| I should have paid more. 13:27 - Sep 3 with 17819 views | Whiterockin |
Angela Raynors words. Labour really are imploding, at the very least she should be suspended while this is investigated. |  | | |  |
| I should have paid more. on 18:52 - Sep 3 with 2970 views | Whiterockin |
| I should have paid more. on 18:48 - Sep 3 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There are probably thousands and thousands of women in politics far more talented, capable, intelligent and hard working than Rayner will ever be but they didn’t have the benefit of being married to the leader of one of the biggest unions who can parachute them into the safest seat in the country.
She’s got to where she has through pure naked nepotism. |
Rayner and Reeves are putting women in politics back years. | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 18:56 - Sep 3 with 2950 views | shingle |
| I should have paid more. on 13:49 - Sep 3 by union_jack |
I’m no fan of this woman I admit but gullible I may be in thinking that the advice she was given was wrong but that she acted in good faith.
It was not a simple case apparently and being in her position I can’t imagine she would do it deliberately to avoid paying the correct tax.
If I’m wrong I’ll hold my hands up. |
Come on now she dealt with a very professional and top class firm who would have been well aware giving bad advice to such a well known public figure would be extremely bad for buisness, I would imagine this is a case of her not giving them the right information in the first place in order to avoid paying the 40,000 the woman has sleaze written all over her. |  | | |
| I should have paid more. on 19:14 - Sep 3 with 2914 views | Dr_Winston |
It's not as if she doesn't have previous for dodgy property dealings. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| I should have paid more. on 22:13 - Sep 3 with 2823 views | majorraglan |
| I should have paid more. on 18:48 - Sep 3 by Whiterockin |
Don't you feel that it is very worrying that the housing minister took advice on housing and it was legally wrong. Scale that up through the government housing minister making a housing decision which could impact government policy and it was not accurate and you start to see a government making a number of u turns. Either the government ministers are not up to the job or their advisors are not, possibly both and you start to see how the country is in a mess. |
I’d have thought that the advice she was given would have come from her a solicitor /legal professional who has nothing to do with and is completely independent of the government.
If I am paying a solicitor to do work for me, conveyancing etc I expect them to get things right because they should be experts in their field and that is what I’m paying them for.
I recently had some conveyancing done by one of the partners are a reputable solicitors practice near me and it cost an arm and a leg. Why would I doubt his professional competence - he’s the subject matter expert and that’s why I went to him.
There are strict rules around civil servants / government employees giving advice on private matters and she shouldn’t have been getting advice on this issue from civil servants.
It’ll be interesting to see who has advised her and what exactly they said. I’m no fan of Raynor, but if she’s acted in good faith based on legal advice she had no reason to suspect was wrong I’ll cut her some slack on this, but if she’s telling porkies, or being economical with the truth or has been negligent she should be sacked and booted out of parliament. [Post edited 3 Sep 23:36]
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| I should have paid more. on 22:35 - Sep 3 with 2789 views | johnlangy |
| I should have paid more. on 18:42 - Sep 3 by majorraglan |
That may be the case, but we need complete clarity and to be able to scrutinise the detail to ensure the facts stack up, anything short of that isn’t good enough.
She’s a Minister of State and the Deputy Prime Minister, there can be nothing short of 100% transparency. |
100% agree. | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 23:43 - Sep 3 with 2747 views | majorraglan |
| I should have paid more. on 18:56 - Sep 3 by shingle |
Come on now she dealt with a very professional and top class firm who would have been well aware giving bad advice to such a well known public figure would be extremely bad for buisness, I would imagine this is a case of her not giving them the right information in the first place in order to avoid paying the 40,000 the woman has sleaze written all over her. |
We don’t know the facts yet, but if she’s had bad advice, hasn’t been negligent and acted based on the advice which she believed to be correct I’d be prepared to cut her some slack, but if she’s been negligent, told pork pies, been economical with the truth or the facts then she should be sacked from her post and hopefully disciplined by the Standards Committee, suspended from Parliament and eventually booted out of office via the recall process.
There should be zero tolerance of any misconduct or dishonesty. | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 00:50 - Sep 4 with 2707 views | Robbie |
Looks like she is throwing her extremely well paid lawyers under the bus to save her own skin .
Not my fault I took expert legal advice on the deals , blame my advisors .
How many times is it better to hold your hand and admit I made an error , my mistake .
Been there myself on work mess ups , yep it was me who made the wrong call .
Life is a lot easier if you are honest , a cover up on the shop floor is achievable can be done .
