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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 20:40 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow
Evidently, Stephan shouldn't have bothered watching any of those games, as the received wisdom from the amateurs here is that you learn a big fat zero from them. Perhaps one of the committee could send him a memo?
Like I say, last night is pretty good evidence for the prosecution on how little you do learn from them.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:07 - Oct 2 with 1033 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 20:50 - Oct 2 by Northernr
Like I say, last night is pretty good evidence for the prosecution on how little you do learn from them.
Circumstantial/convenient 'evidence' at best, I'd suggest. He's a professional coach, unlike any of us, but perhaps you should let him know he was wasting his time and let us know his reaction?
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:07 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow
Circumstantial/convenient 'evidence' at best, I'd suggest. He's a professional coach, unlike any of us, but perhaps you should let him know he was wasting his time and let us know his reaction?
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Perhaps you should go on that other thread and acknowledge what bolox you were talking when you reckoned I'd said Wrexham were going to wipe the floor with everybody.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:12 - Oct 2 with 1008 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:05 - Oct 2 by Northernr
One of the points that’s been missed is something we talked about a few weeks back… Cifuentes had 2 years with this team and league, he’ll have known a lot more about what works and doesn’t work at the end than he did at the start. That knowledge left with him, we start afresh with Stephan so there will be things like Hayden and Field together which we know from experience is going to be poor but he has to find out himself. If he repeats the mistakes of last night over and over, then you’ve got a problem. So far he’s seemed quite pragmatic, proactive and quick to learn to me.
You are right.
But you shouldn't be.
Cifuentes and Xavi Calm have left and taken their learning with them. But the DoF and most of the coaches they worked with are still here.
Not to mention the players themselves.
It's not just on the Head Coach to learn from our past mistakes.
Do these people talk to each other?
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:24 - Oct 2 with 972 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:09 - Oct 2 by Northernr
Perhaps you should go on that other thread and acknowledge what bolox you were talking when you reckoned I'd said Wrexham were going to wipe the floor with everybody.
Don’t be ridiculous.
We have spoken about this passive aggressive behavior before - on another thread.
Stay in touch….
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:25 - Oct 2 with 966 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:09 - Oct 2 by Northernr
Perhaps you should go on that other thread and acknowledge what bolox you were talking when you reckoned I'd said Wrexham were going to wipe the floor with everybody.
Not sure what that has to do with this thread, but I don't think that's quite what I said. I was actually responding to another uber-patronising poster who tried to tell me that you and one or two self-appointed others had carefully tried to mansplain to me why QPR performances, and implicitly those of other clubs, ineluctably correlate with their resources, and I am some kind of moron for dreaming as hard as I do where QPR are concerned. All of which I have pointed out again and again, with counter-evidence, is a flawed thesis, now and historically, both in this league and the Prem - just look at where Man U are right now! QPR has 'punched above its weight' in the past, and can do so again, because footballing outcomes are a function of multiple factors. (Just looked briefly back at your pre-season preview, and I see you have Birmingham at 4th, while emphasising their budget, so I'm hardly barking up the wrong tree.)
The point is, perhaps contrary to appearances, I just find it all hilariously trivial. Football's irrational, unpredictable entertainment, not index-linked to capitalism. And we fans are the most ridiculous breed of all.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:25 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow
Not sure what that has to do with this thread, but I don't think that's quite what I said. I was actually responding to another uber-patronising poster who tried to tell me that you and one or two self-appointed others had carefully tried to mansplain to me why QPR performances, and implicitly those of other clubs, ineluctably correlate with their resources, and I am some kind of moron for dreaming as hard as I do where QPR are concerned. All of which I have pointed out again and again, with counter-evidence, is a flawed thesis, now and historically, both in this league and the Prem - just look at where Man U are right now! QPR has 'punched above its weight' in the past, and can do so again, because footballing outcomes are a function of multiple factors. (Just looked briefly back at your pre-season preview, and I see you have Birmingham at 4th, while emphasising their budget, so I'm hardly barking up the wrong tree.)
The point is, perhaps contrary to appearances, I just find it all hilariously trivial. Football's irrational, unpredictable entertainment, not index-linked to capitalism. And we fans are the most ridiculous breed of all.
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That's a really funny way of saying "yeh, I got that wrong, sorry about that".
