| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) 19:02 - Jul 22 with 2449 views | Myke |
So Poku's goal involvement last season was 1.4 and Kelman"s was 1.75 (regular L1 season) No denying Poku's stats are excellent, not even an out and out striker. But Kelman's are not too shabby either. Yet the reaction to their arrival/return to LR is very different on here at least (I don't do socials) Poku is almost deemed the messiah, even Clive described it as 'head turning' in his profile. Kelman on the other hand, is at best 'muted' and at worst ' move him on'
This makes me wonder why is this? Is the fact t hat Kelman underwhelmed here before, despite not getting a run of games in his best position. Is it the whole ' a prophet is never appreciated in his own land' thing? Is his apparent reluctance to sign a new contract (we have no clue on the truth of this due to our beloved CEO's policy on contract lengths) UKThere is no reason why Kelman shouldn't get the respect and excitement of Poku - but he's not. Why is that? |  | | |  |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 19:42 - Jul 22 with 2336 views | dmm |
It's a good question Myke, but I think you've largely answered it yourself. I would add that, unlike other players including Poku, Kelman hasn't been given much profile since his return. Who decided this isn't known, of course, but it doesn't leave a good impression. |  | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 22:57 - Jul 22 with 2068 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Because QPR have wanted Poku for four years, he has played 150 odd games, his goals and assists over the past three seasons have been very good, numerous clubs wanted him.
Kelman has done it for one season. Bids in from Charlotte FC and Luton says a lot. | |
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 23:08 - Jul 22 with 2035 views | Myke |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 22:57 - Jul 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Because QPR have wanted Poku for four years, he has played 150 odd games, his goals and assists over the past three seasons have been very good, numerous clubs wanted him.
Kelman has done it for one season. Bids in from Charlotte FC and Luton says a lot. |
Fair enough. I hadn't heard we had pursued him for so long . I had never heard of him until we signed him. But I would still ask the question. If we had signed the top scorer from L1 for say 2M, would the excitement and anticipation be similar to Poku's | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 08:27 - Jul 23 with 1824 views | 7374Ranger |
I am looking forward to seeing Kelman playing for QPR this season.
He had a lot of short appearances during his time at the club, but never given a run of games. He has since had a few loan spells and developed his game and physically too.
My only concern is his contractual situation (which is kept from us).
It will be good to see both him and Poku starting the opening match. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:06 - Jul 23 with 1712 views | Pikey |
Being in the know for the length of contracts of our players is not something that bothers me very much.
Leave the business of the club to those paid to look after it . What is the ongoing need of some of our fans to know the detail of contracts, after all we cannot do anything about it if we know. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:12 - Jul 23 with 1671 views | dmm |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:06 - Jul 23 by Pikey |
Being in the know for the length of contracts of our players is not something that bothers me very much.
Leave the business of the club to those paid to look after it . What is the ongoing need of some of our fans to know the detail of contracts, after all we cannot do anything about it if we know. |
Of course we can't do anything about contract lengths, just as we can't do anything about a player's goal scoring record, or previous clubs he's played for, or past injuries.
However, those details and many others, including contract lengths, are of genuine interest to supporters. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:46 - Jul 23 with 1543 views | Malintabuk |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:12 - Jul 23 by dmm |
Of course we can't do anything about contract lengths, just as we can't do anything about a player's goal scoring record, or previous clubs he's played for, or past injuries.
However, those details and many others, including contract lengths, are of genuine interest to supporters. |
And that is the crux of it DMM...why are they not given?
I'm sure the powers to be have a very good reason for keeping us in the dark ... but for the life of me I can't understand it.
If it is to keep privately the length of a contract, does this give the club an advantage in dealing with other clubs when transfer negotiations are happening?
I doubt it... after all the player and his agent will know exactly what is the length of it.
Virtually all other clubs announcements include length of contract... but not us. The more I think of it, the less sense it makes! Unless it is a pure control thing. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:48]
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:51 - Jul 23 with 1510 views | TomS |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 08:27 - Jul 23 by 7374Ranger |
I am looking forward to seeing Kelman playing for QPR this season.
He had a lot of short appearances during his time at the club, but never given a run of games. He has since had a few loan spells and developed his game and physically too.
My only concern is his contractual situation (which is kept from us).
It will be good to see both him and Poku starting the opening match. |
Yep, I'm also looking forward to the novelty of watching a QPR side with a goal-scoring centre forward. |  | | |
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 10:11 - Jul 23 with 1432 views | daveB |
the simple answer is people are excited by new things and Kelman has been here for 4 years so even though he did well last year he's less exciting than a new signing
Not saying thats right but I think it's how the pair of them are viewed. Could say same about Dembele who had similar numbers to Poku when we signed him a year ago |  | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 10:18 - Jul 23 with 1396 views | gazza1 |
I have seen Kelman play for us several times and it has been very average indeed. Unless he has improved then he is not good enough, from what I have seen, for championship football.
