| Julien Stephan - Word of warning 09:42 - Aug 17 with 25501 views | Markofthegrove |
I listened to his post match presser from the club and he mentioned fatigue towards the end of the game.
After the team he picked on Tuesday and how that went down, he really should be more careful with his words as this fanbase will eat him alive, they won't accept many more stunts like that. |  | | |  |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:20 - Aug 17 with 2613 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 12:50 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
What are your specific concerns, gazza? Interested to know.
The fitness of the players is the overall responsibility of Ben Williams in his Head of Sporting Operations role. He leads the team of fitness coaches/physios and club doctor. The way Nourry has set up the infrastructure, Williams reports to Nourry not Stephan. Stephan isn’t a manager; he is the head coach. It is one of the big reasons Cifuentes fell out with Nourry, because he had no control over Ben Williams and didn’t like him being abroad, whilst the team had so many injuries.
If we’re unfit or not fit enough yet, it is entirely on Ben Williams. |
If Stephan has not got the controls, team selection, tactics, formation, dressing room, fitness to a big extent then it is not going to work........and to accept (if he was told he could not play any senior players) playing who was played at Plymouth is terrible.
I have had some major concerns over team selection(s), shocked Walsh in No1, why didn't he start our new forward yesterday (so what, he has only had two training session-get him out there, he is a professional footballer ffs), Celar is and never will be good enough but he picks him for the first match.
I do not know why MC left but obviously there were issues between Nourry & MC. Let's face it, and I liked MC, his results were appalling at the start and back end of the season so I do not know if it was results based decision. I do not have a massive 'downer' on Nourry like many on this MB and I thought he came across pretty well at the Fans Forum....yes he was in charge but I do not think he was OTT.
I don't know but I do not like what I am seeing and I look at Stephan as being the football man who runs the team.....and we are not doing well. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:20 - Aug 17 with 2612 views | Beejnewark |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:16 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
I would agree.
But accountability has to rest somewhere, especially for the injuries and apparent lack of fitness.
One small thing someone else pointed out though, is that Stephan said he watched all of our games from last season. He either didn’t watch very closely or he’s bending the truth a tad. |
I'd be amazed if he watched ALL 90 minutes of ALL the games. That may have been lost in translation.. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:22 - Aug 17 with 2584 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:16 - Aug 17 by Hunterhoop |
I would agree.
But accountability has to rest somewhere, especially for the injuries and apparent lack of fitness.
One small thing someone else pointed out though, is that Stephan said he watched all of our games from last season. He either didn’t watch very closely or he’s bending the truth a tad. |
I heard him say that at an initial interview......think he must of missed a lot!!!! | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:23 - Aug 17 with 2532 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:13 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Yeh he's stepped into a difficult situation for sure. I quite like what I've seen and heard of him so far. He's learning about our team and this division, and he's doing it while many key players are injured and the ones that are playing aren't fit enough to do 90 minutes. Very little, or no, blame attached to him at this stage. |
I find that astonishing, frankly. At best 45 minutes of half-decent football v Preston in a game we probably deserved to lose by the end, an absolutely scandalous cup exit, and utter pits/pants v Watford for the first 45 (nice of the team to mix up which half we we don't bother playing in).
Unless one pursues the improbable/extremist thesis that Nourry is pulling all the strings, I'd say the manager has it all to do/prove, and then some, after the start we've had. [Post edited 17 Aug 13:25]
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:24 - Aug 17 with 2581 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:23 - Aug 17 by stainrods_elbow |
I find that astonishing, frankly. At best 45 minutes of half-decent football v Preston in a game we probably deserved to lose by the end, an absolutely scandalous cup exit, and utter pits/pants v Watford for the first 45 (nice of the team to mix up which half we we don't bother playing in).
