| Reform Policies 18:44 - Jul 13 with 3817 views | johnlangy |
They haven't come out with many actual policies but the one that's easiest to remember is raising the tax threshold to £20,000. It's a laudable thing to aspire to as it would benefit the lowest paid the most. As well as that idea, the way Farage and Tice and all the rest of them are talking it's as if they're saying ‘vote us in and there’ll be a revolution’. The British people will finally get what they’ve been demanding for so long and which Labour and the Conservatives never delivered.
It's such an easy thing to say and I believe they're saying it knowing that there'd be a huge number of people whose knee jerk reaction would be positive. They'd be about £1500 a year better off and many wouldn't think past that.
We can all agree there's not much money around and the UK is in an incredibly difficult financial situation. And whatever party is in Government they would have a hell of a job on their hands.
So, let's imagine Reform are in power now and not Labour. And this tax cut is their flagship policy. We know that Labour have claimed that a major problem they've had to deal with is the £20 billion black hole they claim the Conservatives left (accurate or not that's what they say).
The black hole created in the countries tax revenue of raising the threshold to £20,000 is £51 billion a year. But, to give them the benefit of the doubt let’s imagine that Reform would say we can't afford to do it in one go. People would probably accept the logic of that - initially.
So they may say we'll do it in three chunks - from £12,500 to £15,000 then £17,500 and then £20,000. The first rise would put an extra £500 in people's pockets. That’s £10 a week. And let’s say they had to wait for another year for another £10 and another year for the last £10. People would say, hang on Nige, this isn't a revolution. You gave us the impression that you could just push a few buttons and our lives would change.
And then they'd say, in the parallel universe where Labour are in power, we got a 6.7% rise (National Living Wage). So how is this better Nige ?
So they've implemented the first rise but now they've got a £17 billion black hole in the finances. And this is a REAL black hole. So what are they going to do.
Which brings me to the second part of the thread. Nigel and Richard and all of them are also incredibly critical of the spend on welfare. And without saying what they are going to do they've implied that they will be ruthless in that area.
We all know what happened to Labour with the WFA cut and the proposed reform of PIP. There may be some people on this site who thought those cuts were a good idea but from memory the vast majority of you didn't. And the vast majority of the country disagreed as well.
I heard a discussion on Talk Radio a few days ago between Jeremy Kyle and Richard Tice (a brief digression - Jeremy Kyle has to be the most useless excuse for a broadcaster in the history of British radio. It's as if a ten year old is speaking through a man's body - just awful).
Anyway, the bloke who had called in, a Reform voter, was talking about the above cuts and he was criticising Labour for having given in to the 'BLOB' in dropping the plans. And Richard Tice was laughing and agreeing with him, happy it seemed that the guy was on his side. He agreed that Labour should not have given in to the ‘BLOB’, that they should have stuck to their guns. By saying that he was implying that Reform, if they were in power, would have carried on with the cuts.
The savings from those cuts would have come to maybe £5 billion I believe. So can anyone explain where they would save the extra £17 billion from their tax cuts in the first year. And in the second year the £34 billion ? And in the third year the £51 billion ?
Would it all be from the benefits bill ? The total benefits bill this year is £303 billion. Of that £138 billion is the State Pension and an enormous part of the rest is paid out to people actually in work. If you add the two together that would leave maybe £100 billion in other benefits. Are Reform going to cut that £100 billion by £51 billion ?
Going back to the phone in, the 'BLOB' is a word that's been used mainly against the Civil Service (not just the CS but mainly) saying that they actively work against the Government implementing their policies.
But in this case the people disagreeing with the Government were millions of ordinary people disgusted at the policies. Also their MP's and just about all the media. And here we have Richard Tice laughing at the 'BLOB' which in this case would include millions of the people who he would hope would vote Reform.
But I doubt if those millions would have been listening to that phone in and hearing the disdain that Tice had for them. A pity because if they did there’d be no way Reform would ever get in to power.
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| Reform Policies on 20:40 - Jul 23 with 787 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Policies on 19:56 - Jul 22 by union_jack |
Also amazing how those going from Labour to Plaid don’t realise they are giving their countenance to Independence. PC may say they’re not ready at the moment but more people voting for them may give them the confidence to call a referendum. They’re not to be trusted. |
This is where using your freedom of speech comes in. O have personally communicated with Rhun Ap Iorwerth and told him that while I intend to vot for him, as far as I'm concerned independence is a bad idea and I would vote against it. I gave a few reasons why.
