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I should have paid more. 13:27 - Sep 3 with 18337 views

Angela Raynors words. Labour really are imploding, at the very least she should be suspended while this is investigated.

I should have paid more. on 14:43 - Sep 6 with 3341 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 14:35 - Sep 6 by onehunglow

Well that’s your view
I’m suggesting only what you perceive
Time was when “ working class “ folk took pride in their appearance and whenever in public wore their best clothes possible even if it was a hat
Same reason they scrubbed steps when they had little
Having kids have n her circumstances isn’t or shouldn’t be a badge of honour and certainly not one to use for personal gain , as she does

The hard done by poor northern working class girl makes good and is not accepted though by the elite

Yeah baby

Betty Bootroyd was the daughter of a cotton mill worker with a poverty background greater still
She became a proud northern and always smart public figure who didn’t use her gob to impress fellow “ working class”

If this is snobbery then guilty but there are no greater snobs than inverted ones and this includes class warriors
No government on my lifetime has ever addressed the core problem on this country and that is class and how it divides
The elite are seen as posh rich successful scum when in fact they are often leeches

The elite are those who have created this country , miners ,shipbuilders , stone masons , cotton spinners , wool weavers and the skilled craftsmen whose legacy survives

Yes, it’s incredibly hard for working class women to on.

Some have managed it by changing everything about themselves to appease class snobs.

I should have paid more. on 14:49 - Sep 6 with 3325 views

onehunglow

I should have paid more. on 14:43 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
Yes, it’s incredibly hard for working class women to on. Some have managed it by changing everything about themselves to appease class snobs.

And we could discuss who exactly is working class
I don’t recognise any stigmatising crap
Nobody should be stuck on a class closet be they “ rich” or not

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I should have paid more. on 15:11 - Sep 6 with 3314 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 14:49 - Sep 6 by onehunglow
And we could discuss who exactly is working class I don’t recognise any stigmatising crap Nobody should be stuck on a class closet be they “ rich” or not

And nobody should be stigmatised for what they wear or their accent.

I should have paid more. on 11:31 - Sep 7 with 3036 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 15:11 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
And nobody should be stigmatised for what they wear or their accent.

So Rayner is having £17,000 as a golden goodbye. Should she accept it, refuse it or donate it to charity.

I should have paid more. on 12:11 - Sep 7 with 2990 views

Dr_Winston

I should have paid more. on 11:31 - Sep 7 by Whiterockin
So Rayner is having £17,000 as a golden goodbye. Should she accept it, refuse it or donate it to charity.

She'll be losing her income as a Cabinet Member so she's probably going to need the money to pay the mortgage and/or tax bill.

Would be ironic if she has to sell the Hove Holiday Home anyway.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

I should have paid more. on 12:41 - Sep 7 with 2957 views

SullutaCreturned

I should have paid more. on 15:11 - Sep 6 by Gwyn737
And nobody should be stigmatised for what they wear or their accent.

I have stigmatised her for being a bully, a loudmouth and now for a massive error of judgement which shows how unsuitable she was, she's not alone there and there are still many in politics who shouldn't be there.

I don't care what the accent is or what they wear, I care what they do.

I should have paid more. on 12:58 - Sep 7 with 2928 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 12:41 - Sep 7 by SullutaCreturned
I have stigmatised her for being a bully, a loudmouth and now for a massive error of judgement which shows how unsuitable she was, she's not alone there and there are still many in politics who shouldn't be there. I don't care what the accent is or what they wear, I care what they do.

And she’s been a successful politician with some real tangible achievements.

I’m not sure about being a bully - I may have missed this story.

I’m not defending her - she had to go, I just don’t think she’s historically had fair treatment, particularly by the press

Sadly we’ve a long history of our leaders feathering their nest, so why does she in particular end up with this:

I should have paid more. on 13:04 - Sep 7 with 2923 views

Boundy

I should have paid more. on 12:58 - Sep 7 by Gwyn737
And she’s been a successful politician with some real tangible achievements. I’m not sure about being a bully - I may have missed this story. I’m not defending her - she had to go, I just don’t think she’s historically had fair treatment, particularly by the press Sadly we’ve a long history of our leaders feathering their nest, so why does she in particular end up with this:

It's been painted over , by the taxpayer of course..
I'm not sure what her successful achievements are, she's certainly done well for herself with a limited education so much so she found herself in a position to be able to buy an 800 thousand pound house , regardless.I think you'll find she's been the darling of the left wing press for a while, not so by the right wing but that's to be expected.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

