| Julien Stephan - Word of warning 09:42 - Aug 17 with 25848 views | Markofthegrove |
I listened to his post match presser from the club and he mentioned fatigue towards the end of the game.
After the team he picked on Tuesday and how that went down, he really should be more careful with his words as this fanbase will eat him alive, they won't accept many more stunts like that. |  | | |  |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:59 - Aug 17 with 2658 views | kensalriser |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:36 - Aug 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
2 games in and this thread kicks off. FFS.
I've seen more descent football in the 2nd half yesterday than almost the entirety of last season. I don't see any evidence as to why people should be getting upset with the manager. He made a mistake with the LB (fair enough and don't think he'll do that again) while Varane and Kone were not match fit to start.
We'll lose against Coventry and then the season will start against Charlton. All will be fine. |
The descent football is getting us all down. |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:08 - Aug 17 with 2623 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:52 - Aug 17 by BklynRanger |
If he hadn't been critical of the first half I'd have been seriously concerned, but he certainly was. Things need to be learnt quickly about playing players in their favoured positions etc, and hopefully that will happen, he seems like an intelligent enough bloke.
But I thought that interview was quite encouraging in terms of how harsh he was on the first half performance.
So in terms of the manager I don't get why alarms bells should be ringing after 2 league games and a starting 11 that many people think was mostly out of his hands. |
I found it encouraging too, Bklyn. Broadly speaking, he explained his thinking very well and called the first half poor, and the second half good, and said that the final fade-out was due to fatigue and sub options. Hard to argue with any of that.
Also, I love "Carrie-Ann Maguire"!
I'm not overly concerned about the decision to play Mbengue at left-back. Maybe he played well there in training and just played poorly on the day.
It's also possible that Madsen trained well in central midfield, and he did do ok there last weekend. He also has very few central midfielders available to him, to be fair.
I think he's currently spancilled by fitness, and by a very limited squad. Too early to judge him. [Post edited 17 Aug 17:28]
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:10 - Aug 17 with 2599 views | QPunkR |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:59 - Aug 17 by kensalriser |
The descent football is getting us all down. |
This descent football will take us down! |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:27 - Aug 17 with 2488 views | hubble |
Just as a point of reference, our first 16 games last season, with the beloved Marti, in his second season, at the helm; 1 win, 7 defeats, 8 draws.
Some of the nonsense I've read in this thread and others is frankly embarrassing. Talk about Drama Queen's Park Rangers. A modicum of perspective might be helpful:
10 August Queens Park Rangers 1–3 West Bromwich Albion
17 August Sheffield United 2–2 Queens Park Rangers
24 August Queens Park Rangers 1–1 Plymouth Argyle
30 August Luton Town 1–2 Queens Park Rangers
14 September Sheffield Wednesday 1–1 Queens Park Rangers
21 September Queens Park Rangers 1–1 Millwall
28 September Blackburn Rovers 2–0 Queens Park Rangers
1 October Queens Park Rangers 1–3 Hull City
5 October Derby County 2–0 Queens Park Rangers
19 October Queens Park Rangers 1–2 Portsmouth
22 October Queens Park Rangers 1–1 Coventry City
26 October Burnley 0–0 Queens Park Rangers
2 November Queens Park Rangers 0–0 Sunderland
5 November Queens Park Rangers 1–4 Middlesbrough
9 November Leeds United 2–0 Queens Park Rangers
23 November Queens Park Rangers 1–1 Stoke City |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:36 - Aug 17 with 2431 views | Northernr |
Listen, I'm with you guys, ridiculous. Two games in. Team needs support, head coach needs time, let's see what we look like after the transfer window and with something approaching a fit team on the pitch (not sure how wise it was to start the season undercooked like this in our circumstances, with our fixtures but it's done now).
But I also understand the reaction from that away end yesterday.
I've said it all summer. People told me I was talking bolox, but you heard it time and time again talking to people round Perpignan. Cifuentes was popular. You're under pressure to get better now you've got rid of him.
The people standing behind that goal have really gone out to bat for the club over the past three years, selling out home and away, not a word of dissent at all through some absolute shambles of recruitment, retainment, Warburton getting binned, the Beale disaster, the Ainsworth disaster. A lot of people are fed up and frustrated, and you've got to understand that.
Do you think sitting at the fans forum and patronising those people by telling them actually we didn't have injury problems last year, and I'm sorry your favourite player wasn't available, helped that situation?