As for Poku.....never heard of him, never seen him play, I have no opinion. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 11:21 - Jul 23 with 1269 views | daveB |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 10:18 - Jul 23 by gazza1 |
I have seen Kelman play for us several times and it has been very average indeed. Unless he has improved then he is not good enough, from what I have seen, for championship football.
As for Poku.....never heard of him, never seen him play, I have no opinion. |
He's started 4 games for QPR, only 1 as a striker | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 12:54 - Jul 23 with 1110 views | kensalriser |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 10:18 - Jul 23 by gazza1 |
I have seen Kelman play for us several times and it has been very average indeed. Unless he has improved then he is not good enough, from what I have seen, for championship football.
As for Poku.....never heard of him, never seen him play, I have no opinion. |
Not this one again!
First time I saw Eze play he got bawled out by Jake Bidwell for not tracking back. I knew he would never be good enough for QPR. |  |
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:02 - Jul 23 with 1041 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 09:46 - Jul 23 by Malintabuk |
And that is the crux of it DMM...why are they not given?
I'm sure the powers to be have a very good reason for keeping us in the dark ... but for the life of me I can't understand it.
If it is to keep privately the length of a contract, does this give the club an advantage in dealing with other clubs when transfer negotiations are happening?
I doubt it... after all the player and his agent will know exactly what is the length of it.
Virtually all other clubs announcements include length of contract... but not us. The more I think of it, the less sense it makes! Unless it is a pure control thing. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:48]
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Apparently, all contract lengths if put into the public domain are logged into software used by all professional clubs. They can use this to see if a players contract is coming to end etc.
If it is not public domain then any information obtained by a club, either through Agent or player would be illegal.
It's actually quite a good thing to not announce the length if this accurate | |
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:05 - Jul 23 with 1027 views | gazza1 |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 11:21 - Jul 23 by daveB |
He's started 4 games for QPR, only 1 as a striker |
That was enough for me to judge Dave........he was not good enough for Championship standard, 100%.
We will see very soon if he has improved during his loan spell. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:08 - Jul 23 with 1015 views | gazza1 |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 12:54 - Jul 23 by kensalriser |
Not this one again!
First time I saw Eze play he got bawled out by Jake Bidwell for not tracking back. I knew he would never be good enough for QPR. |
Eze always had the talent but imho he did not work had enough defensively ........ he improved that side of his game and he also improved his game technically, hence why we sold him for big money and why he is worth a lot more now. I would also suggest that his 'head' was, and still is, in a very good place.
That leads to a 'proper' player. [Post edited 23 Jul 13:09]
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| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:08 - Jul 23 with 1018 views | dmm |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:02 - Jul 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Apparently, all contract lengths if put into the public domain are logged into software used by all professional clubs. They can use this to see if a players contract is coming to end etc.
If it is not public domain then any information obtained by a club, either through Agent or player would be illegal.
It's actually quite a good thing to not announce the length if this accurate |
I'm genuinely interested to know where you got this info from. | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 16:56 - Jul 23 with 783 views | baz_qpr |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:08 - Jul 23 by dmm |
I'm genuinely interested to know where you got this info from. |
Would make sense, its SPI data so you just can't harvest it |  | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 18:03 - Jul 23 with 663 views | FDC |
Re Kelman and Poku, to be fair Poku has shown he's got something about him in the two preseason games I've watched, justifying some excitement about his potential.
If Kelman had banged a bucket load of goals in over preseason so far we'd all be very excited about it. But he's not had that many minutes, and we've not got much service to him.
There's probably also the fact that there's a bit question mark over his future at the club.
That said, I'm personally hanging on to the thought that we'll keep him and he'll replicate his L1 form this season - because without that hypothetical it looks pretty bleak, unless we find alternative reinforcements before the season starts. |  | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 18:11 - Jul 23 with 651 views | Pindarus |
I cannot understand why we are being sniffy about a striker who banged in 21 goals in div 1 last year, especially those who say that they saw him play for us some time ago and he didn't look much cop.
Unless he has specifically stated that he won't sign a new contract and/or we think we can get big bucks for him, what is the problem? | | | |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 22:18 - Jul 23 with 466 views | kensalriser |
| Poku v Kelman (didn't dare put Kelman first) on 13:08 - Jul 23 by gazza1 |
Eze always had the talent but imho he did not work had enough defensively ........ he improved that side of his game and he also improved his game technically, hence why we sold him for big money and why he is worth a lot more now. I would also suggest that his 'head' was, and still is, in a very good place.
That leads to a 'proper' player. [Post edited 23 Jul 13:09]
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It's good you're acknowledging a player can improve.
No one who saw Kelman's few games for us thinks he was good enough then.
But why go on old, scant evidence when there is abundant new evidence? | |
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