Unless one pursues the improbable/extremist thesis that Nourry is pulling all the strings, I'd say the manager has it all to do/prove, and then some, after the start we've had. [Post edited 17 Aug 13:25]
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Yeh, but you hate every manager. You'll hate the next one as well. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:33 - Aug 17 with 2502 views | numptydumpty |
Crikey cant believe, some of the comments here.
To be questioning Stephan already is madness
Sorry
If we held on, against Plymouth to pens and got the draw our second half warranted yesterday, would people be thinking still Stephan not for us.
Glad some of yous, not my line manager !!! |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:35 - Aug 17 with 2485 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:24 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Yeh, but you hate every manager. You'll hate the next one as well. |
Most supporters should be very concerned about our new Manager......
The first pre-season match was a total disaster plus most of the other ones were not very good. I do not go with this stuff about it doesn't matter, winning breeds confidence, confidence wins matches.
Then we move onto the new season, game one was ok for 45 minutes against a very basic side in PNE (who actually beat Leicester yesterday!!), pretty poor for the 2nd half. Then Plymouth and then yesterday where we were apparently very poor for the first 45 nad improved the 2nd 45.
I do think it is understanding why some posters are concerned. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:37 - Aug 17 with 2469 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:33 - Aug 17 by numptydumpty |
Crikey cant believe, some of the comments here.
To be questioning Stephan already is madness
Sorry
If we held on, against Plymouth to pens and got the draw our second half warranted yesterday, would people be thinking still Stephan not for us.
Glad some of yous, not my line manager !!! |
You must be a Civil Servant.......Line Manager!!! | | | |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:39 - Aug 17 with 2469 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:35 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
Most supporters should be very concerned about our new Manager......
The first pre-season match was a total disaster plus most of the other ones were not very good. I do not go with this stuff about it doesn't matter, winning breeds confidence, confidence wins matches.
Then we move onto the new season, game one was ok for 45 minutes against a very basic side in PNE (who actually beat Leicester yesterday!!), pretty poor for the 2nd half. Then Plymouth and then yesterday where we were apparently very poor for the first 45 nad improved the 2nd 45.
I do think it is understanding why some posters are concerned. |
I don't disagree with your assessment at all, Gaz. I've been saying it for months and told to "be more positive" and "support the club", that this is all going wonderfully and we're going to have a great season. I haven't seen that in us yet.
But he's just started, his squad his unfit, and a lot of very important players (Dunne, JCS, Varane, Poku) are injured and there's still a fortnight of transfer window left to go. If we still look like this on the other side of the international break then I'll be more concerned. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:42 - Aug 17 with 2361 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:24 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Yeh, but you hate every manager. You'll hate the next one as well. |
As you've told me about 1000+ times, now , Northern, so maybe change the record? Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true - it just makes it a fetish.
For the record, there have been a number of Rangers managers I've loved/admired dating back to before you even started supporting the club - Sexton, Docherty, Jago . . . and after that, Holloway, Magilton, and your mate Warburton to a point.
Why not just concede the counter-argument I've made (as you actually seem to be doing strangely easily) and leave it at that without the afters, i.e. play the ball not the man? I think you're (a lot) better than that. [Post edited 17 Aug 13:47]
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 14:34 - Aug 17 with 2216 views | EalingHoop81 |
Blimey this is negative.
We’ve won 2 in 17 for both of the past two seasons and survived and we’re shi11ing the bed about 2 league games in which we’ve played reasonable well for part of both, playing with a multitude of new signings and without any senior full backs in both matches. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:01 - Aug 17 with 2135 views | baz_qpr |
So I've been on holiday for a week...
Wow just bloody wow. 7 days...
1st game judging by commentary, reports and social media played well 1st half and should have been out of sight, second half they grab a goal teams heads drop a draw not great not a disaster.
2nd game loses the hardcore by putting out under 21s team, seemingly something they have all agreed in thew background for the long term good of the club in order to get loans and out some 0's on player values and therefore the assets of the club. Get it, if you travelled spent your money etc long term vs short term.