Do you think approaching that League Cup game like that, helped that situation?
Do you think anonymous Twitter trolls coming after long standing supporters calling them "mentally ill" and "dinosaurs" because they were a bit annoyed (and that's all it was) with the League Cup exit helps that situation? I've woken up this morning feeling like crap cos we've lost, turn on my phone - first Tweet in "people like Clive are a cancer". How lovely. With my family history as well, that made me feel just terrific heading to B&Q this morning.
Does calling people who have a different opinion about that Plymouth game to you "old farts" help that situation?
And look, I absolutely don't condone that reaction in the first half yesterday, I didn't engage in it myself, and to be honest even I'm surprised it flipped as quickly as it did. But I'm not surprised on the whole.
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:37 - Aug 17 with 2418 views | bosh67 |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:13 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Yeh he's stepped into a difficult situation for sure. I quite like what I've seen and heard of him so far. He's learning about our team and this division, and he's doing it while many key players are injured and the ones that are playing aren't fit enough to do 90 minutes. Very little, or no, blame attached to him at this stage. |
Agreed Clive. I think he is still in the phase of working out what this team really can do and is hampered by yet another crippling injury list. There were passages in the first half against Preston and the second half at Watford where you can see what this team may become. Early days but while he's trying to do this him and Steve Bould have also got to make us hard to beat at the back and yesterday's starting line up was immediately lopsided. Mbengue doesn't get confidence being played like that and that didn't need to happen with two left footed players that can play left back on the bench. |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 18:07 - Aug 17 with 2273 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Head up, Clive.
With you all the way. | |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 18:34 - Aug 17 with 2198 views | nix |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:36 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Listen, I'm with you guys, ridiculous. Two games in. Team needs support, head coach needs time, let's see what we look like after the transfer window and with something approaching a fit team on the pitch (not sure how wise it was to start the season undercooked like this in our circumstances, with our fixtures but it's done now).
But I also understand the reaction from that away end yesterday.
I've said it all summer. People told me I was talking bolox, but you heard it time and time again talking to people round Perpignan. Cifuentes was popular. You're under pressure to get better now you've got rid of him.
The people standing behind that goal have really gone out to bat for the club over the past three years, selling out home and away, not a word of dissent at all through some absolute shambles of recruitment, retainment, Warburton getting binned, the Beale disaster, the Ainsworth disaster. A lot of people are fed up and frustrated, and you've got to understand that.
Do you think sitting at the fans forum and patronising those people by telling them actually we didn't have injury problems last year, and I'm sorry your favourite player wasn't available, helped that situation?
Do you think approaching that League Cup game like that, helped that situation?
Do you think anonymous Twitter trolls coming after long standing supporters calling them "mentally ill" and "dinosaurs" because they were a bit annoyed (and that's all it was) with the League Cup exit helps that situation? I've woken up this morning feeling like crap cos we've lost, turn on my phone - first Tweet in "people like Clive are a cancer". How lovely. With my family history as well, that made me feel just terrific heading to B&Q this morning.
Does calling people who have a different opinion about that Plymouth game to you "old farts" help that situation?
And look, I absolutely don't condone that reaction in the first half yesterday, I didn't engage in it myself, and to be honest even I'm surprised it flipped as quickly as it did. But I'm not surprised on the whole.
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Christ Clive that's awful and sick. I don't know what's wrong with people.
You're not wrong to be annoyed and frustrated by both that kind of rubbish and the current situation. I get that.
I'll leave it there. |  | | |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 18:43 - Aug 17 with 2165 views | Hunterhoop |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 16:49 - Aug 17 by Paddyhoops |
2 f***ing games and people want him out .
I think he deserves a bit of time . I’ve seen enough from the two games to be hopeful . We started without Poku , Jake, Varane , Kone and our inspirational captain yesterday and without a regonized full back yesterday .
Let’s give him a bit off leeway.
I could be wrong but I suspect no appointment by Nourry will please a lot of people on here .
So you could be in for a long wait . His state pension is not a lot short of 40 years away.🤪
I’m no fan of Nourry but we’re stuck with him for now. |
Who wants him out?? Who? I don’t. I like the appointment (once we had to make one). Gazza has some concerns about him (which I asked about), but I think those are more directed at Ben Williams. Elbow has a problem with all our managers so nothing new there. Who is calling for him to go??
