| Mandy’s best pal 07:25 - Sep 10 with 10348 views | AnotherJohn |
A case in the Virgin Islands has brought to light emails that show that Lord Mandelson was involved in a 2010 deal in which J P Morgan purchased the company Semphra Commodities with assistance from Jeffrey Epstein. Semphra was partly owned by the Royal Bank of Scotland, which had been bailed out with public money. This happened two years after Epstein’s conviction for prostitution with minors.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-brokered-billion-pound-deal-20483197
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lord-mandelson-brokered-1billion-deal-with
Separately, a birthday card from Mandelson to Epstein for the latter’s 50th birthday, brought to light by the US House Oversight Committee, contains the message: “Once upon a time an intelligent, sharp-witted man they call ‘mysterious’ parachuted into my life”. In the so-called “birthday book” he wrote that Epstein was known for “taking you by surprise … in one of his glorious homes he likes to share with his friends (yum yum)”. Mandy had spent a week on Epstein's island, where he was photographed in a bath robe.
Lord Mandelson is the UK’s ambassador to the USA and there are reports that he advised on the recent crisis following Rayner’s problems with misconduct. Reports say that he has said he “very much regrets ever having been introduced to Epstein.” As another Mandy might have said, he would say that wouldn’t he.
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| Mandy’s best pal on 12:03 - Sep 11 with 3766 views | YrAlarch |
The thing about Starmer is that he simply reacts to situations. When he does react he is a beat too late as illustrated by his tardiness in getting rid of Rayner and now Mandelson. The man does not seem to have a clear political and moral philosophy. | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:24 - Sep 11 with 3681 views | Flashberryjack |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:03 - Sep 10 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I think he's resigned twice from Government for impropriety in the past. You wonder how these people get selected again to represent the UK? |
Starmer was well aware of Mandelsons past history before he appointed him British Ambassador to the US, it must bring into question Starmer's ability to make rational decisions.
David Lammy, Reeves, Ed Milliband, Rayner, Lord Hermer to name but a few. |  |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 14:48 - Sep 11 with 3588 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:24 - Sep 11 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer was well aware of Mandelsons past history before he appointed him British Ambassador to the US, it must bring into question Starmer's ability to make rational decisions.
David Lammy, Reeves, Ed Milliband, Rayner, Lord Hermer to name but a few. |
A lot of the appointments are to placate the differing factions in the party and trying to keep the unions on-side.
There’s probably no coincidence in Angela Rayner having a very public barney with the unite union recently and all this stuff suddenly coming out about her.
The knives are sharpened. |  |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 17:28 - Sep 11 with 3479 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:24 - Sep 11 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer was well aware of Mandelsons past history before he appointed him British Ambassador to the US, it must bring into question Starmer's ability to make rational decisions.
David Lammy, Reeves, Ed Milliband, Rayner, Lord Hermer to name but a few. |
It is now reported that the security services issued warnings about Mandelson before his appointment. |  |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 19:42 - Sep 11 with 3431 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mandy’s best pal on 17:28 - Sep 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It is now reported that the security services issued warnings about Mandelson before his appointment. |
Which just shows that Starmer isn't fit to lead the country, his judgement is shocking..
In what world was Mandy suitable for another government post? The world of the insane? | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 20:52 - Sep 11 with 3398 views | Dr_Winston |
| Mandy’s best pal on 19:42 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Which just shows that Starmer isn't fit to lead the country, his judgement is shocking..
In what world was Mandy suitable for another government post? The world of the insane? |
This is the crux of it for me. Even Starmer isn't dull enough to think that Mandelson isn't dodgy down to the bones, so why on Earth appoint him to one of the highest profile Ambassadorial posts available ahead of dozens of more qualified candidates?
Every decision he makes is stupid. Every lie obvious. It's almost like he's doing the job terribly to win a bet, like a politics based version of Brewster's Millions. |  |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 22:22 - Sep 11 with 3340 views | onehunglow |
Maybe he could go to the country , as Cameron and Heath did to support his mandate ! | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 23:23 - Sep 11 with 3296 views | majorraglan |
| Mandy’s best pal on 20:52 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
This is the crux of it for me. Even Starmer isn't dull enough to think that Mandelson isn't dodgy down to the bones, so why on Earth appoint him to one of the highest profile Ambassadorial posts available ahead of dozens of more qualified candidates?
Every decision he makes is stupid. Every lie obvious. It's almost like he's doing the job terribly to win a bet, like a politics based version of Brewster's Millions. |
I suspect that Starmer took the risk of appointing Mandelson on account of the previous reports which claimed Mandelson had a good relationship with Trump and I suspect Starmer hoped this could benefit the country obtain a favourable trade deal and benefit us in other ways, but it’s all gone Pete Tong for Starmer on account of the US electorates continued interest in Epstein.
