| Pro Palestine marches 04:54 - Aug 22 with 4039 views | mangohilljack |
"What started as support for Palestine has been hijacked by the far left."
These marches may have begun as a show of solidarity with civilians caught in conflict, but it's increasingly clear they've been co-opted by radical elements with a very different agenda.
We’re seeing:
Open calls for the destruction of Israel, not peace.
Chants and banners with hard-left, anti-capitalist, and often anti-Western rhetoric.
A focus that has shifted from humanitarian concern to political ideology — with socialism, decolonization, and anti-police narratives now dominating the conversation.
Let’s be honest: this isn’t just about Palestine anymore. It's a broader vehicle for far-left activism, and many who genuinely care about innocent lives are being drowned out or used as cover for more extreme voices.
You can support peace and condemn civilian suffering without aligning with those who celebrate terrorism, push Marxist ideology, or hate everything about the West. |  | | |  |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:59 - Aug 22 with 1604 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:48 - Aug 22 by Dr_Winston |
The bias inherent in the education system is made clear by the fact that you can't move for lessons about Nazi Germany, but there's not a word about the crimes of the Soviet Union.
Totalitarianism is the same no matter what side of the political fence you sit on, and education should reflect that. |
I’ve just read that report.
I’m not one for hyperbole but that’s the biggest load of rubbish ever shared on this forum IMO.
I then checked myself and thought maybe it’s because I only know the English National curriculum so I looked up the Welsh one for History:
https://www.wjec.co.uk/media/vxehgxuj/wjec-gcse-history-specification-e-040625.p
1 unit on Nazi Germany and 1 on the Soviet Union.
Equal weight given. | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 21:27 - Aug 22 with 1551 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:48 - Aug 22 by Dr_Winston |
The bias inherent in the education system is made clear by the fact that you can't move for lessons about Nazi Germany, but there's not a word about the crimes of the Soviet Union.
Totalitarianism is the same no matter what side of the political fence you sit on, and education should reflect that. |
If it wasn't for the Russians is and the Yanks would never have defeated the Germans. Nazi crimes were on a different level to any others | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 21:29 - Aug 22 with 1546 views | Scotia |
| Pro Palestine marches on 12:03 - Aug 22 by Demitrius |
You probably won't bother to read this article as it's written by a Conservative but it rings true in my experience, discussions with other parents etc..
50% of teachers polled voted for Corbyn in 2019. To suggest that there isn't a left-wing bias in the teaching profession is daft. Of course it's not on the official curriculum but looking at the new Labour approved head of Ofsted I can see it getting worse.
https://medium.com/cfoechalkboard/the-problem-of-left-wing-ideology-in-education |
That's a great piece of misrepresentation though isn't it?
They didn't vote for Corbyn per se they voted for a realistic alternative to the government that had been responsible for a decade of austerity. Austerity they'd been at the front end of. They may well have been no more left wing than Ken Clarke.
They may have thought Corbyn was a moron because he is, but less of a moron than Boris Johnson. I can't disagree with that . | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 12:11 - Aug 23 with 1445 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 21:27 - Aug 22 by controversial_jack |
If it wasn't for the Russians is and the Yanks would never have defeated the Germans. Nazi crimes were on a different level to any others |
You seem to have forgotten Russia and Germany were on the same side they both invaded Poland. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did.
After Hitler invaded Russia it would not have survived without all the tanks, planes etc that the USA and the UK sent via the artic convoy
You are right the Crimes committed by Stalin and Hitler were on a different scale. | |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 12:37 - Aug 23 with 1424 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Pro Palestine marches on 12:11 - Aug 23 by felixstowe_jack |
You seem to have forgotten Russia and Germany were on the same side they both invaded Poland. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did.