I should have paid more. on 13:17 - Sep 7 with 2902 views

Dr_Winston

Based on her behaviour if the media is giving her a hard time then it's doing its job properly and kudos to the investigative journalists who broke the story in the first place. It's becoming a rare event these days.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

I should have paid more. on 14:28 - Sep 7 with 2829 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 13:04 - Sep 7 by Boundy
It's been painted over , by the taxpayer of course.. I'm not sure what her successful achievements are, she's certainly done well for herself with a limited education so much so she found herself in a position to be able to buy an 800 thousand pound house , regardless.I think you'll find she's been the darling of the left wing press for a while, not so by the right wing but that's to be expected.

The fact it’s been painted over doesn’t make it right. Hopefully those who did will be caught.

Your reasoning for why she’s the darling of the left and not the right is spot on.

Working class background, limited education, young mother etc, climbing the pole to a position of influence.

Enough to make the Mail metaphorically froth at the mouth.

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I should have paid more. on 14:30 - Sep 7 with 2826 views

Gwyn737

I should have paid more. on 13:17 - Sep 7 by Dr_Winston
Based on her behaviour if the media is giving her a hard time then it's doing its job properly and kudos to the investigative journalists who broke the story in the first place. It's becoming a rare event these days.

Important investagitive journalism brought her to book and those involved deserve the plaudits.

Her treatment before this was classist and mysoginistic.

I should have paid more. on 15:29 - Sep 7 with 2748 views

onehunglow

I should have paid more. on 14:30 - Sep 7 by Gwyn737
Important investagitive journalism brought her to book and those involved deserve the plaudits. Her treatment before this was classist and mysoginistic.

No it was not
She wasn’t exactly in need of anyone defending her
If you’re on public life, expect scrutiny
Class is what kills usit always has
The “ toffs” , posh, old Etonians all hated by those THEY seem “ working class “ , worst “ ordinary “ or average

These are terms of abuse that those who can use to keep others in their place

They succeed

The Royals, landowners, public school boys, rich, bankers and “ wealth” are often trailer tradh
They are NOT the elite

When will folk wake up to this

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I should have paid more. on 16:46 - Sep 7 with 2669 views

JACKMANANDBOY

I should have paid more. on 15:29 - Sep 7 by onehunglow

Rather incredible that some see Rayner's case as to do with class or sex, at the heart of the matter is a deputy PM who when told to take specialist tax advice did not.

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I should have paid more. on 16:57 - Sep 7 with 2646 views

Whiterockin

I should have paid more. on 16:46 - Sep 7 by JACKMANANDBOY
Rather incredible that some see Rayner's case as to do with class or sex, at the heart of the matter is a deputy PM who when told to take specialist tax advice did not.

The problem here is when people look for excuses to defend someone because they support their political party. Rayner paid too little tax and tried to get out of it by lying, nothing to do with sex, class or anything else.

I should have paid more. on 17:23 - Sep 7 with 2606 views

AnotherJohn

I agree with the argument that Angela Rayner's fate is not the result of discrimination based on social class, but it is still interesting to reflect on what is at issue when Angela and her supporters say she is "proper working class". From my own experience as somebody from a humble background, the working class is itself quite highly differentiated and there are sharp internal differences of opinion about what "proper" behaviour entails. One has only to read Hoggart's The Uses of Literacy or J B Priestley's Studies in English Culture to see what I mean about gradations of respectability and deservingness in traditional working class cultures. I'm not sure that everyone on the estate where I grew up would think pregnant at 16 and a granny by 35 was a typical working class trajectory, and there would probably have been quite a lot of gossip back in the day about national assistance and the like. If Angela indeed served as a useful representation - an icon - within the Labour Party of working class identity as understood today, all I can say is that things have moved on a lot since Hoggart's day.

I should have paid more. on 19:15 - Sep 7 with 2505 views

SullutaCreturned

I should have paid more. on 12:58 - Sep 7 by Gwyn737
And she’s been a successful politician with some real tangible achievements. I’m not sure about being a bully - I may have missed this story. I’m not defending her - she had to go, I just don’t think she’s historically had fair treatment, particularly by the press Sadly we’ve a long history of our leaders feathering their nest, so why does she in particular end up with this:

I have seen her on tv shouting people down, today that is called bullying.

I guess there's a lot of politicians from left and right who have managed some good things but still turned out to be bad people. Not that I'm saying Rayner is bad but her judgement is definitely flawed.