In the run up to the US election the Republicans repeatedly made reference to Epstein and in February Pam Bondi claimed to have a list of clients, but it’s never been published and now there’ve been denials it ever existed! The US electorate are being fed conflicting information and they smell a rat. The Whitehouse have been on the back foot and are looking to shut the story down and 1 strategy has been to release further information which has brought Mandelson in to the picture and it’s blown up in Starmers face. Had the US electorate interest been quelled some time ago this story wouldn’t have come out, but it has come out and Mandelson had to go.
It’ll be interesting to see what else comes out because I don’t think Mandelson is going to be the last name we’re going to hear about.
I don’t think Mandelson should have been appointed in the first place, but I can see why he was. | | | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 01:16 - Sep 12 with 3240 views | Robbie |
Debate earlier repoting Starmer is relying on Nu Labour stalwarts to give him advice .
They were a past history of UK politics , move on and get some fresh new ideas into how we as a Nation can overcome the mire we are in with corrupt Politicians in charge . Probably the cupboard is bare for real talent .
Now looks like Farage is in the firing line for a dodgy house purchase in Clacton .
Wonder if the Press will will go after him with the same gusto and enthusiam they have shown in recent weeks to shame a Politician . | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 07:33 - Sep 12 with 3122 views | Dr_Winston |
| Mandy’s best pal on 01:16 - Sep 12 by Robbie |
Debate earlier repoting Starmer is relying on Nu Labour stalwarts to give him advice .
They were a past history of UK politics , move on and get some fresh new ideas into how we as a Nation can overcome the mire we are in with corrupt Politicians in charge . Probably the cupboard is bare for real talent .
Now looks like Farage is in the firing line for a dodgy house purchase in Clacton .
Wonder if the Press will will go after him with the same gusto and enthusiam they have shown in recent weeks to shame a Politician . |
Starmer wanting advice from some of the people most responsible for our current situation.
Like I said. Every decision he makes is stupid. | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 13:27 - Sep 12 with 2910 views | Flashberryjack |
| Mandy’s best pal on 01:16 - Sep 12 by Robbie |
Debate earlier repoting Starmer is relying on Nu Labour stalwarts to give him advice .
They were a past history of UK politics , move on and get some fresh new ideas into how we as a Nation can overcome the mire we are in with corrupt Politicians in charge . Probably the cupboard is bare for real talent .
Now looks like Farage is in the firing line for a dodgy house purchase in Clacton .
Wonder if the Press will will go after him with the same gusto and enthusiam they have shown in recent weeks to shame a Politician . |
"Wonder if the Press will will go after him with the same gusto and enthusiam they have shown in recent weeks to shame a Politician"
They most certainly will go after him, with added gusto, Farrage is not liked by the establishnent. | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 01:07 - Sep 13 with 2687 views | Robbie |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:27 - Sep 12 by Flashberryjack |
"Wonder if the Press will will go after him with the same gusto and enthusiam they have shown in recent weeks to shame a Politician"
They most certainly will go after him, with added gusto, Farrage is not liked by the establishnent. |
The press will have a field day in the upcoming issues of thier headline news focus now .
Starmer the brush it under the Axmister carpet Leader or Farage riding high in the polls on his promised pledges to put the UK to rights on his claims
Am starting to like Kemi Badenoch though , at least she is trying to rebuilt a decent Opposition and ask Starmer the difficult questions which he always avoids answering .
But turn around the mess Bojo and Liz Truss made of their tenure is a big ask . | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 08:40 - Sep 13 with 2542 views | Whiterockin |
| Mandy’s best pal on 01:07 - Sep 13 by Robbie |
The press will have a field day in the upcoming issues of thier headline news focus now .
Starmer the brush it under the Axmister carpet Leader or Farage riding high in the polls on his promised pledges to put the UK to rights on his claims
Am starting to like Kemi Badenoch though , at least she is trying to rebuilt a decent Opposition and ask Starmer the difficult questions which he always avoids answering .