A mess up in the Publics eye with all the press desperate to finish Labour off and she throws more fuel on the fire . | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 06:26 - Sep 4 with 2671 views | Whiterockin |
| I should have paid more. on 22:13 - Sep 3 by majorraglan |
I’d have thought that the advice she was given would have come from her a solicitor /legal professional who has nothing to do with and is completely independent of the government.
If I am paying a solicitor to do work for me, conveyancing etc I expect them to get things right because they should be experts in their field and that is what I’m paying them for.
I recently had some conveyancing done by one of the partners are a reputable solicitors practice near me and it cost an arm and a leg. Why would I doubt his professional competence - he’s the subject matter expert and that’s why I went to him.
There are strict rules around civil servants / government employees giving advice on private matters and she shouldn’t have been getting advice on this issue from civil servants.
It’ll be interesting to see who has advised her and what exactly they said. I’m no fan of Raynor, but if she’s acted in good faith based on legal advice she had no reason to suspect was wrong I’ll cut her some slack on this, but if she’s telling porkies, or being economical with the truth or has been negligent she should be sacked and booted out of parliament. [Post edited 3 Sep 23:36]
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As a government minister, I would have thought she would have had the best advice available in the field that is relevant to her ministerial position at the end of the phone. | | | |
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| I should have paid more. on 09:48 - Sep 4 with 2602 views | onehunglow |
| I should have paid more. on 00:50 - Sep 4 by Robbie |
Looks like she is throwing her extremely well paid lawyers under the bus to save her own skin .
Not my fault I took expert legal advice on the deals , blame my advisors .
How many times is it better to hold your hand and admit I made an error , my mistake .
Been there myself on work mess ups , yep it was me who made the wrong call .
Life is a lot easier if you are honest , a cover up on the shop floor is achievable can be done .
A mess up in the Publics eye with all the press desperate to finish Labour off and she throws more fuel on the fire . |
No politician these days says sorry unless it suits them
She’s been found out and like them all , like a rat, tries to save her own skin
The girl from a council house is a.sepia memory | |
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| I should have paid more. on 10:12 - Sep 4 with 2575 views | raynor94 |
| I should have paid more. on 22:13 - Sep 3 by majorraglan |
I’d have thought that the advice she was given would have come from her a solicitor /legal professional who has nothing to do with and is completely independent of the government.
If I am paying a solicitor to do work for me, conveyancing etc I expect them to get things right because they should be experts in their field and that is what I’m paying them for.
I recently had some conveyancing done by one of the partners are a reputable solicitors practice near me and it cost an arm and a leg. Why would I doubt his professional competence - he’s the subject matter expert and that’s why I went to him.
There are strict rules around civil servants / government employees giving advice on private matters and she shouldn’t have been getting advice on this issue from civil servants.
It’ll be interesting to see who has advised her and what exactly they said. I’m no fan of Raynor, but if she’s acted in good faith based on legal advice she had no reason to suspect was wrong I’ll cut her some slack on this, but if she’s telling porkies, or being economical with the truth or has been negligent she should be sacked and booted out of parliament. [Post edited 3 Sep 23:36]
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It all depends on what information she gave to the legal professional he can only advise on what he's told |  |
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| I should have paid more. on 11:23 - Sep 4 with 2527 views | Dr_Winston |
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| I should have paid more. on 13:07 - Sep 4 with 2483 views | onehunglow |
Well they are doing what Tories don’t and that’s sticking up for her even though she’s in the wrong
Trough behaviour | |
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| I should have paid more. on 13:10 - Sep 4 with 2481 views | Flashberryjack |
In normal times I would have expected MP's of all parties would be lining up to slaughter her, surprisingly, she has a lot of sympathisers.
Could it be that be that a lot of MP's are just as guilty as Rayner, glass houses and stones, greedy b*stards. |  |
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| I should have paid more. on 13:15 - Sep 4 with 2474 views | onehunglow |
| I should have paid more. on 13:10 - Sep 4 by Flashberryjack |
In normal times I would have expected MP's of all parties would be lining up to slaughter her, surprisingly, she has a lot of sympathisers.
Could it be that be that a lot of MP's are just as guilty as Rayner, glass houses and stones, greedy b*stards. |
Last paragraph is right | |
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| I should have paid more. on 13:51 - Sep 4 with 2422 views | KeithHaynes |
| I should have paid more. on 10:12 - Sep 4 by raynor94 |
It all depends on what information she gave to the legal professional he can only advise on what he's told |
Or she is stating she was given legal advice and after she got in the shit more legal advice stated, involve your son, get sympathy, it will be ok.