3rd game away at Watford their 1st home game of the season, larger budget, more valuable team, we play poorly first half much better 2nd half
We had no strikers in preseason - We've bought two of the better ones from the division below
We lost two of our better players (Dunne and Poku) in the first game. Our best central midfielder has been out and missed most of pre-season. Our main striker from last year injured missed all of pre-season, our young up and coming striker missed all of pre-season. The player who was going to be first choice LB has done his ACL before kicking a ball.
Come on guys get some perspective here, The new manager is not Jesus H Christ. He won't know his best team until well into the autumn. There is huge amount of positives in the signings. Do we really think Marti would have started the season spanking Preston and Watford and putting out a strong 11 against Plymouth?? |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:09 - Aug 17 with 2052 views | nix |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:39 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
I don't disagree with your assessment at all, Gaz. I've been saying it for months and told to "be more positive" and "support the club", that this is all going wonderfully and we're going to have a great season. I haven't seen that in us yet.
But he's just started, his squad his unfit, and a lot of very important players (Dunne, JCS, Varane, Poku) are injured and there's still a fortnight of transfer window left to go. If we still look like this on the other side of the international break then I'll be more concerned. |
Really? Has anyone even the happiest of clappers said it's all going wonderfully and we're going to have a great season? A few posters have seen some positive signs as well as concerns to counter some of the prophets of doom that say the same every season that it's all going tits up. But even the most upbeat posters think it's a longer term process that won't produce instant results.
But yes you're right fans are reasonably pig sick having heard all this before.
I agree with the rest of your post. Give the guy a chance/it can't carry on badly forever. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:18 - Aug 17 with 1998 views | terryb |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:42 - Aug 17 by stainrods_elbow |
As you've told me about 1000+ times, now , Northern, so maybe change the record? Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true - it just makes it a fetish.
For the record, there have been a number of Rangers managers I've loved/admired dating back to before you even started supporting the club - Sexton, Docherty, Jago . . . and after that, Holloway, Magilton, and your mate Warburton to a point.
Why not just concede the counter-argument I've made (as you actually seem to be doing strangely easily) and leave it at that without the afters, i.e. play the ball not the man? I think you're (a lot) better than that. [Post edited 17 Aug 13:47]
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You've definitely lost me there with you loved/admired Docherty. The WORST manager that Queens Park Rangers have employed. The man made Harold & Hughes look like Gods! My close to hatred of him comes not just from his two stints as our manager, although on a Rangers forum that should take priority.
It does appear to me though, that your main dislike of managers is based on two points.
1) What they say in media interviews
2) Whether they select the side that you would like them to
Strangely no mention of Venables, Howe or Francis from you. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:20 - Aug 17 with 1985 views | Rsole |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:24 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Yeh, but you hate every manager. You'll hate the next one as well. |
#Announce_Stainers ! |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:22 - Aug 17 with 1951 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Far too early to cast judgement on Stephan. My only slight concern is that he appears a little too invested in Nourry's project. I'd like to see him put a little of his own stamp on proceedings. Maybe then the fans will warm to him.
As for yesterday's match, Julien should take some responsibility for the lousy first half as he fielded an unbalanced team. Things improved markedly once Varane and Esquerdinha replaced Madsen and Mbengue respectively.
Call me old fashioned but I like to see round pegs in round holes. If we have a LB available, no matter how young or inexperienced, then play him rather than shoehorn a right-footed CB at LB.
As for fitness, that's on Nourry and his handling of the Ben Williams situation. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:27 - Aug 17 with 1904 views | bullshootr |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:42 - Aug 17 by stainrods_elbow |
As you've told me about 1000+ times, now , Northern, so maybe change the record? Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true - it just makes it a fetish.
For the record, there have been a number of Rangers managers I've loved/admired dating back to before you even started supporting the club - Sexton, Docherty, Jago . . . and after that, Holloway, Magilton, and your mate Warburton to a point.
