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I should have paid more. 13:27 - Sep 3 with 17820 views

Angela Raynors words. Labour really are imploding, at the very least she should be suspended while this is investigated.

I should have paid more. on 18:35 - Sep 5 with 2595 views

onehunglow

I should have paid more. on 18:01 - Sep 5 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth
I misspoke. Deputy leader I should have said not deputy prime minister. That’s voted on by conference by the members and the unions have the power there.

I read it’s all about the male elite not wanting a council house , pregnant at 16 , northern accented woman in such a powerful position
When you have people who think like this , we truly are buggered
Labour voters ,Tory haters have to swallow this
No excuses

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I should have paid more. on 19:06 - Sep 5 with 2538 views

Gwyn737

My take on it is this.

1. She had to go. I won’t go down the road of ‘but the Tories’. Labour can’t pretend to set a standard then fall so far below it.

2. In her career, she has some huge achievements around women’s safety and workers rights.

3. Prior to this incident she has received shocking treatment by some be being a working class female who has risen from poverty and doesn’t dress in the way some think she should.

I should have paid more. on 19:40 - Sep 5 with 2509 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 17:51 - Sep 5 by majorraglan

The landscape had changed significantly over the last 24 - 36 hours and based on the facts as they are now it is my belief that she should be now be referred to the Standards Committee do they can consider the matter. Her conduct has now been shown to have come up short of the required standard and she needs to face the consequences. If I were Starmer I’d probably want to see her suspended and deselected by her constituents because that’ll mean the end of her.

She should face criminal charges. If it was you or me we would end up in court for fiddling £40,000 tax bill.

I should have paid more. on 19:43 - Sep 5 with 2505 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 19:40 - Sep 5 by Whiterockin
She should face criminal charges. If it was you or me we would end up in court for fiddling £40,000 tax bill.

Not an expert but I don’t think it’s a criminal offence.

I should have paid more. on 20:05 - Sep 5 with 2471 views

Demitrius

I should have paid more. on 19:43 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737
Not an expert but I don’t think it’s a criminal offence.

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“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”

I should have paid more. on 20:07 - Sep 5 with 2459 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 20:05 - Sep 5 by Demitrius
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That’s stretching it a bit 🤣

I should have paid more. on 20:08 - Sep 5 with 2456 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 19:43 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737
Not an expert but I don’t think it’s a criminal offence.

I'm pretty sure about 20 years ago stamp duty was grouped with income tax and evasion is a criminal offence. That's if she tried to avoid paying the full amount that was due.

I should have paid more. on 20:12 - Sep 5 with 2434 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 20:08 - Sep 5 by Whiterockin
I'm pretty sure about 20 years ago stamp duty was grouped with income tax and evasion is a criminal offence. That's if she tried to avoid paying the full amount that was due.

As I said, I’m no expert and just repeating what I’ve read.

I should have paid more. on 20:20 - Sep 5 with 2423 views

AnotherJohn

I should have paid more. on 19:43 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737
Not an expert but I don’t think it’s a criminal offence.

I'd expect that the outcome will be that HMRC fine Rayner 20% or 30% of the unpaid tax as a penalty. HMRC's normal policy is to pursue civil penalties for underpayments or even fraud, and in this case the penalty would be regarded in that way. Only exceptionally do HMRC initiate criminal proceedings.

I should have paid more. on 20:25 - Sep 5 with 2402 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 20:20 - Sep 5 by AnotherJohn
I'd expect that the outcome will be that HMRC fine Rayner 20% or 30% of the unpaid tax as a penalty. HMRC's normal policy is to pursue civil penalties for underpayments or even fraud, and in this case the penalty would be regarded in that way. Only exceptionally do HMRC initiate criminal proceedings.

I assume that would kick in if the money wasn’t or couldn’t be paid back?

The last similar(ish) I can think of was Nadhim Zahawi. That was a far larger amount but he paid the fine with no criminal charges.

I should have paid more. on 21:36 - Sep 5 with 2352 views

Demitrius

I should have paid more. on 19:43 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737
Not an expert but I don’t think it’s a criminal offence.

Al Capone might disagree....

“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”

I should have paid more. on 21:46 - Sep 5 with 2329 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 21:36 - Sep 5 by Demitrius
Al Capone might disagree....

Not really comparable though, is it.

It seems it’s not a criminal offence.

It may have been in the 1920s United States.

I should have paid more. on 00:43 - Sep 6 with 2226 views

majorraglan

I should have paid more. on 20:05 - Sep 5 by Demitrius
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Different country, different laws…..

That said, on things like this my view is pretty straightforward. Make an honest mistake and you get the benefit of the doubt, if you break the law then r your conduct comes up short, then expect to be sanctioned.

I should have paid more. on 01:17 - Sep 6 with 2194 views

Robbie

Looks like Starmer in now rearranging the deck chairs on The Titanic to save his skin .

As an aside , photoshots of him becoming PM and with Ange as his side smiling and happy as seen on tele today tell a picture .

He really has aged , as we all do , but he looks broken and maybe call it a day now mush.

I should have paid more. on 08:39 - Sep 6 with 2084 views

Boundy

I should have paid more. on 01:17 - Sep 6 by Robbie
Looks like Starmer in now rearranging the deck chairs on The Titanic to save his skin . As an aside , photoshots of him becoming PM and with Ange as his side smiling and happy as seen on tele today tell a picture . He really has aged , as we all do , but he looks broken and maybe call it a day now mush.