After Hitler invaded Russia it would not have survived without all the tanks, planes etc that the USA and the UK sent via the artic convoy
You are right the Crimes committed by Stalin and Hitler were on a different scale. |
My Uncle Llewellyn was in the merchant navy running kit to.Murmansk. Died about 5 years back. The family was from Porthcawl. |  |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 15:15 - Aug 23 with 1381 views | EagleEye |
| Pro Palestine marches on 21:27 - Aug 22 by controversial_jack |
If it wasn't for the Russians is and the Yanks would never have defeated the Germans. Nazi crimes were on a different level to any others |
The education system has most definitely done a job on you |  | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:00 - Aug 23 with 1352 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 15:15 - Aug 23 by EagleEye |
The education system has most definitely done a job on you |
It hasn't on you | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:38 - Aug 23 with 1341 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Pro Palestine marches on 16:46 - Aug 22 by AnotherJohn |
One thing that has affected perceptions is that the phrase is in the 2018 Hamas Charter. |
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free...seems self explanatory. It doesn't say Israel will be involved. I suppose it depends on who you support or want to win as to how you unterpret the words. Someone called it an Israelu myth but if they truly believe it means the destruction of their country then who can argue? Well a few undoubtedly will.
Personally I don't know how anyone can take sides over what's happening in Gaza, they both have been wrong and thry both still are wrong. Until they can both see that, there will be NO satisfactory solution.
The rest of the world hasn't really helped. Because the USA backed Israel, Europe was too scared to say what needed to be said. Now Europe is being more forthright but it's too late.
people hailed Trump as a peacemaker
~ but in Gaza he hasn't brought peace and in Ukraine he hasn't brought peace but in both cases he has enabled deayh and destruction.
Putin doesn't want an end to the war and Netanyahu won't stop until he's cleared Gaza and put Israeli settlers in instead.
Maybe it could have been different but we will never know. | | | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:06 - Aug 23 with 1332 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 15:15 - Aug 23 by EagleEye |
The education system has most definitely done a job on you |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 19:55 - Aug 23 with 1314 views | swan_si |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:38 - Aug 23 by SullutaCreturned |
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free...seems self explanatory. It doesn't say Israel will be involved. I suppose it depends on who you support or want to win as to how you unterpret the words. Someone called it an Israelu myth but if they truly believe it means the destruction of their country then who can argue? Well a few undoubtedly will.
Personally I don't know how anyone can take sides over what's happening in Gaza, they both have been wrong and thry both still are wrong. Until they can both see that, there will be NO satisfactory solution.
The rest of the world hasn't really helped. Because the USA backed Israel, Europe was too scared to say what needed to be said. Now Europe is being more forthright but it's too late.
people hailed Trump as a peacemaker
~ but in Gaza he hasn't brought peace and in Ukraine he hasn't brought peace but in both cases he has enabled deayh and destruction.
Putin doesn't want an end to the war and Netanyahu won't stop until he's cleared Gaza and put Israeli settlers in instead.
Maybe it could have been different but we will never know. |
You say "Europe was too scared to say what needed to be said" .
So. What was needed to be said? And to whom? And why?
I think the UK, France, Canada and others have made matters worse for the Palestinians in saying they will recognise Palestine as a state in September. |  | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 23:26 - Aug 23 with 1255 views | Gwyn737 |
It’s impossible to say with certainty what would have happened if Russia and the US hadn’t have joined the war.
However, we do know know that Russia tied up a lot of the German army on the Eastern front and the superpower of the US had a huge impact.
That’s not education driving ideology. It’s fact. [Post edited 24 Aug 8:42]
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| Pro Palestine marches on 15:31 - Aug 24 with 1135 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Pro Palestine marches on 23:26 - Aug 23 by Gwyn737 |
It’s impossible to say with certainty what would have happened if Russia and the US hadn’t have joined the war.
However, we do know know that Russia tied up a lot of the German army on the Eastern front and the superpower of the US had a huge impact.
That’s not education driving ideology. It’s fact. [Post edited 24 Aug 8:42]
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As you say Gwyn the eastern front was a disaster.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-battle-of-staling |  |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 15:46 - Aug 24 with 1107 views | Dr_Winston |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:59 - Aug 22 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve just read that report.