Why not just concede the counter-argument I've made (as you actually seem to be doing strangely easily) and leave it at that without the afters, i.e. play the ball not the man? I think you're (a lot) better than that. [Post edited 17 Aug 13:47]
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"For the record, there have been a number of Rangers managers I've loved/admired dating"
That could easily be taken out of context.
Thought you were a pro at this sort of thing? | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:28 - Aug 17 with 1891 views | kensalriser |
That didn't take long.
I said before the season started that Nourry had burned through a lot of goodwill and was staking a lot on Stephan getting a good start.
My feeling was we needed 15 points from the first ten games given that shit gets real after then. 14 from eight is already looking less than likely. |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:36 - Aug 17 with 1856 views | dm97 |
Two games. Two.
(Edit: as the club chose not to count the cup as a real game by fielding a schoolboys side, I don’t really count it either (Not an endorsement)) [Post edited 17 Aug 15:40]
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:39 - Aug 17 with 1832 views | gazza1 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:39 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
I don't disagree with your assessment at all, Gaz. I've been saying it for months and told to "be more positive" and "support the club", that this is all going wonderfully and we're going to have a great season. I haven't seen that in us yet.
But he's just started, his squad his unfit, and a lot of very important players (Dunne, JCS, Varane, Poku) are injured and there's still a fortnight of transfer window left to go. If we still look like this on the other side of the international break then I'll be more concerned. |
Agreed, perhaps I am expecting too much from the new man but it is a dam slow start!!!
I do feel that we have a decent squad if we keep players fit & ready. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:10 - Aug 17 with 1726 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:39 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
Agreed, perhaps I am expecting too much from the new man but it is a dam slow start!!!
I do feel that we have a decent squad if we keep players fit & ready. |
The trouble is we can't seem to get some of them fit, let alone keep them that way. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:21 - Aug 17 with 1679 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 15:36 - Aug 17 by dm97 |
Two games. Two.
(Edit: as the club chose not to count the cup as a real game by fielding a schoolboys side, I don’t really count it either (Not an endorsement)) [Post edited 17 Aug 15:40]
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The vitriol and finger pointing was always going to happen after this loss. No surprise there.
At least ST put his hand up and took some accountability for failing to respond to the unexpected change in formation by Watford, if not the insipid first half efforts from the players (ahem, Madsen).
Very early days, but at least plenty of posters can see the underlining potential of what a fit team/squad could produce this season.
“Grip your shit” at least until 10 games in people. Pitch forks at the ready after that. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:36 - Aug 17 with 1603 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
2 games in and this thread kicks off. FFS.
I've seen more descent football in the 2nd half yesterday than almost the entirety of last season. I don't see any evidence as to why people should be getting upset with the manager. He made a mistake with the LB (fair enough and don't think he'll do that again) while Varane and Kone were not match fit to start.
We'll lose against Coventry and then the season will start against Charlton. All will be fine. | |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:49 - Aug 17 with 1549 views | Paddyhoops |
2 f***ing games and people want him out .
I think he deserves a bit of time . I’ve seen enough from the two games to be hopeful . We started without Poku , Jake, Varane , Kone and our inspirational captain yesterday and without a regonized full back yesterday .
Let’s give him a bit off leeway.
I could be wrong but I suspect no appointment by Nourry will please a lot of people on here .
So you could be in for a long wait . His state pension is not a lot short of 40 years away.🤪
I’m no fan of Nourry but we’re stuck with him for now. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:52 - Aug 17 with 1536 views | BklynRanger |
If he hadn't been critical of the first half I'd have been seriously concerned, but he certainly was. Things need to be learnt quickly about playing players in their favoured positions etc, and hopefully that will happen, he seems like an intelligent enough bloke.
But I thought that interview was quite encouraging in terms of how harsh he was on the first half performance.
So in terms of the manager I don't get why alarms bells should be ringing after 2 league games and a starting 11 that many people think was mostly out of his hands. |  | | |
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