| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme 16:21 - Sep 25 with 1709 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
One of Blair’s and New Labours’ flagship schemes which didn’t get through as it was deeply unpopular at the time. Now they are re marketing it as a way to clamp down on illegal immigrants being able to work as employers will need to check their right to work through this central database.
Of course they are ignoring the basic facts:
A) Employers already have to check right to works on employment anyway and have had to do so for a number of years already.
B) illegal immigrants generally disappear into the black market and gig economy which this will not affect in the slightest.
Is this a good idea? Is it further evidence to the suggestion that Blair is still pulling the strings?
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:41 - Sep 25 with 1484 views | Dr_Winston |
Blair's belief system is still pulling the strings at least. |  |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:46 - Sep 25 with 1467 views | Demitrius |
I’ve already got one of these thanks Keir - It’s called a UK Passport…
Unless you’re planning something more sinister of course..? 🤔 [Post edited 25 Sep 16:47]
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:49 - Sep 25 with 1435 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:46 - Sep 25 by Demitrius |
I’ve already got one of these thanks Keir - It’s called a UK Passport…
Unless you’re planning something more sinister of course..? 🤔 [Post edited 25 Sep 16:47]
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Well the only way to make this work is to do away with cash and have all money in digital form only. |  | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:53 - Sep 25 with 1418 views | Whiterockin |
Just make it compulsory for everyone coming in to have a DNA test to be kept on record. One misdemeanor and you are out and there is no falsifying relative claims apart from spouse. |  | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 18:33 - Sep 25 with 1265 views | max936 |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 16:46 - Sep 25 by Demitrius |
I’ve already got one of these thanks Keir - It’s called a UK Passport…
Unless you’re planning something more sinister of course..? 🤔 [Post edited 25 Sep 16:47]
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They know everything about us as it is, free country my arse, HMRC got access to our bank accounts now by all accounts its wrong totally fing wrong, sewer rats the lot of them. |  |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 18:40 - Sep 25 with 1254 views | onehunglow |
So young bucks driving beemers don’t have to worry about getting asked for IF by Plod
Laughable shyte | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 18:59 - Sep 25 with 1232 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
First the online safety law (easily circumvented by a simple VPN) despite being marketed to protect kids from dangerous/naughty content has been an unmitigated disaster and is ultimately used to censor material the government doesn’t agree with. Now this. It wanted my ID to watch a history documentary on YouTube the other night.
The sooner this lot are booted out of office on their big fat lardy arses the better. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:00 - Sep 25 with 1231 views | jack_lord |
come on then guys, positives and negatives.
Anyone in favour? |  |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:05 - Sep 25 with 1217 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:00 - Sep 25 by jack_lord |
come on then guys, positives and negatives.
Anyone in favour? |
In principle yes. In reality no. I do not trust it being implemented without nefarious motives.
I also certainly don’t think it should be compulsory. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:06 - Sep 25 with 1217 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 18:59 - Sep 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
First the online safety law (easily circumvented by a simple VPN) despite being marketed to protect kids from dangerous/naughty content has been an unmitigated disaster and is ultimately used to censor material the government doesn’t agree with. Now this. It wanted my ID to watch a history documentary on YouTube the other night.
The sooner this lot are booted out of office on their big fat lardy arses the better. |
Starmer seems to think legislation is the answer. |  |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:11 - Sep 25 with 1210 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 18:33 - Sep 25 by max936 |
They know everything about us as it is, free country my arse, HMRC got access to our bank accounts now by all accounts its wrong totally fing wrong, sewer rats the lot of them. |
You can see Starmer adopting the Chinese approach with ID cards, all sorts of data will be held on them and certain freedoms will be dependent on your behaviour. [Post edited 25 Sep 19:46]
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:57 - Sep 25 with 1151 views | max936 |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:11 - Sep 25 by JACKMANANDBOY |
You can see Starmer adopting the Chinese approach with ID cards, all sorts of data will be held on them and certain freedoms will be dependent on your behaviour. [Post edited 25 Sep 19:46]
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Yet his cronies belief they're above the law, like Bonker and his cronies thought. sewer rats the lot of them. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:59 - Sep 25 with 1148 views | Dr_Winston |
I did at one point make reference in a thread I can't find to Labour using the next three years to push through all the mad shit that they can whilst they can because they know full well that they're going to lose the next election. This is a perfect example of that.
This is more Government control being pushed through under the guise of dealing with the problems that people are complaining about yet will do nothing to solve in reality. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:05 - Sep 25 with 1127 views | builthjack |
Other countries have them. Are they all wrong ? |  |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:11 - Sep 25 with 1114 views | AnotherJohn |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:06 - Sep 25 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Starmer seems to think legislation is the answer. |
I've said several times on the forum that juridification - the expansion of law into other domains like politics - is one of the big problems of our age. If politicians can translate policies into law, and especially international law, they can ensure that their favoured approach is very difficult for later governments to undo, | | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:11 - Sep 25 with 1112 views | swan65split |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:59 - Sep 25 by Dr_Winston |
I did at one point make reference in a thread I can't find to Labour using the next three years to push through all the mad shit that they can whilst they can because they know full well that they're going to lose the next election. This is a perfect example of that.