I’m not one for hyperbole but that’s the biggest load of rubbish ever shared on this forum IMO.
I then checked myself and thought maybe it’s because I only know the English National curriculum so I looked up the Welsh one for History:
https://www.wjec.co.uk/media/vxehgxuj/wjec-gcse-history-specification-e-040625.p
1 unit on Nazi Germany and 1 on the Soviet Union.
Equal weight given. |
If both were required to be taught that might make a difference. They aren't. From the very document you linked to:
"Learners will study one of the following six historical topics"
My stepdaughter recently sat her history GCSE. Guess which topic she did?
Teaching totalitarianism as a specific subject would require the education system to look equally at both right wing and left wing varieties of it. You'd have to be stunningly naive to think that's something a significant proportion of teachers would want any part of. |  |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 18:35 - Aug 24 with 1020 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 23:26 - Aug 23 by Gwyn737 |
It’s impossible to say with certainty what would have happened if Russia and the US hadn’t have joined the war.
However, we do know know that Russia tied up a lot of the German army on the Eastern front and the superpower of the US had a huge impact.
That’s not education driving ideology. It’s fact. [Post edited 24 Aug 8:42]
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The Red army killed more Germans than all the allies together. It was on a scale that dwarfed the western front.
They more than tied up, they destroyed the Germans. The US wasn't a superpower at the time. | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:54 - Aug 24 with 1013 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pro Palestine marches on 15:46 - Aug 24 by Dr_Winston |
If both were required to be taught that might make a difference. They aren't. From the very document you linked to:
"Learners will study one of the following six historical topics"
My stepdaughter recently sat her history GCSE. Guess which topic she did?
Teaching totalitarianism as a specific subject would require the education system to look equally at both right wing and left wing varieties of it. You'd have to be stunningly naive to think that's something a significant proportion of teachers would want any part of. |
That document isn’t in force yet. I just used it to point out that your suggestion that it’s not absent isn’t true.
Your stepdaughter would have done 3 or 4 topics and it’s likely that one of them would have been WW2. There are a number of reasons for this including:
1. Most the the schemes of work for key stages 3 and 4 end up focussing on British history. WW2 is probably the biggest single event to impact on the lives of British people. There is no socialist equivalent.
2. Schools (despite of what some believe goes on) are supposed to promote British values. The topic lends itself brilliantly and can support national pride.
3. It can help children understand their place in the world. Most families will have family who would have been involved. This really helps children understand.
4. It’s easy to resource and bring to life. War museums, memorials, speakers, Remembrance. visits to Normandy/Ypres. You can go to most cities in the country and look into the impact of the war.
It’s worth bearing in mind the the topics are set centrally. There’s some room for teacher choice but not much as it’s those topics exam boards set test on. | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 19:59 - Aug 24 with 967 views | onehunglow |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:35 - Aug 24 by controversial_jack |
The Red army killed more Germans than all the allies together. It was on a scale that dwarfed the western front.
They more than tied up, they destroyed the Germans. The US wasn't a superpower at the time. |
And the sub human Red Army sub humans taped note German women en route to Berlin than all the Allies together
Experts at it
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| Pro Palestine marches on 20:21 - Aug 24 with 963 views | Boundy |
| Pro Palestine marches on 21:27 - Aug 22 by controversial_jack |
If it wasn't for the Russians is and the Yanks would never have defeated the Germans. Nazi crimes were on a different level to any others |
If it wasn't for the UK and US sending men to their deaths in the attempt to supply Russia with aid via the artic convoys then Russia would have not paid a part in the war as it finally did.Dint forget they signed a treaty with the Nazis ,didn't seem to think that little detail mattered then . | |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 01:02 - Aug 25 with 894 views | DJack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:21 - Aug 24 by Boundy |
If it wasn't for the UK and US sending men to their deaths in the attempt to supply Russia with aid via the artic convoys then Russia would have not paid a part in the war as it finally did.Dint forget they signed a treaty with the Nazis ,didn't seem to think that little detail mattered then . |
Senior Russian servicemen stated that without US and UK support they would not have survived... Only Putinistas and they're supporters say otherwise. |  |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 01:21 - Aug 25 with 882 views | Robbie |
BBC reporting some Palestine students and fit for work entitlement are looking at the UK to get them out of their area of conflict .we can work in the NHS if necessary , qualified .