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:25 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow
Not sure what that has to do with this thread, but I don't think that's quite what I said. I was actually responding to another uber-patronising poster who tried to tell me that you and one or two self-appointed others had carefully tried to mansplain to me why QPR performances, and implicitly those of other clubs, ineluctably correlate with their resources, and I am some kind of moron for dreaming as hard as I do where QPR are concerned. All of which I have pointed out again and again, with counter-evidence, is a flawed thesis, now and historically, both in this league and the Prem - just look at where Man U are right now! QPR has 'punched above its weight' in the past, and can do so again, because footballing outcomes are a function of multiple factors. (Just looked briefly back at your pre-season preview, and I see you have Birmingham at 4th, while emphasising their budget, so I'm hardly barking up the wrong tree.)
The point is, perhaps contrary to appearances, I just find it all hilariously trivial. Football's irrational, unpredictable entertainment, not index-linked to capitalism. And we fans are the most ridiculous breed of all.
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Just stop digging….
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:46 - Oct 2 with 867 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:33 - Oct 2 by Northernr
Agree. Said at the end of the window this was a squad with big issues at full back and midfield, and it still is.
Maybe not left back too much now though - RND with Esquerdinha, a youth player, as a short term back up does it for me! Thode injuries to Larkeche and Walsh are a bit of a touch really!
Right Back - yep, absolutely - Dunne has no recognised back up anywhere in this squad. Mbengue, the Aussie lad, Bennie, Morgan - no ta!
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 23:05 - Oct 2 by davman
Maybe not left back too much now though - RND with Esquerdinha, a youth player, as a short term back up does it for me! Thode injuries to Larkeche and Walsh are a bit of a touch really!
Right Back - yep, absolutely - Dunne has no recognised back up anywhere in this squad. Mbengue, the Aussie lad, Bennie, Morgan - no ta!
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But, given RND injury history, are we expecting him to play Saturday? Are we expecting him to do 40+ games? Are we running him on take off power?
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 23:23 - Oct 2 with 696 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 23:23 - Oct 2 by davman
Maybe, but Esquerdinha could do a few games. Not ideal I'll give you, but I am happier with LB than I am with RB, CM or GK at the moment...
Well, let's see. You run RND 90 min after 90 min for the next few weeks, he breaks down, then you're back to an 18 year old who can't defend as your only option again. Very Lee Wallace vibes.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:55 - Oct 3 with 550 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 21:29 - Oct 2 by Northernr
That's a really funny way of saying "yeh, I got that wrong, sorry about that".
But I'm clearly not saying that, or anything like it - I'm pointing out a flawed thesis, as I've already told you. It's all very puzzling either way, writer to-writer (or just English-user to English-user), ao perhaps the intention is to make me feel like I'm crazy.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:55 - Oct 3 by stainrods_elbow
But I'm clearly not saying that, or anything like it - I'm pointing out a flawed thesis, as I've already told you. It's all very puzzling either way, writer to-writer (or just English-user to English-user), ao perhaps the intention is to make me feel like I'm crazy.
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You said, quote: " By many pre-season accounts (to which Clive may have contributed - I can't remember, as it's really just entertaining speculation not some kind of privileged prognostication), Birmingham and Wrexham were set to wipe the floor, because of their spending"
My actual prediction for Wrexham was 13th.
I'm actually disappointed. I mean the whacky views, the deliberately provocative statements, the sponsored Pat Nevin-a-thon, that weird tangent you go off every time Joey Barton gets mentioned, your insistence on constantly calling all the other posters thick, I've written off as just part of your schtick. But I did genuinely believe you when you told us all, repeatedly, that you're a world class wordsmith, editor and proof reader. Now here you are chucking out broad brushstroke nonsense, disprovable with a simple 30 second fact check. That copy wouldn't even make the subs desk at my gaff, I'd bang it back to the reporter telling them to get their facts straight.