Absolute scumbag like all of them. |  |
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| I should have paid more. on 16:04 - Sep 4 with 2358 views | onehunglow |
| I should have paid more. on 13:51 - Sep 4 by KeithHaynes |
Or she is stating she was given legal advice and after she got in the shit more legal advice stated, involve your son, get sympathy, it will be ok.
Absolute scumbag like all of them. |
Using a disabled son
Doesn’t really get much lower | |
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| I should have paid more. on 17:02 - Sep 4 with 2335 views | SullutaCreturned |
| I should have paid more. on 22:13 - Sep 3 by majorraglan |
I’d have thought that the advice she was given would have come from her a solicitor /legal professional who has nothing to do with and is completely independent of the government.
If I am paying a solicitor to do work for me, conveyancing etc I expect them to get things right because they should be experts in their field and that is what I’m paying them for.
I recently had some conveyancing done by one of the partners are a reputable solicitors practice near me and it cost an arm and a leg. Why would I doubt his professional competence - he’s the subject matter expert and that’s why I went to him.
There are strict rules around civil servants / government employees giving advice on private matters and she shouldn’t have been getting advice on this issue from civil servants.
It’ll be interesting to see who has advised her and what exactly they said. I’m no fan of Raynor, but if she’s acted in good faith based on legal advice she had no reason to suspect was wrong I’ll cut her some slack on this, but if she’s telling porkies, or being economical with the truth or has been negligent she should be sacked and booted out of parliament. [Post edited 3 Sep 23:36]
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I would have thought that as the HOUSING minister and any other minister would know they will be very strongly scrutinised by people praying they will find some dirt that she would ask legal experts in her own department who deal with these rules all the time.
I would expect than any half sensible minister would understand what would happen should they get caught out and even if it is a genuine mistake it will be public perception that will matter.
Public perception of politicians generally is very poor, you'd think she'd want to be whiter than white but instead she drew more scrutiny on herself and has been caught out.
What if she knew she was didging tax and the "I followed legal advice" line is a plausible lie she had ready for if anyone noticed her dodgy deal?
And yes, I don't trust politicians. | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 18:31 - Sep 4 with 2291 views | shingle |
| I should have paid more. on 00:50 - Sep 4 by Robbie |
Looks like she is throwing her extremely well paid lawyers under the bus to save her own skin .
Not my fault I took expert legal advice on the deals , blame my advisors .
How many times is it better to hold your hand and admit I made an error , my mistake .
Been there myself on work mess ups , yep it was me who made the wrong call .
Life is a lot easier if you are honest , a cover up on the shop floor is achievable can be done .
A mess up in the Publics eye with all the press desperate to finish Labour off and she throws more fuel on the fire . |
If she is throwing them under the bus and they have nothing to hide then they should make public and provide exactly what she provided to them in the first place as the information she provided to them would have been the reason they came to there conclusion. | | | |
| I should have paid more. on 18:33 - Sep 4 with 2285 views | shingle |
| I should have paid more. on 10:12 - Sep 4 by raynor94 |
It all depends on what information she gave to the legal professional he can only advise on what he's told |
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| I should have paid more. on 19:56 - Sep 4 with 2218 views | Dr_Winston |
Lots more coming out on this, including the allegation that the value of the house she "sold" to her son's Trust was inflated to twice the average sale price of other properties in the area. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| I should have paid more. on 20:07 - Sep 4 with 2182 views | onehunglow |
| I should have paid more. on 19:56 - Sep 4 by Dr_Winston |
Lots more coming out on this, including the allegation that the value of the house she "sold" to her son's Trust was inflated to twice the average sale price of other properties in the area. |
Damning
Or it should be | |
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| I should have paid more. on 21:30 - Sep 4 with 2128 views | Boundy |
| I should have paid more. on 20:07 - Sep 4 by onehunglow |
Damning
Or it should be |
Strange that Labour are changing the farming community inheritance process to prevent many families passing on their farms to protect their families futures and now the ginger one is using her son as a defence for her indiscretion. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| I should have paid more. on 21:39 - Sep 4 with 2107 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| I should have paid more. on 19:56 - Sep 4 by Dr_Winston |
Lots more coming out on this, including the allegation that the value of the house she "sold" to her son's Trust was inflated to twice the average sale price of other properties in the area. |
There should be a formal valuation by a qualified surveyor for any property entering a trust. |  |
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| I should have paid more. on 21:43 - Sep 4 with 2096 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| I should have paid more. on 18:19 - Sep 3 by johnlangy |
The 'family home' in Manchester is owned in trust by their disabled son. So as far as I understand it she has no financial interest in the house.
She says that now the only place she owns is the flat in Brighton. |
If the son is under eighteen she continues to be a potential beneficiary of the trust. So she has a financial interest in the property. | |
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