This is more Government control being pushed through under the guise of dealing with the problems that people are complaining about yet will do nothing to solve in reality. |
This all the way just wait till we get closer to net zero, we are being played big time. |  | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:35 - Sep 25 with 1061 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:11 - Sep 25 by AnotherJohn |
I've said several times on the forum that juridification - the expansion of law into other domains like politics - is one of the big problems of our age. If politicians can translate policies into law, and especially international law, they can ensure that their favoured approach is very difficult for later governments to undo, |
This is what's coming.
https://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Ending-stagnation- | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:38 - Sep 25 with 1047 views | Boundy |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 19:00 - Sep 25 by jack_lord |
come on then guys, positives and negatives.
Anyone in favour? |
No , not at all and imo not needed and just in case anyone else agrees strongly enough .
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?fbclid=IwY2xjawNCeQZleHRuA2FlbQI | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:41 - Sep 25 with 1035 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:11 - Sep 25 by AnotherJohn |
I've said several times on the forum that juridification - the expansion of law into other domains like politics - is one of the big problems of our age. If politicians can translate policies into law, and especially international law, they can ensure that their favoured approach is very difficult for later governments to undo, |
Not specific to our age. King John was using the law for political gain in the 12th century. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 22:31 - Sep 25 with 926 views | onehunglow |
Well I believe we should have brought them on over forty years ago after the Riots and by a Ztoey government
Sadly they didn’t have the guts to
Labour wouldn’t do it out of principle
Labour now a different animal and StArmerundervoressure with lifelong voters turning their backs | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 22:31 - Sep 25 with 929 views | majorraglan |
I’ve got mixed feelings and while I can see both sides of the coin I’m more inclined to be against it.
This has been kicking around for years on and off, but to my mind Boris’s decision to mandate picture ID for voting has brought things back in to focus and is the start of the slippery slope. Local councils are now required to issue people who don’t have picture ID with a form of pictorial ID so they can vote, so this is one step further. According to a google search, about 85% of British people have passports, so we are nearly there already between voter ID, driving licence and passports.
Whether it’ll make a huge difference I’m not so sure. Most employers already want to see ID before they’ll give someone a job. The police have a huge bank of DNA profiles, fingerprints, mug shots etc and PNC has descriptions of tattoos etc and other potentially identifying features, and if the police really want to confirm someone’s ID they can nick them (assuming they’ve committed an offence) and hold them until they’ve confirmed their ID. The police, border force all have access to mobile fingerprint checking devices so they can also be used.
Anyone who comes in to the U.K. and claims asylum or is a refugee is finger printed. ID cards could assist reduce benefit fraud - no ID equals no claim, but equally that could be tackled by requiring people who claim benefits to give a finger or thumb print as a condition of claiming benefits. This would eliminate multiple bogus claims in false names.
If we have a national id card, does that mean the police will be allowed “routine” access to it?
I think we have systems in place that could be adapted to resolve some of the issues without having a full blown ID card and the expense of introducing it. Introducing stiffer penalties for employing illegal workers and closing down loopholes should be the starting point if the purpose of the ID cards is illegal migration. | | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 22:48 - Sep 25 with 899 views | Luther27 |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 20:05 - Sep 25 by builthjack |
Other countries have them. Are they all wrong ? |
As JMB said if it arrives here it'll eventually be used as a Chinese type system….for our benefits of course.
However take some time and research how the Chinese Govt utilise this system to the full and how they control their citizens to the point that if you do something that is out of line with official belief then your doors to public services start to close.
My opinion….no…I am dead against it. We already have a national ID in the form of a NI number. | | | |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 23:13 - Sep 25 with 842 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 22:48 - Sep 25 by Luther27 |
As JMB said if it arrives here it'll eventually be used as a Chinese type system….for our benefits of course.
However take some time and research how the Chinese Govt utilise this system to the full and how they control their citizens to the point that if you do something that is out of line with official belief then your doors to public services start to close.
My opinion….no…I am dead against it. We already have a national ID in the form of a NI number. |
As this is a football board, you can see quite quickly how it will be used to check people into football grounds. Anybody with any kind of offence related to disorder will not be granted entrance.
Don't belief me, the police are now knocking people's doors for saying things that are not actually a crime and registering them, in the event of a DBS check these non crimes show on a person's record. That's what we are up against. | |
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| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 23:27 - Sep 25 with 808 views | majorraglan |
| Digital ID cards Starmer’s latest harebrained scheme on 23:13 - Sep 25 by JACKMANANDBOY |
As this is a football board, you can see quite quickly how it will be used to check people into football grounds. Anybody with any kind of offence related to disorder will not be granted entrance.
Don't belief me, the police are now knocking people's doors for saying things that are not actually a crime and registering them, in the event of a DBS check these non crimes show on a person's record. That's what we are up against. |
They don’t need ID cards to do that because it’s far too slow and ponderous. For some time South Wales Police have been at the forefront facial recognition development in the U.K. They have their own cameras and they can also route 3rd party cctv systems through their facial recognition systems to identify offenders and suspects. They can ID and detain suspects before they get anywhere near a turnstile. | | | |
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