I just find it frustrating he’ll have to go through a learning curve Cifuentes went through last season. In the meantime the team underperforms (or certainly doesn’t perform as well as it could). That is not his fault, mind. It is someone else’s. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 19:11 - Aug 17 with 1987 views | BristolR |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:36 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Listen, I'm with you guys, ridiculous. Two games in. Team needs support, head coach needs time, let's see what we look like after the transfer window and with something approaching a fit team on the pitch (not sure how wise it was to start the season undercooked like this in our circumstances, with our fixtures but it's done now).
But I also understand the reaction from that away end yesterday.
I've said it all summer. People told me I was talking bolox, but you heard it time and time again talking to people round Perpignan. Cifuentes was popular. You're under pressure to get better now you've got rid of him.
The people standing behind that goal have really gone out to bat for the club over the past three years, selling out home and away, not a word of dissent at all through some absolute shambles of recruitment, retainment, Warburton getting binned, the Beale disaster, the Ainsworth disaster. A lot of people are fed up and frustrated, and you've got to understand that.
Do you think sitting at the fans forum and patronising those people by telling them actually we didn't have injury problems last year, and I'm sorry your favourite player wasn't available, helped that situation?
Do you think approaching that League Cup game like that, helped that situation?
Do you think anonymous Twitter trolls coming after long standing supporters calling them "mentally ill" and "dinosaurs" because they were a bit annoyed (and that's all it was) with the League Cup exit helps that situation? I've woken up this morning feeling like crap cos we've lost, turn on my phone - first Tweet in "people like Clive are a cancer". How lovely. With my family history as well, that made me feel just terrific heading to B&Q this morning.
Does calling people who have a different opinion about that Plymouth game to you "old farts" help that situation?
And look, I absolutely don't condone that reaction in the first half yesterday, I didn't engage in it myself, and to be honest even I'm surprised it flipped as quickly as it did. But I'm not surprised on the whole.
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Modern football- much like life - is increasingly shite. Most of these twts are probably under 16 and certainly not travelling home and away…fcking depressing to read about it, lord knows what it’s like for you producing top class content just to be criticised in such a basic, blunt and frankly crass manner. Horrible little shitcvnts
A lot of these idiots need a proper dry slap, but then I’m also an old fart. Fck me…
Keep going mate, free beers on offer Bristol C away |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 19:13 - Aug 17 with 1974 views | mart_Goblin |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:36 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Listen, I'm with you guys, ridiculous. Two games in. Team needs support, head coach needs time, let's see what we look like after the transfer window and with something approaching a fit team on the pitch (not sure how wise it was to start the season undercooked like this in our circumstances, with our fixtures but it's done now).
But I also understand the reaction from that away end yesterday.
I've said it all summer. People told me I was talking bolox, but you heard it time and time again talking to people round Perpignan. Cifuentes was popular. You're under pressure to get better now you've got rid of him.
The people standing behind that goal have really gone out to bat for the club over the past three years, selling out home and away, not a word of dissent at all through some absolute shambles of recruitment, retainment, Warburton getting binned, the Beale disaster, the Ainsworth disaster. A lot of people are fed up and frustrated, and you've got to understand that.
Do you think sitting at the fans forum and patronising those people by telling them actually we didn't have injury problems last year, and I'm sorry your favourite player wasn't available, helped that situation?
Do you think approaching that League Cup game like that, helped that situation?
Do you think anonymous Twitter trolls coming after long standing supporters calling them "mentally ill" and "dinosaurs" because they were a bit annoyed (and that's all it was) with the League Cup exit helps that situation? I've woken up this morning feeling like crap cos we've lost, turn on my phone - first Tweet in "people like Clive are a cancer". How lovely. With my family history as well, that made me feel just terrific heading to B&Q this morning.
Does calling people who have a different opinion about that Plymouth game to you "old farts" help that situation?
And look, I absolutely don't condone that reaction in the first half yesterday, I didn't engage in it myself, and to be honest even I'm surprised it flipped as quickly as it did. But I'm not surprised on the whole.
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Wow .
It’s worse than I thought .
X is a bonkers place isn’t it ?
I think people have to also consider and accept that football fans are reactionary after games .
That’s part of why we love this sport .
For me it’s the equivalent of going into the pub after the match with my mates and chewing the fat about who played well, who didn’t , why did the coach make that decision, god the ref was crap, what a goal by whoever …..
QPR mates have all moved on . I don’t go to the pub after games …so you lot have become ‘that’.
At times I think , blimey I shouldn’t have said that in hindsight .