But turn around the mess Bojo and Liz Truss made of their tenure is a big ask . |
But do you see Kemi Badenoch as a prime minister. This is the question we must now ask in politics after the Starmer fiasco. |  | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 21:48 - Sep 13 with 2203 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mandy’s best pal on 08:40 - Sep 13 by Whiterockin |
But do you see Kemi Badenoch as a prime minister. This is the question we must now ask in politics after the Starmer fiasco. |
To be honest I don't see any of them as PM including Starmer. Farage, Badenoch, Starmer, all unfit. | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 22:29 - Sep 13 with 2171 views | Dr_Winston |
| Mandy’s best pal on 08:40 - Sep 13 by Whiterockin |
But do you see Kemi Badenoch as a prime minister. This is the question we must now ask in politics after the Starmer fiasco. |
As I've said previously, I was impressed by her as a Minister. She seemed willing enough to take on the nonsense sent her way by Labour. As Leader she's been too unwilling to go on the attack. To really shred the nonsense that Starmer is sending her way. As leader she has disappointed.
She was much, much better on the Mandelson stuff at the recent PMQ's though so maybe there's hope, but overall she needs to up her game. This Goverment is dead in the water so there's nothing to be gained by holding back. | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 01:08 - Sep 14 with 2129 views | Robbie |
Ask any of our now younger generation , are you going to vote in the Local Council elections and a blank stare is the answer . Likewise a vote in the General Election .
Nah , their all corrupt innit so will not bother to walk to the polling Station , waste of time .
After the events in London on Saturday , well planned by the Right Wing element of society they gained mass media attention and headline news on The BBC , a win it seems .
Farage was also no where to be seen as a backdrop to the protests from what I have viewed so far , but I bet he was relishing all the chaos .
Nice to see The Welsh Dragon flag flying proudly in the protests too , good effort there . | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 01:44 - Sep 14 with 2117 views | Robbie |
| Mandy’s best pal on 22:29 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
As I've said previously, I was impressed by her as a Minister. She seemed willing enough to take on the nonsense sent her way by Labour. As Leader she's been too unwilling to go on the attack. To really shred the nonsense that Starmer is sending her way. As leader she has disappointed.
She was much, much better on the Mandelson stuff at the recent PMQ's though so maybe there's hope, but overall she needs to up her game. This Goverment is dead in the water so there's nothing to be gained by holding back. |
She is held back by the small boats fiasco to go for the end game .
Blair threw Border contol out of the window , lets get everyone into the UK.
My Human Rights lawyer wife will see them ok , when eligable a vote for us .
Priti Patel and Sunak turned a blind eye and made big promises to get illegal immigrants back to where they came from , however , it seems both of them and others have done a runner and are hiding in the long grass .
Starmer will always have the upper hand , you had 14 years to sort the mess out which you pledged to do whilst in Government yourselves , you failed also , do not point fingers now .
Sure Mandelson , his PR team and book publishers are rubbing their hands already . | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:34 - Sep 14 with 1798 views | majorraglan |
| Mandy’s best pal on 01:44 - Sep 14 by Robbie |
She is held back by the small boats fiasco to go for the end game .
Blair threw Border contol out of the window , lets get everyone into the UK.
My Human Rights lawyer wife will see them ok , when eligable a vote for us .
Priti Patel and Sunak turned a blind eye and made big promises to get illegal immigrants back to where they came from , however , it seems both of them and others have done a runner and are hiding in the long grass .
Starmer will always have the upper hand , you had 14 years to sort the mess out which you pledged to do whilst in Government yourselves , you failed also , do not point fingers now .
Sure Mandelson , his PR team and book publishers are rubbing their hands already . |
The comment about Blair “throwing border control” isn’t quite accurate. He could have gone better, but some of the causes pre date his time as PM.
Freedom of movement for workers had been of the cornerstones of the EEC since 1957. When John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 that expanded FOM to everyone. When Tony Blair came to power FOM was already in place and there was nowt he could do about it.
When the EU expanded in the 2000’s to incorporate some of the former Eastern Block countries Blair could have introduced temporary restrictions on migrants coming in to the UK from the new countries for 2 years and, under certain circumstances the restrictions could have been extended for under certain criteria BUT there was no option to extend the restrictions permanently.
I believe Blair was 100% wrong not to introduce restrictions when the EU expanded.
Migration under the previous Conservative regimes has been much higher than it ever was under Labour, I’ve previously posted the stats on her (and I can’t be bothered to try and find them) but they were on average around 50% higher per year than they were under Labour.
The last few years of the Conservative government saw net migration of around 2mn - that’s the net figure the actual number coming in was much higher than that.
What we have seen since Brexit is a marked change in the type of immigration, previously it was primarily white Christian Europeans, now we’re seeing more Asians and Africans who may have different religions.
I am no Blair fan and if I had my way he’d have been investigated criminally for his tole in the Iraq dossiers saga. Blair got things wrong, but he isn’t the only one responsible for where we are now. The likes of Boris, Sunak and May are also responsible. | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:45 - Sep 14 with 1784 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:34 - Sep 14 by majorraglan |
The comment about Blair “throwing border control” isn’t quite accurate. He could have gone better, but some of the causes pre date his time as PM.
