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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 08:04 - Oct 3 by Northernr
You said, quote: " By many pre-season accounts (to which Clive may have contributed - I can't remember, as it's really just entertaining speculation not some kind of privileged prognostication), Birmingham and Wrexham were set to wipe the floor, because of their spending"
My actual prediction for Wrexham was 13th.
I'm actually disappointed. I mean the whacky views, the deliberately provocative statements, the sponsored Pat Nevin-a-thon, that weird tangent you go off every time Joey Barton gets mentioned, your insistence on constantly calling all the other posters thick, I've written off as just part of your schtick. But I did genuinely believe you when you told us all, repeatedly, that you're a world class wordsmith, editor and proof reader. Now here you are chucking out broad brushstroke nonsense, disprovable with a simple 30 second fact check. That copy wouldn't even make the subs desk at my gaff, I'd bang it back to the reporter telling them to get their facts straight.
I think you should probably cough to it and apologise to be honest. Lazy.
To be honest, Clive, I'm afraid I have no clear idea of what you feel I need to apologise for. With respect, I think it's you who needs to get back to reading what I say/don't say accurately rather than caricaturing/distorting it (why get defensive about your perfectly valid Wrexham prediction when I actually spoke of a generally tedious consensus correlating resources and standings, which I've already shown to be flawed elsewhere?), leaving aside your need here to run down, well, just about everything I write as (to you) weird, abusive, obsessive, provocative (what's wrong with provocative anyway - or would studied blandness on a football message board be preferable?) etc. etc. etc. After that kind of character assassination, it's lucky I still have a character left!
I don't have a 'schtick', by the way - I'm afraid I'm not that clever or calculating or strategic or self-promoting. I say what I think at a given time, on a given day, with a fan's foolish fervour, and people can deal with it or not as they wish - it doesn't really bother me. I'm a passionate supporter, I love writing, so I stir the pot, test the waters, and will mostly react adversely only if I feel people misrepresent what I say, as in this case. That's it! At the end of the day, all of this is just magnificently futile anyway, like football itself. Finally, if you seriously want/need to portray me as some kind of grandiose self-publicist, when I have spoken only occasionally and in passing about my work (far less than you do, in fact), be my guest, but it's simply not true.
Much of this mainly just reinforces to me that, in human groups, it's generally not what's said but who's saying it that gets valued/devalued, according to projective dynamics and status regimes. Just as QPR fans often need scapegoats on the pitch, it's hardly surprising that the same dynamics are replicated on a board like this one. As in life, the best defended tend to have the safest passage, while the most open and vulnerable get shot at and shat on.
In the meantime, (as, for my part, I have no axe to grind), keep up the great work, which, as I said on your Oxford report, I often wish could be sent direct to the club! Any updates on whether/when they plan on speaking to LfW, by the way?
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:22 - Oct 3 by wombat
the biggest issue was the kone frey front line , we have gone from pace to painfully slow , both of them going for the same balls at one stage as well , apart from that and dembele showing zero intrest again it was a decent first team .
im still amazed we have givenb frey a new deal to be honest
Think that’s unfair on Frey. First start of the season, not his fault he was paired with Kone (who he outperformed on the day IMO) instead of Burrell. Clearly short of match fitness and also probably the first time he’s been played in a two up front at QPR instead of being sole striker and the focal point of the attack. I think he’ll contribute this season as a decent enough back up to Kone.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:14 - Oct 4 with 3800 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 16:08 - Oct 2 by daveB
and yet every season when we have these 3 games week the team tned to lose the 3rd game so he went a different way last night and wasn't miles away from working. That team he picked should have been good enough to play better than they did
Are you sure?
Frey, Field and Hayden have barely kicked a ball all season and some of pre-season. They looked (and played) as rusty as a nail on a 300 year old sunken Spanish galleon.
In a 3 game week, with one at home to a team in the relegation spots, that’s the one you go all out to pick up the three points. Lose today at Bristol, which in theory should be a much tougher gig than Oxford, then we have had a shit week. Even a draw would make it no better than mediocre.
I do not believe that Saito and Burrell weren’t sufficiently fit or fresh to play at least 60 minutes of the game against Oxford. Get your noses in front and then bring on Field and Hayden to shut the game down.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:14 - Oct 4 by Burnleyhoop
Are you sure?
Frey, Field and Hayden have barely kicked a ball all season and some of pre-season. They looked (and played) as rusty as a nail on a 300 year old sunken Spanish galleon.
In a 3 game week, with one at home to a team in the relegation spots, that’s the one you go all out to pick up the three points. Lose today at Bristol, which in theory should be a much tougher gig than Oxford, then we have had a shit week. Even a draw would make it no better than mediocre.