But , saying that , I see people who are let’s say ‘more optimistic than others ‘ about the current set up saying things like ‘drama queens’ , ‘old farts’ etc etc .
“2 games and you’ve written the head coach off’
No one has done that on here .
If we as fans are not allowed to chit chat about what we think are good and bad , right and wrong then I think I’ll walk away . You can have the sanitised football club and fan sites.
There is stuff going on that seriously makes me think about it anyway .
Add now we have ‘fan pages’ on social media and on sites like this popping up and all saying the same thing . All with exactly the same thoughts and language .
What’s happening ?
That stuff said about Clive is horrific .
And that ain’t the half of it .
How he doesn’t just jack it all in I’ll never know .
I for one am very thankful that you don’t .
But nobody can put up with that for too long.
And the really worrying thing is where it’s originating from.
Fans should be more concerned than they are . |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 19:19 - Aug 17 with 1920 views | Jigsore |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 10:07 - Aug 17 by EalingHoop81 |
A couple of years back we had the exact approach of starting a little slower to avoid longer term injuries etc. That worked well or perhaps it is intentional. Or perhaps put pre season and fitness regime is getting it totally wrong. But I don’t expect our aim is to have a season where our team collapse after 65 mins.
It will get sorted one way or other |
apologies if this has been said elsewhere in the thread, but we have a relatively plum start to the season. ramping up just in time to get hearty draws and valiant defeats against the parachute teams and wrexham and birmingham (trampoline teams?) isn't going to go well |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 19:39 - Aug 17 with 1822 views | slmrstid |
I've said it recently but its feeling to me we have a new generation Paladini and minions on our hands and it took bloody years to get rid of them. Was hoping never again! |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:05 - Aug 17 with 1690 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:36 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Listen, I'm with you guys, ridiculous. Two games in. Team needs support, head coach needs time, let's see what we look like after the transfer window and with something approaching a fit team on the pitch (not sure how wise it was to start the season undercooked like this in our circumstances, with our fixtures but it's done now).
But I also understand the reaction from that away end yesterday.
I've said it all summer. People told me I was talking bolox, but you heard it time and time again talking to people round Perpignan. Cifuentes was popular. You're under pressure to get better now you've got rid of him.
The people standing behind that goal have really gone out to bat for the club over the past three years, selling out home and away, not a word of dissent at all through some absolute shambles of recruitment, retainment, Warburton getting binned, the Beale disaster, the Ainsworth disaster. A lot of people are fed up and frustrated, and you've got to understand that.
Do you think sitting at the fans forum and patronising those people by telling them actually we didn't have injury problems last year, and I'm sorry your favourite player wasn't available, helped that situation?
Do you think approaching that League Cup game like that, helped that situation?
Do you think anonymous Twitter trolls coming after long standing supporters calling them "mentally ill" and "dinosaurs" because they were a bit annoyed (and that's all it was) with the League Cup exit helps that situation? I've woken up this morning feeling like crap cos we've lost, turn on my phone - first Tweet in "people like Clive are a cancer". How lovely. With my family history as well, that made me feel just terrific heading to B&Q this morning.
Does calling people who have a different opinion about that Plymouth game to you "old farts" help that situation?
And look, I absolutely don't condone that reaction in the first half yesterday, I didn't engage in it myself, and to be honest even I'm surprised it flipped as quickly as it did. But I'm not surprised on the whole.
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What did you get at B&Q?
Solidarity. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:08 - Aug 17 with 1647 views | stainrods_elbow |
I've said I don't much like the cut of Stephan's gib, and I don't really trust him, and the whole smell of the club right now feels to me more and more estranged, but we have to see what he can make of what has been, in some respects at least, some promising recruitment, once the injury situation has improved. It won't help if the fanbase is at each other's throats either, though I fear the worst if we don't perform/win well once or twice at least over the next 5 games. |  |
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| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:10 - Aug 17 with 1653 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:22 - Aug 17 by gazza1 |
I heard him say that at an initial interview......think he must of missed a lot!!!! |
I think he watched all of the games, just not in the right order. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:27 - Aug 17 with 1575 views | WatfordR |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 19:39 - Aug 17 by slmrstid |
I've said it recently but its feeling to me we have a new generation Paladini and minions on our hands and it took bloody years to get rid of them. Was hoping never again! |
My view, FWIW.
Like it or not - and I really don't like it -the transfer window remaining open until the end of August renders the August fixtures almost like an extended pre-season for clubs like ours with smaller budgets. Players will come and go, and squads, formations etc are never settled for clubs like ours.