Freedom of movement for workers had been of the cornerstones of the EEC since 1957. When John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 that expanded FOM to everyone. When Tony Blair came to power FOM was already in place and there was nowt he could do about it.
When the EU expanded in the 2000’s to incorporate some of the former Eastern Block countries Blair could have introduced temporary restrictions on migrants coming in to the UK from the new countries for 2 years and, under certain circumstances the restrictions could have been extended for under certain criteria BUT there was no option to extend the restrictions permanently.
I believe Blair was 100% wrong not to introduce restrictions when the EU expanded.
Migration under the previous Conservative regimes has been much higher than it ever was under Labour, I’ve previously posted the stats on her (and I can’t be bothered to try and find them) but they were on average around 50% higher per year than they were under Labour.
The last few years of the Conservative government saw net migration of around 2mn - that’s the net figure the actual number coming in was much higher than that.
What we have seen since Brexit is a marked change in the type of immigration, previously it was primarily white Christian Europeans, now we’re seeing more Asians and Africans who may have different religions.
I am no Blair fan and if I had my way he’d have been investigated criminally for his tole in the Iraq dossiers saga. Blair got things wrong, but he isn’t the only one responsible for where we are now. The likes of Boris, Sunak and May are also responsible. |
Not 100% true major, Blair could have put restrictions onto the FOm because the Eu allowed them. Instead Blair threw the doors wide open claiming not that many would come.
What has happened in reality is that all politicians from all sides have screwed us over for decades and it goes back beyond Thatcher too. | | | |
| Mandy’s best pal on 14:56 - Sep 14 with 1733 views | majorraglan |
| Mandy’s best pal on 13:45 - Sep 14 by SullutaCreturned |
Not 100% true major, Blair could have put restrictions onto the FOm because the Eu allowed them. Instead Blair threw the doors wide open claiming not that many would come.
What has happened in reality is that all politicians from all sides have screwed us over for decades and it goes back beyond Thatcher too. |
I know and I made reference to the restrictions in the 3rd paragraph. The restrictions on A8 nationals could only ever be temporary.
Blair did impose restrictions on the A2 nationals (Bulgarians and Romanians) who joined the EU in 2007 but again, these could only be imposed for a fixed period. [Post edited 14 Sep 15:08]
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| Mandy’s best pal on 19:43 - Sep 14 with 1617 views | max936 |
| Mandy’s best pal on 11:43 - Sep 11 by YrAlarch |
Mandy has gone. What a shambles of a Government we've got. I am beginning to feel ashamed I voted for them. I expected far more from Starmer than we are getting, particularly after the preceding lot. |
And people are quick to tell me that I've no say because I never voted, I don't vote because I don't trust anyone of them and they don't represent me, with need proper people in these parties to step up and take the lead, not these pampered clueless millionaires who live up in their ivory towers with no idea as to what goes on in the real world who think they can be politicians. |  |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 20:40 - Sep 14 with 1569 views | onehunglow |
| Mandy’s best pal on 19:43 - Sep 14 by max936 |
And people are quick to tell me that I've no say because I never voted, I don't vote because I don't trust anyone of them and they don't represent me, with need proper people in these parties to step up and take the lead, not these pampered clueless millionaires who live up in their ivory towers with no idea as to what goes on in the real world who think they can be politicians. |
Your right Ste
Neither did I
A rotten filthy Tory set up or a party of steaming hypocrites with posh Nige in the wings
Many will refuse to vote
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| Mandy’s best pal on 10:37 - Sep 15 with 1287 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This one will run and run. MPs have sent Starmer a letter demanding he reveals the process behind appointing the Prince of Darkness as ambassador to the USA. Couldn’t come at a worse time with Donald J Trump set to fly in for a state visit. | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 15:44 - Sep 15 with 1121 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Mandy’s best pal on 10:37 - Sep 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This one will run and run. MPs have sent Starmer a letter demanding he reveals the process behind appointing the Prince of Darkness as ambassador to the USA. Couldn’t come at a worse time with Donald J Trump set to fly in for a state visit. |
Starmer trying to deflect attention when the Don is here by conducting a press conference today, I don't think that will discourage questions when Trump is here. | |
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| Mandy’s best pal on 15:51 - Sep 15 with 1118 views | Dr_Winston |
Strong scuttlebutt doing the rounds on social media that things are about to get a whole lot worse for Starmer. Nothing specific yet, but hints that stuff that has been bubbling in the background for a while (Lord Ali, Ukrainian arsonists) might break loose. | |
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