I should have paid more. on 19:23 - Sep 7 with 2489 views

Dr_Winston

Rayner is basically a textbook bully. Happy to dish it out when she thinks she's got backing and is untouchable, then out come the tears and accusations of snobbery and classist abuse when caught with her hands in the cookie jar.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

I should have paid more. on 22:34 - Sep 7 with 2387 views

Gwyn737

I’m not sure I could have been clearer.

I’ve my comments on her treatment have been directed at the time before the tax issue (bat the graffiti.

She deserves everything that comes her way what she’s done.

Edit: thus still holds true -

‘I think Angela Raynor is a rubbish politician who has been caught acting abhorrently’ - absolutely fine.

‘I think Angela Raynor is a rubbish politician who has been caught acting abhorrently and have you seen how she dresses/speaks’ - not fine.

[Post edited 7 Sep 22:38]

I should have paid more. on 09:34 - Sep 8 with 2207 views

Boundy

I should have paid more. on 19:15 - Sep 7 by SullutaCreturned
I have seen her on tv shouting people down, today that is called bullying. I guess there's a lot of politicians from left and right who have managed some good things but still turned out to be bad people. Not that I'm saying Rayner is bad but her judgement is definitely flawed.

Maybe the point being missed here is because she made such a fuss of coming from a working class background that her personal standards were more in keeping of someone normally associated with the Tory party .
You believe she's being/been bullied ,why not make a similar comment when you see Farage for example being bullied during interviews or having items thrown at him and other MPs , being shouted at is and occupational hazard and imo too many MPs are so out of touch with how the public feel about them that a good dose of "Kier Starmer's an anchor" for example wouldn't go amiss.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

I should have paid more. on 09:36 - Sep 8 with 2205 views

Joesus_Of_Narbereth

I should have paid more. on 22:34 - Sep 7 by Gwyn737

[Post edited 7 Sep 22:38]

She was happy to stand up in parliament and make disparaging remarks about Boris Johnson’s appearance, dodgy behaviour and multiple affairs so she has lost the right to complain when others comment on hers.

She’s always engaged in politics of the gutter and absolutely epitomises the modern trend of people getting on by being gobby rather than having any sort of talent.

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I should have paid more. on 16:32 - Sep 9 with 1698 views

SullutaCreturned

I should have paid more. on 09:34 - Sep 8 by Boundy

Either you quoted the wrong person or you misread my post.

I should have paid more. on 17:34 - Sep 9 with 1627 views

JACKMANANDBOY

The amount of noise in this matter is incredible. The Deputy PM was advised by solicitors twice to get specialist tax advice and didn't manage to do so.
If the Deputy PM can't follow instructions then they don't deserve to be in post. Or we can play bingo.......

Working class
Woman
Teenage mother
Northerner
Labour politician
Right wing press
Not posh enough
Ginger
Size 5 feet
Etc.

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I should have paid more. on 01:37 - Sep 10 with 1376 views

Robbie

Looks like Rach from accounts will have to raid the piggy bank , saved for a rainy day event .

BBC report she has to get access to the Treasury Reseve kitty , only to be used in exceptinal circumstances it seems .

Allied to a report on Radio 2 stating 25 % of UK residents cannot work because of stress related mental health problems , the new bad back or my granny has died excuse , I need a sick paper please doc .

The Government OAP Pension will implode and I recieve that benefit , I have worked too all my life and paid my NI contributions , I would like a return please .

How the younger generation are now able , even if working be capable of keeping us old coffin dodgers financed , added to the Hotel Bills running into millions per week .

Good luck Rach , Ange will I am sure give you a hug soon .

I should have paid more. on 07:50 - Sep 10 with 1284 views

Boundy

I should have paid more. on 16:32 - Sep 9 by SullutaCreturned
Either you quoted the wrong person or you misread my post.

Probably both

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

I should have paid more. on 12:32 - Sep 10 with 1218 views

Boundy

I should have paid more. on 17:34 - Sep 9 by JACKMANANDBOY
The amount of noise in this matter is incredible. The Deputy PM was advised by solicitors twice to get specialist tax advice and didn't manage to do so. If the Deputy PM can't follow instructions then they don't deserve to be in post. Or we can play bingo....... Working class Woman Teenage mother Northerner Labour politician Right wing press Not posh enough Ginger Size 5 feet Etc.

Well she does have the support of another tax dodger ,one of the krankie impersonators Nicola Sturgeon has come out and declared that she was hounded out of office because of her background and sex.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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