I do not believe that Saito and Burrell weren’t sufficiently fit or fresh to play at least 60 minutes of the game against Oxford. Get your noses in front and then bring on Field and Hayden to shut the game down.
Field had a full pre season and started the first 3 games, yet was still poor.
I think what the game highlighted is how poor some of the players we have in reserve still. We know the coach likes a direct style with pace. Players like Field and Frey are not suited to it. Add in Dembele who looks completely unsuited to Championship football then I'm not surprised we looked turgid.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 09:33 - Oct 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier
Field had a full pre season and started the first 3 games, yet was still poor.
I think what the game highlighted is how poor some of the players we have in reserve still. We know the coach likes a direct style with pace. Players like Field and Frey are not suited to it. Add in Dembele who looks completely unsuited to Championship football then I'm not surprised we looked turgid.
Still lots to sort out in the squad next summer.
Very true
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 14:02 - Oct 4 with 3467 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 07:26 - Oct 4 by stainrods_elbow
To be honest, Clive, I'm afraid I have no clear idea of what you feel I need to apologise for. With respect, I think it's you who needs to get back to reading what I say/don't say accurately rather than caricaturing/distorting it (why get defensive about your perfectly valid Wrexham prediction when I actually spoke of a generally tedious consensus correlating resources and standings, which I've already shown to be flawed elsewhere?), leaving aside your need here to run down, well, just about everything I write as (to you) weird, abusive, obsessive, provocative (what's wrong with provocative anyway - or would studied blandness on a football message board be preferable?) etc. etc. etc. After that kind of character assassination, it's lucky I still have a character left!
I don't have a 'schtick', by the way - I'm afraid I'm not that clever or calculating or strategic or self-promoting. I say what I think at a given time, on a given day, with a fan's foolish fervour, and people can deal with it or not as they wish - it doesn't really bother me. I'm a passionate supporter, I love writing, so I stir the pot, test the waters, and will mostly react adversely only if I feel people misrepresent what I say, as in this case. That's it! At the end of the day, all of this is just magnificently futile anyway, like football itself. Finally, if you seriously want/need to portray me as some kind of grandiose self-publicist, when I have spoken only occasionally and in passing about my work (far less than you do, in fact), be my guest, but it's simply not true.
Much of this mainly just reinforces to me that, in human groups, it's generally not what's said but who's saying it that gets valued/devalued, according to projective dynamics and status regimes. Just as QPR fans often need scapegoats on the pitch, it's hardly surprising that the same dynamics are replicated on a board like this one. As in life, the best defended tend to have the safest passage, while the most open and vulnerable get shot at and shat on.
In the meantime, (as, for my part, I have no axe to grind), keep up the great work, which, as I said on your Oxford report, I often wish could be sent direct to the club! Any updates on whether/when they plan on speaking to LfW, by the way?
[Post edited 4 Oct 7:35]
To quote back at you what you seem to LOVE having the opportunity to quite to others on an OBSESSIVE basis: "You've missed the point".
Virtually everything you post IS abusive, and literally everyone who takes issue with anything you say gets treated with complete contempt.
Please don't come back at me with anything that resembles "I stick to the points" because you know full well that you are a past master at making deeply snide personal remarks.
Whilst I personally have to admit that I enjoy having the excuse to deliver a metaphorical punch to your clueless face on a regular basis, there are many others who don't and who would prefer that you disappeared off permanently into whatever cloud of narcissistic ether you originally emanated from.
An acceptable alternative, however, might be that you actually apologise to everyone you've offended over the years on here and - with this enormous intellect that you allegedly possess - take the time to reflect on why posters like me feel the need to address you like this in a completely different tone of voice to everyone else they communicate with on here.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:46 - Oct 5 with 3271 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 14:02 - Oct 4 by E15Hoop
To quote back at you what you seem to LOVE having the opportunity to quite to others on an OBSESSIVE basis: "You've missed the point".
Virtually everything you post IS abusive, and literally everyone who takes issue with anything you say gets treated with complete contempt.
Please don't come back at me with anything that resembles "I stick to the points" because you know full well that you are a past master at making deeply snide personal remarks.
Whilst I personally have to admit that I enjoy having the excuse to deliver a metaphorical punch to your clueless face on a regular basis, there are many others who don't and who would prefer that you disappeared off permanently into whatever cloud of narcissistic ether you originally emanated from.
An acceptable alternative, however, might be that you actually apologise to everyone you've offended over the years on here and - with this enormous intellect that you allegedly possess - take the time to reflect on why posters like me feel the need to address you like this in a completely different tone of voice to everyone else they communicate with on here.