Starmer really is in a minefield , goodies or baddies entering Britain , good luck there .
Any sympathy for him was long gone even before the last General Election vote .
I will smash the small boats problem could be the title of his memoir book release . | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 11:11 - Aug 25 with 774 views | Boundy |
| Pro Palestine marches on 18:35 - Aug 24 by controversial_jack |
The Red army killed more Germans than all the allies together. It was on a scale that dwarfed the western front.
They more than tied up, they destroyed the Germans. The US wasn't a superpower at the time. |
As you say the US wasn't a super power at the time which makes it all the more remarkable than they could furnish a depleted British armed forces with the land lease agreement,build up it's own armed forces and help Ivan along the way .
I did read recently that the US were manufacturing a B47 every hour at the height of the war were fighting on 3 separate fronts whereas in the main Russia only had the eastern front to contend with. | |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 15:32 - Aug 25 with 672 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
There was one genocide in g history when UK looked the other way in history. This one is in front of our eyes and Likud are the perpetrators.
The boat people are a problem created for Europe by US Isreali global policies of destabilising stable Arab dictatorships.
I do not know any other people in a land they own prevented from self rule and a parliament.. Puerto Rico possibly.. | |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 15:49 - Aug 25 with 653 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 20:21 - Aug 24 by Boundy |
If it wasn't for the UK and US sending men to their deaths in the attempt to supply Russia with aid via the artic convoys then Russia would have not paid a part in the war as it finally did.Dint forget they signed a treaty with the Nazis ,didn't seem to think that little detail mattered then . |
The convoys yes, but they only played a small part. How much equipment do you think they could supply for the huge Red army.
US lend lease didn't really arrive in quantity until after the battle of Stalingrad. Russian war production was huge | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 19:31 - Aug 25 with 582 views | AnotherJohn |
| Pro Palestine marches on 15:49 - Aug 25 by controversial_jack |
The convoys yes, but they only played a small part. How much equipment do you think they could supply for the huge Red army.
US lend lease didn't really arrive in quantity until after the battle of Stalingrad. Russian war production was huge |
For a long time the Soviet leadership played down the importance of the convoys. Later it emerged that Marshal Zhukov admitted in private, “Now they say that the Allies never helped us, but it can’t be denied that they gave us so many goods without which we wouldn’t have been able to form our reserves and continue the war. We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without that steel? Without their trucks we wouldn’t have had anything with which to pull our artillery.” | | | |
| Pro Palestine marches on 19:59 - Aug 25 with 553 views | Boundy |
| Pro Palestine marches on 12:37 - Aug 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
My Uncle Llewellyn was in the merchant navy running kit to.Murmansk. Died about 5 years back. The family was from Porthcawl. |
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| Pro Palestine marches on 22:05 - Aug 25 with 491 views | controversial_jack |
| Pro Palestine marches on 19:31 - Aug 25 by AnotherJohn |
For a long time the Soviet leadership played down the importance of the convoys. Later it emerged that Marshal Zhukov admitted in private, “Now they say that the Allies never helped us, but it can’t be denied that they gave us so many goods without which we wouldn’t have been able to form our reserves and continue the war. We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without that steel? Without their trucks we wouldn’t have had anything with which to pull our artillery.” |
Russia got taken by surprise with Blitzkrieg and took a while to recover and get going, but when they did they were formidable. | | | |
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