He responded, acknowledged my opinions and maybe that's what people need to do.
Thing is, people are calling Plaid a bit loony but from what I have seen and read Reform are by far the loopiest choice.
I can tell you that ap Iorwerth agreed that South East Wales gets too much funding and there is a desperate need to invest in the rest of Wales. | | | |
| Reform Policies on 23:01 - Jul 23 with 725 views | ItchySphincter |
| Reform Policies on 20:40 - Jul 23 by SullutaCreturned |
This is where using your freedom of speech comes in. O have personally communicated with Rhun Ap Iorwerth and told him that while I intend to vot for him, as far as I'm concerned independence is a bad idea and I would vote against it. I gave a few reasons why.
He responded, acknowledged my opinions and maybe that's what people need to do.
Thing is, people are calling Plaid a bit loony but from what I have seen and read Reform are by far the loopiest choice.
I can tell you that ap Iorwerth agreed that South East Wales gets too much funding and there is a desperate need to invest in the rest of Wales. |
Voting for Brexit and Plaid is completely and utterly incoherent. Complete lunacy. Please tell us if you’ve changed your mind re Brexit as at least it will stop your pontificating seeming so foolish. |  |
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| Reform Policies on 00:06 - Jul 24 with 687 views | DJack |
I'm not pushing for the Green Party but he's got a point...
⏳Final week to sign up to the Green Party.
🗳️ Vote for Bold Leadership on August 1st. — Zack Polanski (@zackpolanski.bsky.social) 2025-07-23T06:46:20.467Z
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| Reform Policies on 17:40 - Jul 24 with 597 views | KeithHaynes |
Didn’t really work in the north when the greens put in Muslim candidates to get the votes, then as soon as they got in a lot went independent. Bigger picture for me there is there’s something happening. |  |
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| Reform Policies on 18:03 - Jul 24 with 579 views | felixstowe_jack |
I see Corbyn has officially announced the formation of his far left political party. No doubt a few Labour voters will switch to it. I wonder if Dianne will join her former muse. | |
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| Reform Policies on 23:37 - Jul 24 with 522 views | DJack |
| Reform Policies on 17:40 - Jul 24 by KeithHaynes |
Didn’t really work in the north when the greens put in Muslim candidates to get the votes, then as soon as they got in a lot went independent. Bigger picture for me there is there’s something happening. |
I'm not bothered about the Greens. I'm bothered about the points he raised about the rich have massively increased their wealth whilst in real terms the rest of are poorer but they're keeping the population distracted with press pushing the small boats invasion & benefit cheats narratives.
Bread and circuses | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Reform Policies on 09:05 - Jul 25 with 478 views | Boundy |
| Reform Policies on 23:37 - Jul 24 by DJack |
I'm not bothered about the Greens. I'm bothered about the points he raised about the rich have massively increased their wealth whilst in real terms the rest of are poorer but they're keeping the population distracted with press pushing the small boats invasion & benefit cheats narratives.
Bread and circuses |
The rich have always and in many cases remain rich and the poor remain with exceptions ,poor, So no real surprise there so unless the whole social fabric of the UK is ripped up aka 1917 Russia .That may happen but not due to this topic but because of the small boats. | |
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| Reform Policies on 16:05 - Jul 27 with 391 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Policies on 23:37 - Jul 24 by DJack |
I'm not bothered about the Greens. I'm bothered about the points he raised about the rich have massively increased their wealth whilst in real terms the rest of are poorer but they're keeping the population distracted with press pushing the small boats invasion & benefit cheats narratives.
Bread and circuses |
We need to sort out the immigration situation but we can't let anything imprtant slip through cracks. We can't get so focussed on something we don't try to aim for as much fairness as possible.
The wealth gap, to me anyway, is as important as anything else. | | | |
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| Reform Policies on 16:32 - Jul 27 with 353 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform Policies on 16:05 - Jul 27 by SullutaCreturned |
We need to sort out the immigration situation but we can't let anything imprtant slip through cracks. We can't get so focussed on something we don't try to aim for as much fairness as possible.
The wealth gap, to me anyway, is as important as anything else. |
The wealth gap is growing because immigration is putting a strain on the less well off and stretching resources in the poorest areas particularly education and health. You won't find people who have arrived through immigration usually living in affluent areas, their schools and doctors see little impact. |  | | |
| Reform Policies on 16:41 - Jul 27 with 340 views | trampie |
| Reform Policies on 23:37 - Jul 24 by DJack |
I'm not bothered about the Greens. I'm bothered about the points he raised about the rich have massively increased their wealth whilst in real terms the rest of are poorer but they're keeping the population distracted with press pushing the small boats invasion & benefit cheats narratives.