Good god - if you could bottle and sell your cloud of self-righteousness, you'd be a trillionaire! As for me, if I could count the number of times I've been insulted, misrepresented, caricatured etc. etc. on this silly, lovely, website, I'd be Count Fu*kulaire from Extras.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:46 - Oct 5 by stainrods_elbow
Good god - if you could bottle and sell your cloud of self-righteousness, you'd be a trillionaire! As for me, if I could count the number of times I've been insulted, misrepresented, caricatured etc. etc. on this silly, lovely, website, I'd be Count Fu*kulaire from Extras.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:50 - Oct 5 by NewYorkRanger
you against the world eh?
Not really - believe it or not, in life I'm quite conflict-averse. It's just that I stand up for myself when I need to against caricaturists, gaslighters, and scapegoaters, regardless of the interlocutor. Though I do like David Shrigley.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 14:02 - Oct 4 by E15Hoop
To quote back at you what you seem to LOVE having the opportunity to quite to others on an OBSESSIVE basis: "You've missed the point".
Virtually everything you post IS abusive, and literally everyone who takes issue with anything you say gets treated with complete contempt.
Please don't come back at me with anything that resembles "I stick to the points" because you know full well that you are a past master at making deeply snide personal remarks.
Whilst I personally have to admit that I enjoy having the excuse to deliver a metaphorical punch to your clueless face on a regular basis, there are many others who don't and who would prefer that you disappeared off permanently into whatever cloud of narcissistic ether you originally emanated from.
An acceptable alternative, however, might be that you actually apologise to everyone you've offended over the years on here and - with this enormous intellect that you allegedly possess - take the time to reflect on why posters like me feel the need to address you like this in a completely different tone of voice to everyone else they communicate with on here.
A man of self-confessed violence condemning me for the odd supposed bit of snideness, as well as one of those who feels the need to butter his own balls by speaking for unnamed others. You couldn't really make it up - again! It's fantastic material for me as a writer, though, with people like you in this little human zoo.
By the way, have you ever considered investing in a mirror?
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:56 - Oct 5 by stainrods_elbow
A man of self-confessed violence condemning me for the odd supposed bit of snideness, as well as one of those who feels the need to butter his own balls by speaking for unnamed others. You couldn't really make it up - again! It's fantastic material for me as a writer, though, with people like you in this little human zoo.
By the way, have you ever considered investing in a mirror?
I simply fight fire with fire, my fine friend. Major difference between you and me is that I concentrate my fire on selected deserving targets, mainly those like your good self who go out of their way to insult and demean others and then whinge like a two year old having a temper tantrum when anyone dares to come after them. You, however, just want to annihilate everyone who you've decided is "inferior" to yourself and you spend your life aspiring in vain to be counted in the same breath as certain "geniuses" such as Alex Ferguson or Marco Pierre White (not people that I would personally want to be counted alongside given their toxic behaviour patterns, but we've had that particular debate before elsewhere) I'm comfortable with who I am - I'm not necessarily sure you can say the same about yourself, can you, hence your desperate need to continually justify yourself and abdicate any sense of responsibility for the impact of your behaviour on this forum.
[Post edited 5 Oct 22:06]
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 00:41 - Oct 6 with 2550 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 20:36 - Oct 5 by E15Hoop
I simply fight fire with fire, my fine friend. Major difference between you and me is that I concentrate my fire on selected deserving targets, mainly those like your good self who go out of their way to insult and demean others and then whinge like a two year old having a temper tantrum when anyone dares to come after them. You, however, just want to annihilate everyone who you've decided is "inferior" to yourself and you spend your life aspiring in vain to be counted in the same breath as certain "geniuses" such as Alex Ferguson or Marco Pierre White (not people that I would personally want to be counted alongside given their toxic behaviour patterns, but we've had that particular debate before elsewhere) I'm comfortable with who I am - I'm not necessarily sure you can say the same about yourself, can you, hence your desperate need to continually justify yourself and abdicate any sense of responsibility for the impact of your behaviour on this forum.
