15 by QPRSam |
"Alternatively, how can folk not entertain the realistic possibility that taking the captaincy from someone will not have negative consequences."
What are the negative consequences? He'll have a sulk? |
I think that’s a stretch to say I was suggesting Cook would sulk because that wasn’t what I was getting at.
I‘d imagine he‘ll just get on with it.
But will he (or any player) be more or less inclined to pull for the club under the circumstances DaveB outlined?
If it’s a planned handover then I take it all back. But it’s not likely given the way the club conduct relationships nowadays is it? | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 05:09 - Jul 15 with 656 views | numptydumpty |
| Dunne new captain on 01:37 - Jul 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think that’s a stretch to say I was suggesting Cook would sulk because that wasn’t what I was getting at.
I‘d imagine he‘ll just get on with it.
But will he (or any player) be more or less inclined to pull for the club under the circumstances DaveB outlined?
If it’s a planned handover then I take it all back. But it’s not likely given the way the club conduct relationships nowadays is it? |
You are reading way too much into this.
Cook is an excellent professional and when he plays, he will give everything for the shirt, and be the same leader on the pitch he always has been.
Whatever, you believe, he is less likely, one to be a guaranteed starter, we now have several excellent young centre backs in place and obviously his age and this injury he has.
He will also realise his time is short but,also what you also not taking into account, he was rumoured to be the highest earner at the club on £30k a week. We had to extend his contract by a year and if its at this wage still, am sure its likely to be the most expensive player in the squad and he will know himself, he will not be the most important any longer.
He is a professional. He understands the game. Am sure all this, he is aware of.
You are being IMHO unbelievably negative about this and your reasons dont add up.
Its a good choice re Dunne and Cook, happy to be the highest earner will be with him and support him every step of the way.
If he wasn't, I would be questioning his character, which is never anything would lay at Cooks door.
Can't understand your thinking around this Bazza...
Cook is a solid pro and team man.
A captain in cricket is key. Determines field settings and who bowls etc. In football, sometimes you can have three or four captains on the field of play. Its not as key to playing etc.
If Cook was to feel aggrieved by this decision he is not the man I thought he was.
Sounds like you personally would be aggrieved if you were in Cooks position. I extremely doubt he will be though. |  |
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| Dunne new captain on 08:31 - Jul 15 with 562 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Dunne new captain on 05:09 - Jul 15 by numptydumpty |
You are reading way too much into this.
Cook is an excellent professional and when he plays, he will give everything for the shirt, and be the same leader on the pitch he always has been.
Whatever, you believe, he is less likely, one to be a guaranteed starter, we now have several excellent young centre backs in place and obviously his age and this injury he has.
He will also realise his time is short but,also what you also not taking into account, he was rumoured to be the highest earner at the club on £30k a week. We had to extend his contract by a year and if its at this wage still, am sure its likely to be the most expensive player in the squad and he will know himself, he will not be the most important any longer.
He is a professional. He understands the game. Am sure all this, he is aware of.
You are being IMHO unbelievably negative about this and your reasons dont add up.
Its a good choice re Dunne and Cook, happy to be the highest earner will be with him and support him every step of the way.
If he wasn't, I would be questioning his character, which is never anything would lay at Cooks door.
Can't understand your thinking around this Bazza...
Cook is a solid pro and team man.
A captain in cricket is key. Determines field settings and who bowls etc. In football, sometimes you can have three or four captains on the field of play. Its not as key to playing etc.
If Cook was to feel aggrieved by this decision he is not the man I thought he was.
Sounds like you personally would be aggrieved if you were in Cooks position. I extremely doubt he will be though. |
‘You are reading way too much into this‘
You are writing way too much into this. | | | |
| Dunne new captain on 11:31 - Jul 15 with 410 views | Hoopsie |
We are all reading way too much
If cook is made captain, some will think why a player that is not going to play regularly be made captain on the pitch
We don’t know, Cook could be playing day in day out, so
Dunne is a good choice, he is at the club longer, relates better to the players and maybe the club is thinking longer term
Dunne, Cook, Field, Chair - if any of one of them is made captain I don’t think the fanbase will disagree. To me they are all captain material on and off the pitch |  |
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