Bread and circuses |
Look how blind people on this site are, I say take money off the rich via taxation and redistribute it, but they are taken in by the rich and their right wing.media propaganda, so they would rather push low paid and poor people into poverty and give even more money to the rich than try and take money off the rich, its unbelievable how easy it is to pull the wool over some people's eyes. |  |
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| Reform Policies on 16:47 - Jul 27 with 335 views | Whiterockin |
| Reform Policies on 16:41 - Jul 27 by trampie |
Look how blind people on this site are, I say take money off the rich via taxation and redistribute it, but they are taken in by the rich and their right wing.media propaganda, so they would rather push low paid and poor people into poverty and give even more money to the rich than try and take money off the rich, its unbelievable how easy it is to pull the wool over some people's eyes. |
Possibly the posters on this site are not as poor as you think and want to protect what they have worked hard for. Personally I don't think people are against paying more tax as long as it is not wasted as currently seems the position. | | | |
| Reform Policies on 19:55 - Jul 27 with 269 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Reform Policies on 16:32 - Jul 27 by Whiterockin |
The wealth gap is growing because immigration is putting a strain on the less well off and stretching resources in the poorest areas particularly education and health. You won't find people who have arrived through immigration usually living in affluent areas, their schools and doctors see little impact. |
The wealth gapis growing because the rich are getting richer and paying less tax as a peoportion of their income than poor people.
The Equality Trust says the poorest 10% of households paid on average 48% of their income in tax in 2022/23. The richest 10% of households, however, paid on average just 39% of their income in tax. Council tax is a key source of disproportionate taxation, with the poorest 10% paying 7% while the richest 10% pay just 1.2%
https://equalitytrust.org.uk/news/press-release/uk-still-taxes-the-poorest-more-
Immigration, as you know, is paid for out of taxes. It's the services that are struggling because of immigration.
As the link shows, the poor are already paying more tax and it's the rich who are more against paying a higher share as well as more capable of reeucing their tax burden because they can afford the clever tax lawyers and accountants. The whole system is stacked in favour of the rich. [Post edited 27 Jul 19:58]
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| Reform Policies on 21:26 - Jul 27 with 246 views | trampie |
| Reform Policies on 19:55 - Jul 27 by SullutaCreturned |
The wealth gapis growing because the rich are getting richer and paying less tax as a peoportion of their income than poor people.
The Equality Trust says the poorest 10% of households paid on average 48% of their income in tax in 2022/23. The richest 10% of households, however, paid on average just 39% of their income in tax. Council tax is a key source of disproportionate taxation, with the poorest 10% paying 7% while the richest 10% pay just 1.2%
https://equalitytrust.org.uk/news/press-release/uk-still-taxes-the-poorest-more-
Immigration, as you know, is paid for out of taxes. It's the services that are struggling because of immigration.
As the link shows, the poor are already paying more tax and it's the rich who are more against paying a higher share as well as more capable of reeucing their tax burden because they can afford the clever tax lawyers and accountants. The whole system is stacked in favour of the rich. [Post edited 27 Jul 19:58]
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| Reform Policies on 22:05 - Jul 27 with 224 views | Scotia |
| Reform Policies on 16:32 - Jul 27 by Whiterockin |
The wealth gap is growing because immigration is putting a strain on the less well off and stretching resources in the poorest areas particularly education and health. You won't find people who have arrived through immigration usually living in affluent areas, their schools and doctors see little impact. |
Immigration is very little to do with it. The vast majority of immigrants are working or studying, we need them in the country. They may not be making an overall financial contribution but that isn't their fault. We need them so the resources to support them should be provided, or we need to find a way of not needing them.
They don't live in affluent areas because they're doing low paid jobs British people won't do, they can't afford to live anywhere else.
We need to try to get the mega rich to pay more tax but that isn't easy. [Post edited 27 Jul 22:12]
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| Reform Policies on 22:21 - Jul 27 with 203 views | Gwyn737 |
| Reform Policies on 16:32 - Jul 27 by Whiterockin |
The wealth gap is growing because immigration is putting a strain on the less well off and stretching resources in the poorest areas particularly education and health. You won't find people who have arrived through immigration usually living in affluent areas, their schools and doctors see little impact. |
It’s a bit broad brush but schools in less affluent areas see an impact.
In general attainment improves, as does behaviour. | | | |
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