Chair, Dembele, Field and Morrison were possibly the only four starters yesterday from our first XI. Maybe Walsh, though he wouldn't be mine.
A really mobile defensive CM enforcer would make a big difference to us We've got a good front four unit, supported by morgan/Varane, but Mbengue apart, we don.t have enough pace at centre back to cope with quick counter attacks.
LB and central midfield are obviously weak points, but I do think if they get addressed properly, we will be absolutely fine. We're still not necessarily breaking lines as quickly as I'd like, but it does seem to me to be better than it was last season. first half last week, and much of the second half yesterday shows we are capable. Marti is gone, and we do need to look forward rather than wistfully over our shoulders. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:31 - Aug 17 with 1557 views | Northernr |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:27 - Aug 17 by WatfordR |
My view, FWIW.
Like it or not - and I really don't like it -the transfer window remaining open until the end of August renders the August fixtures almost like an extended pre-season for clubs like ours with smaller budgets. Players will come and go, and squads, formations etc are never settled for clubs like ours.
Chair, Dembele, Field and Morrison were possibly the only four starters yesterday from our first XI. Maybe Walsh, though he wouldn't be mine.
A really mobile defensive CM enforcer would make a big difference to us We've got a good front four unit, supported by morgan/Varane, but Mbengue apart, we don.t have enough pace at centre back to cope with quick counter attacks.
LB and central midfield are obviously weak points, but I do think if they get addressed properly, we will be absolutely fine. We're still not necessarily breaking lines as quickly as I'd like, but it does seem to me to be better than it was last season. first half last week, and much of the second half yesterday shows we are capable. Marti is gone, and we do need to look forward rather than wistfully over our shoulders. |
Good post. Football would be improved if the transfer window closed before the season starts but no chance. Really annoying for us this year as we’ve got easier fixtures stacked at the front. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:36 - Aug 17 with 1534 views | flynnbo |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:31 - Aug 17 by Northernr |
Good post. Football would be improved if the transfer window closed before the season starts but no chance. Really annoying for us this year as we’ve got easier fixtures stacked at the front. |
It closes/"slams shut" on 1st September at 7pm BST so an early night perhaps. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:41 - Aug 17 with 1515 views | gazza1 |
I am very willing to give this chap a chance.....100%, however I have my concerns for a variety of reasons & I am far from pleased with the start of his QPR career. (& many if not all of us should be concerned - the start has been proper disappointing performance wise) | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 20:58 - Aug 17 with 1411 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 13:20 - Aug 17 by Beejnewark |
I'd be amazed if he watched ALL 90 minutes of ALL the games. That may have been lost in translation.. |
He wants some kind of medal if he did. | | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 21:02 - Aug 17 with 1404 views | BklynRanger |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:08 - Aug 17 by BrianMcCarthy |
I found it encouraging too, Bklyn. Broadly speaking, he explained his thinking very well and called the first half poor, and the second half good, and said that the final fade-out was due to fatigue and sub options. Hard to argue with any of that.
Also, I love "Carrie-Ann Maguire"!
I'm not overly concerned about the decision to play Mbengue at left-back. Maybe he played well there in training and just played poorly on the day.
It's also possible that Madsen trained well in central midfield, and he did do ok there last weekend. He also has very few central midfielders available to him, to be fair.
I think he's currently spancilled by fitness, and by a very limited squad. Too early to judge him. [Post edited 17 Aug 17:28]
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Who is Carrie Ann Maguire, Brian, and are we going to have to fight to the death over her?
Just so I'm mentally prepared. |  | | |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 21:23 - Aug 17 with 1305 views | ozexile |
| Julien Stephan - Word of warning on 17:08 - Aug 17 by BrianMcCarthy |
I found it encouraging too, Bklyn. Broadly speaking, he explained his thinking very well and called the first half poor, and the second half good, and said that the final fade-out was due to fatigue and sub options. Hard to argue with any of that.
Also, I love "Carrie-Ann Maguire"!
I'm not overly concerned about the decision to play Mbengue at left-back. Maybe he played well there in training and just played poorly on the day.
It's also possible that Madsen trained well in central midfield, and he did do ok there last weekend. He also has very few central midfielders available to him, to be fair.
I think he's currently spancilled by fitness, and by a very limited squad. Too early to judge him. [Post edited 17 Aug 17:28]
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