I think you should probably cough to it and apologise to be honest. Lazy.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:17 - Oct 3 with 334 views
I’m going to give the manager the benefit of the doubt. I really liked Marti, and was a bit of a fanboy, but hindsight (I know) suggests that he had 2 modes - 1 the mode he really aspired to, lots of quick, technical players playing very progressive football, the other the very stodgy hard working midfield 3 (any of Varanne, Field, Colback and Morgan) - gave us results and the odd performance but could be a hard watch. I think Stephane is trying to find a better balance (with in fairness an improved squad) -Progressive if he can, I think his use of Madsen is a good case in point, but has also been pragmatic with moving away from the pissballing at the back. Can I also add that his desire to rotate the squad seems entirely in keeping with a desire to a) test out a few theories b) keep the whole squad motivated and c) not overload players.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:22 - Oct 3 with 320 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 16:08 - Oct 2 by daveB
and yet every season when we have these 3 games week the team tned to lose the 3rd game so he went a different way last night and wasn't miles away from working. That team he picked should have been good enough to play better than they did
the biggest issue was the kone frey front line , we have gone from pace to painfully slow , both of them going for the same balls at one stage as well , apart from that and dembele showing zero intrest again it was a decent first team .
im still amazed we have givenb frey a new deal to be honest
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:22 - Oct 3 by wombat
the biggest issue was the kone frey front line , we have gone from pace to painfully slow , both of them going for the same balls at one stage as well , apart from that and dembele showing zero intrest again it was a decent first team .
im still amazed we have givenb frey a new deal to be honest
I think decent individual players, terrible team.
I look across the starting 11 and there seemed to be no connections, no decent pairings. You've covered strikers and agree, but then you have Field and Hayden, individually excellent but together two defensive minded, pass backwards or sideways midfielders. Full backs, pretty decent, but naturally more defensive and not comfortable passing forward and receiving the ball under pressure, so made the centre midfield and strikers look even more out their depth. And two centre backs, one whose not able to pass it quickly into the strikers feet.
Swap Hayden for Madsen, Kone for Smyth (Dembele or Kolli off the striker), and I think you'd have seen a much better performance and still been able to rest a fair few of the team.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 10:15 - Oct 3 with 220 views
I didn't like us making five changes on Wednesday & I definitely wouldn't play two of Hayden, Field & Varane together.
What I do find strange though is the concenus that we would have won if we'd selected our "best team". I'm assuming this is the team that started last Saturday, but IMO they played worse than the dross we watched against Oxford! We have no automatic right to win any match & Oxford could easily have arrived with the same expectations as us.
The chances that we would not rotate during this week were always extremely low. A reminder that Nourry stated at the fans forum that we didn't rotate enough last season & that would be corrected this season.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 10:29 - Oct 3 with 198 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 10:06 - Oct 3 by PhilmyRs
I think decent individual players, terrible team.
I look across the starting 11 and there seemed to be no connections, no decent pairings. You've covered strikers and agree, but then you have Field and Hayden, individually excellent but together two defensive minded, pass backwards or sideways midfielders. Full backs, pretty decent, but naturally more defensive and not comfortable passing forward and receiving the ball under pressure, so made the centre midfield and strikers look even more out their depth. And two centre backs, one whose not able to pass it quickly into the strikers feet.
Swap Hayden for Madsen, Kone for Smyth (Dembele or Kolli off the striker), and I think you'd have seen a much better performance and still been able to rest a fair few of the team.
"decent individual players, terrible team."
Agree completely. Great point!
The only other team that I can think of that played a similar formation to the one we used on Wednesday Night was the '98 Brazil World Cup '4222' Team.
A goalie who was not dominant in the air - Taffarel Two centre-backs playing deep - Aldair and Junior Two holding midfielders - Dunga and Sampaio. Two inverted wingers/attacking mids - Rivaldo and Giovanni. Two centre-forwards - Ronaldo and Bebeto.
And the only width coming from two flying full-backs Cafu and Roberto Carlos.
Some superb players - but as a team? Less than the sum of their parts, maybe.
And similar to us? Definitely, except clearly our full-backs are defenders first, attackers second. You can't say that about Cafu and Roberto Carlos!
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:05 - Oct 2 by Northernr
One of the points that’s been missed is something we talked about a few weeks back… Cifuentes had 2 years with this team and league, he’ll have known a lot more about what works and doesn’t work at the end than he did at the start. That knowledge left with him, we start afresh with Stephan so there will be things like Hayden and Field together which we know from experience is going to be poor but he has to find out himself. If he repeats the mistakes of last night over and over, then you’ve got a problem. So far he’s seemed quite pragmatic, proactive and quick to learn to me.
I also think he defended his team selection as a way of externally defending those players who came in for the game.
Didn't want to throw them under the bus a la Critchley, but you'd hope in the the dressing room he'd have been disappointed and told the players what is expected.
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