[Post edited 5 Oct 22:06]
Thank you so much - you are evidently a noble, firefighting, magnanimous crusader - quite beyond reproach. I know this because you've told me so. I, meanwhile, am a vindictive worm, which you have spectacularly gleaned on the basis of some scattered posts on a football board.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 07:26 - Oct 4 by stainrods_elbow
To be honest, Clive, I'm afraid I have no clear idea of what you feel I need to apologise for. With respect, I think it's you who needs to get back to reading what I say/don't say accurately rather than caricaturing/distorting it (why get defensive about your perfectly valid Wrexham prediction when I actually spoke of a generally tedious consensus correlating resources and standings, which I've already shown to be flawed elsewhere?), leaving aside your need here to run down, well, just about everything I write as (to you) weird, abusive, obsessive, provocative (what's wrong with provocative anyway - or would studied blandness on a football message board be preferable?) etc. etc. etc. After that kind of character assassination, it's lucky I still have a character left!
I don't have a 'schtick', by the way - I'm afraid I'm not that clever or calculating or strategic or self-promoting. I say what I think at a given time, on a given day, with a fan's foolish fervour, and people can deal with it or not as they wish - it doesn't really bother me. I'm a passionate supporter, I love writing, so I stir the pot, test the waters, and will mostly react adversely only if I feel people misrepresent what I say, as in this case. That's it! At the end of the day, all of this is just magnificently futile anyway, like football itself. Finally, if you seriously want/need to portray me as some kind of grandiose self-publicist, when I have spoken only occasionally and in passing about my work (far less than you do, in fact), be my guest, but it's simply not true.
Much of this mainly just reinforces to me that, in human groups, it's generally not what's said but who's saying it that gets valued/devalued, according to projective dynamics and status regimes. Just as QPR fans often need scapegoats on the pitch, it's hardly surprising that the same dynamics are replicated on a board like this one. As in life, the best defended tend to have the safest passage, while the most open and vulnerable get shot at and shat on.
In the meantime, (as, for my part, I have no axe to grind), keep up the great work, which, as I said on your Oxford report, I often wish could be sent direct to the club! Any updates on whether/when they plan on speaking to LfW, by the way?
[Post edited 4 Oct 7:35]
I just can't take your view Stainrod of classing yourself as vulnerable whilst also abusing all and sundry on here as not vulnerable - how the h*ck do you know this.
Am in no doubt, you know of no one elses personal circumstances on here.
To be fair, you have been so horrid and abusive at all times to so many people on here, and to be honest its awful.
Now, you are having a pop at Clive, and i cannot think of any other forum that would have been so lenient towards yourself. Think you would have been banned from posting on nearly all other sites.
You deserve sadly at the very least, a long suspension from here. You are always unaware at times of the nasty impact on occasions of your words.
i personally cant cope with your dreadful abuse. You will reply suggesting it is you that are sinned against. etc.
No one else on here does what you do. We are supporters of the same football team. We are not at odds with each other.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:09 - Oct 6 by numptydumpty
I just can't take your view Stainrod of classing yourself as vulnerable whilst also abusing all and sundry on here as not vulnerable - how the h*ck do you know this.
Am in no doubt, you know of no one elses personal circumstances on here.
To be fair, you have been so horrid and abusive at all times to so many people on here, and to be honest its awful.
Now, you are having a pop at Clive, and i cannot think of any other forum that would have been so lenient towards yourself. Think you would have been banned from posting on nearly all other sites.
You deserve sadly at the very least, a long suspension from here. You are always unaware at times of the nasty impact on occasions of your words.
i personally cant cope with your dreadful abuse. You will reply suggesting it is you that are sinned against. etc.
No one else on here does what you do. We are supporters of the same football team. We are not at odds with each other.
Please leave.
'Lenient' - are you for real? LIke I'm some errant schoolboy and this Board is a beyond-reproach, heaven-scented beacon of benevolence at all times! And as if I haven't posted time and again on all things QPR from a long-standing knowledge/fandom/writing base, and added words of support on- and off-board to QPR fans, players, and officials.
Take a day off, Elbow. Not being funny but you're sort of ruining the actual Simon Stainrod for me now.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 07:52 - Oct 9 with 1768 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 07:26 - Oct 4 by stainrods_elbow
To be honest, Clive, I'm afraid I have no clear idea of what you feel I need to apologise for. With respect, I think it's you who needs to get back to reading what I say/don't say accurately rather than caricaturing/distorting it (why get defensive about your perfectly valid Wrexham prediction when I actually spoke of a generally tedious consensus correlating resources and standings, which I've already shown to be flawed elsewhere?), leaving aside your need here to run down, well, just about everything I write as (to you) weird, abusive, obsessive, provocative (what's wrong with provocative anyway - or would studied blandness on a football message board be preferable?) etc. etc. etc. After that kind of character assassination, it's lucky I still have a character left!