"He really has aged , as we all do , but he looks broken and maybe call it a day now mush" nah fug him .Just remember all those kids whose lives have been ruined because of his party's desire to maintain power .Hope his reward is in hell.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

I should have paid more. on 12:13 - Sep 6 with 1983 views

SullutaCreturned

I should have paid more. on 21:46 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737
Not really comparable though, is it. It seems it’s not a criminal offence. It may have been in the 1920s United States.

It is a criminal offence but they usually fine the culprit.

I think Capone is directly comparable seeing as it was tax fraud that they prosecuted him for and not the multiple criminal enterprises he was involvd in.

I should have paid more. on 12:28 - Sep 6 with 1961 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 12:13 - Sep 6 by SullutaCreturned
It is a criminal offence but they usually fine the culprit. I think Capone is directly comparable seeing as it was tax fraud that they prosecuted him for and not the multiple criminal enterprises he was involvd in.

I think it’s too difficult to prove that this type of offence is criminal.

I assume that’s why they’re settled in a fine.

I should have paid more. on 13:05 - Sep 6 with 1915 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 12:28 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
I think it’s too difficult to prove that this type of offence is criminal. I assume that’s why they’re settled in a fine.

The flat is mortgaged and paid for from her sons trust fund. The extra £40,000 in tax plus the penalties will probably mean she has to sell the flat. What goes around comes around.

I should have paid more. on 13:08 - Sep 6 with 1914 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 13:05 - Sep 6 by Whiterockin
The flat is mortgaged and paid for from her sons trust fund. The extra £40,000 in tax plus the penalties will probably mean she has to sell the flat. What goes around comes around.

Quite right too.

However I think using Raynor and Al Capone as an example of two tier justice is a bit too much 🤣

I should have paid more. on 13:32 - Sep 6 with 1886 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 13:08 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
Quite right too. However I think using Raynor and Al Capone as an example of two tier justice is a bit too much 🤣

I didn't mention Al Capone mate.

Al Capone was smart.

I should have paid more. on 13:34 - Sep 6 with 1872 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 13:32 - Sep 6 by Whiterockin
I didn't mention Al Capone mate. Al Capone was smart.

Harking back to a previous post 👍

I should have paid more. on 13:44 - Sep 6 with 1862 views

onehunglow

A perfect example of using class to get on on politics
Ange never let anyone forget her past
Starmer had best watch his back
As regards dressing , if my daughter were at that level on public life I would be displeased to see her dress on such ill fitting , inappropriate attire
Looks matter . Fact
There is much support for her from the “ working class” notwithstanding her “ mistakes”

We are buggered

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I should have paid more. on 14:04 - Sep 6 with 1837 views

Demitrius

I should have paid more. on 12:13 - Sep 6 by SullutaCreturned
It is a criminal offence but they usually fine the culprit. I think Capone is directly comparable seeing as it was tax fraud that they prosecuted him for and not the multiple criminal enterprises he was involvd in.

Thanks. That was the point I was making.

Tax evasion is a criminal offence in both the US and the UK with fines and custodial sentences applicable.

The current maximum jail term in the UK is 7 years but the Government, somewhat ironically, are trying to increase this to 14 years.

While Rayner's case is not serious enough to warrant a criminal investigation, £40,000 is not an insignificant amount to not pay HMRC and I think it's utter nonsense that she didn't try to swerve paying the Stamp Duty....

“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”

I should have paid more. on 14:05 - Sep 6 with 1832 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 13:44 - Sep 6 by onehunglow

A perfect example of the snobbery she had had to put up with.

Doesn’t excuse her behaviour, but to suggest she hasn’t made an impact or not any significant achievements is not true.

Why on earth how she dresses has anything to to with it I don’t know. It’s the political version of ‘she was asking for it’. Has n

I should have paid more. on 14:35 - Sep 6 with 1779 views

onehunglow

I should have paid more. on 14:05 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
A perfect example of the snobbery she had had to put up with. Doesn’t excuse her behaviour, but to suggest she hasn’t made an impact or not any significant achievements is not true. Why on earth how she dresses has anything to to with it I don’t know. It’s the political version of ‘she was asking for it’. Has n

Well that’s your view
I’m suggesting only what you perceive
Time was when “ working class “ folk took pride in their appearance and whenever in public wore their best clothes possible even if it was a hat
Same reason they scrubbed steps when they had little
Having kids have n her circumstances isn’t or shouldn’t be a badge of honour and certainly not one to use for personal gain , as she does

The hard done by poor northern working class girl makes good and is not accepted though by the elite

Yeah baby

Betty Bootroyd was the daughter of a cotton mill worker with a poverty background greater still
She became a proud northern and always smart public figure who didn’t use her gob to impress fellow “ working class”

If this is snobbery then guilty but there are no greater snobs than inverted ones and this includes class warriors
No government on my lifetime has ever addressed the core problem on this country and that is class and how it divides
The elite are seen as posh rich successful scum when in fact they are often leeches

The elite are those who have created this country , miners ,shipbuilders , stone masons , cotton spinners , wool weavers and the skilled craftsmen whose legacy survives

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