I don't have a 'schtick', by the way - I'm afraid I'm not that clever or calculating or strategic or self-promoting. I say what I think at a given time, on a given day, with a fan's foolish fervour, and people can deal with it or not as they wish - it doesn't really bother me. I'm a passionate supporter, I love writing, so I stir the pot, test the waters, and will mostly react adversely only if I feel people misrepresent what I say, as in this case. That's it! At the end of the day, all of this is just magnificently futile anyway, like football itself. Finally, if you seriously want/need to portray me as some kind of grandiose self-publicist, when I have spoken only occasionally and in passing about my work (far less than you do, in fact), be my guest, but it's simply not true.
Much of this mainly just reinforces to me that, in human groups, it's generally not what's said but who's saying it that gets valued/devalued, according to projective dynamics and status regimes. Just as QPR fans often need scapegoats on the pitch, it's hardly surprising that the same dynamics are replicated on a board like this one. As in life, the best defended tend to have the safest passage, while the most open and vulnerable get shot at and shat on.
In the meantime, (as, for my part, I have no axe to grind), keep up the great work, which, as I said on your Oxford report, I often wish could be sent direct to the club! Any updates on whether/when they plan on speaking to LfW, by the way?
[Post edited 4 Oct 7:35]
We interviewed Stephan three weeks ago. Something else a 30 second fact check could have told you.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:25 - Oct 9 with 1493 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:05 - Oct 2 by Northernr
One of the points that’s been missed is something we talked about a few weeks back… Cifuentes had 2 years with this team and league, he’ll have known a lot more about what works and doesn’t work at the end than he did at the start. That knowledge left with him, we start afresh with Stephan so there will be things like Hayden and Field together which we know from experience is going to be poor but he has to find out himself. If he repeats the mistakes of last night over and over, then you’ve got a problem. So far he’s seemed quite pragmatic, proactive and quick to learn to me.
Just catching up reading this thread with some popcorn.
I get that the learned knowledge left the building with Cifuentes, but *ducks for cover* isn't this addressed with Kevin Betsy et al?
This should be the argument for some continuity between coaches, as we now have a person who in theory is across all the age groups, so should know what works or doesn't with the various squads.
Shirley he is best placed to let the coach know that maybe playing Hayden and Field at the same time will reduce the number of passes forward during the match.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:45 - Oct 9 with 1442 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 19:50 - Oct 5 by stainrods_elbow
Not really - believe it or not, in life I'm quite conflict-averse. It's just that I stand up for myself when I need to against caricaturists, gaslighters, and scapegoaters, regardless of the interlocutor. Though I do like David Shrigley.
[Post edited 5 Oct 19:51]
I think I've seen some of your work before;
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:48 - Oct 9 with 1432 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:25 - Oct 9 by nick_hammersmith
Just catching up reading this thread with some popcorn.
I get that the learned knowledge left the building with Cifuentes, but *ducks for cover* isn't this addressed with Kevin Betsy et al?
This should be the argument for some continuity between coaches, as we now have a person who in theory is across all the age groups, so should know what works or doesn't with the various squads.
Shirley he is best placed to let the coach know that maybe playing Hayden and Field at the same time will reduce the number of passes forward during the match.
And yet... it's still happening.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 14:20 - Oct 9 with 1281 views
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 13:25 - Oct 9 by nick_hammersmith
Just catching up reading this thread with some popcorn.
I get that the learned knowledge left the building with Cifuentes, but *ducks for cover* isn't this addressed with Kevin Betsy et al?
This should be the argument for some continuity between coaches, as we now have a person who in theory is across all the age groups, so should know what works or doesn't with the various squads.
Shirley he is best placed to let the coach know that maybe playing Hayden and Field at the same time will reduce the number of passes forward during the match.
Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 01:09 - Oct 6 by numptydumpty
I just can't take your view Stainrod of classing yourself as vulnerable whilst also abusing all and sundry on here as not vulnerable - how the h*ck do you know this.
Am in no doubt, you know of no one elses personal circumstances on here.
To be fair, you have been so horrid and abusive at all times to so many people on here, and to be honest its awful.
Now, you are having a pop at Clive, and i cannot think of any other forum that would have been so lenient towards yourself. Think you would have been banned from posting on nearly all other sites.
You deserve sadly at the very least, a long suspension from here. You are always unaware at times of the nasty impact on occasions of your words.
i personally cant cope with your dreadful abuse. You will reply suggesting it is you that are sinned against. etc.
No one else on here does what you do. We are supporters of the same football team. We are not at odds with each other.
Please leave.
If you don’t like him then block him so you don’t have to read his posts. It’s not up to you to tell people to leave the forum.
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Stephan stands by team selection after QPR draw and gives Clarke-Salter update on 17:32 - Oct 9 with 885 views
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