| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 139866 views | ted_hendrix |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:23 - Oct 28 with 3202 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:59 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
Every time I walk through White City and look at the land that's been developed there, huge patch north of Westfield, huge patch between TVC and the Westway, I think of all the opportunities missed.
I don't get why the council is so down on the LCS idea. I'm not convinced the site would work, particularly access wise, and obviously the open land thing is an issue, but it feels like a win win project to me. |
With LCS it prob has more problems ahead than Cargiant was ever going to have. residents gov land access awful , hospital behind it , so massive hurdles to overcome before a spade is put in the ground , the clubs original ideas of a multi use stadium , Great links etc was sound they just cocked it up by going for car giant , esp when better options were aval , had prob no planning issues but cost some money for the land which in the bigger picture was a drop in the ocean.
plan A buy the land build a stadium selll remainder of the land to
developers aka wembley loads of flats etc
Plan B sell land to hotel chain build a new hotel badly needed in the area off set the build cost of the ground in part.
now we are scratching around for anything anywhere to bu something . |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:37 - Oct 28 with 3144 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:59 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
Every time I walk through White City and look at the land that's been developed there, huge patch north of Westfield, huge patch between TVC and the Westway, I think of all the opportunities missed.
I don't get why the council is so down on the LCS idea. I'm not convinced the site would work, particularly access wise, and obviously the open land thing is an issue, but it feels like a win win project to me. |
I suspect that the LCS option has major land covenants, interested parties and some planning complexities - all resolvable in my view.
What we don't know is who else is talking to H&F other than QPR. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:45 - Oct 28 with 3110 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:37 - Oct 28 by BostonR |
I suspect that the LCS option has major land covenants, interested parties and some planning complexities - all resolvable in my view.
What we don't know is who else is talking to H&F other than QPR. |
Wouldnt imagine many people are suddenly looking at LCS its been run down for years, the planning problems would be huge and to be honest was always going to be more of a problem than car giant was going to be . The famed HS2 hub which uncle tony made such huge selling point off has been delayed again and isnt due to break ground to next year now , thats also been downsized from the original plans. its a huge mistake by the board to not look at all better options aval when they was screwing around with car giant ,
big question is now is are they happy to keep pumping cash into the club long term ? [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 10:03]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:33 - Oct 28 with 2991 views | PunteR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:52 - Oct 28 by bosh67 |
I've always said that with the right planning and architects that Loftus Road could be completely redesigned to hold about 23000 which is catchment wise all we are ever going to get. It is a 10 minute walk from trains and the club would do better to come to some arrangement in the area to gain car park lease arrangements somewhere in Shepherd's Bush or north of the ground somewhere. The bottom line is with rail sating in the lower sections, a total rebuild with boxes etc in a high tech roof and the club actually leasing or owning car parks in the area, which would turn a profit, we would be better off staying where we are. |
I doubt the owners want to spend millions on doing that with little return ?
I personally think its doable but is there anything in it for the owners. ? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Oct 28 with 2986 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:45 - Oct 28 by wombat |
Wouldnt imagine many people are suddenly looking at LCS its been run down for years, the planning problems would be huge and to be honest was always going to be more of a problem than car giant was going to be . The famed HS2 hub which uncle tony made such huge selling point off has been delayed again and isnt due to break ground to next year now , thats also been downsized from the original plans. its a huge mistake by the board to not look at all better options aval when they was screwing around with car giant ,
big question is now is are they happy to keep pumping cash into the club long term ? [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 10:03]
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It appears they are in it for the long-term given what they have stumped up so far. Now that the training ground is done you would imagine their long-term focus will be on the relocation. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:47 - Oct 28 with 2951 views | BklynRanger |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:33 - Oct 28 by PunteR |
I doubt the owners want to spend millions on doing that with little return ?
I personally think its doable but is there anything in it for the owners. ? |
I think a far lesser version of what Bosh is describing seems to be the only real plan for the next 5-10 years though. If we could get promoted they'd be looking to bring it up to whatever spec the PL needs these days, and then make whatever other improvements they could for now with the cash injection from the promised land. Which would be fair enough by me tbh.
Getting the training ground going seems to have cooled things down a bit on the push to move, along with the massive complexity of the task, current gates and a few other things. But I could be wrong, might be a canny bit of gamesmanship on the board's part. Either way I'm 49 and am 50/50 on whether I'll ever sit in a new stadium. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:55 - Oct 28 with 2927 views | MedwayR |
We're rapidly running out of options. Obviously we've missed the boat with the redevelopment around Westfield & BBC sites, Kensal Gasworks may have been an option once upon a time but that's gone now.
So like CliveWilsonSaid said its David Lloyd near Acton Park, Twyford Avenue Sports Ground or more likely try for Old Oak Common again. All rather difficult to achieve. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 with 2893 views | Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |  | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:08 - Oct 28 with 2846 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 by Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |
with the changes in how people work now is their a market anymore for using facilities during the week, I'm not sure it's as profitable as it once was and even if we manage to get a new stadium we have competition on our doorstep for the same thing |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:14 - Oct 28 with 2826 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 by Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |
when studies have taken place before i think these are the main problems
light issues with the flats and houses behind South Africa road and ellerslie.
underground river stops us going any deeper
covenants on the ground which stops us using the ground much more than it is.
so the option to redevelop the ground for a slightly bigger capacity is pretty low.
to be able to grow we need to be using the ground for concerts , boxing you name it , not just games ever week. they screwed up and now we are having to put pressure on the council for the LCS which is last chance saloon for us to stay in the local area , | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:17 - Oct 28 with 2817 views | E17hoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:08 - Oct 28 by daveB |
with the changes in how people work now is their a market anymore for using facilities during the week, I'm not sure it's as profitable as it once was and even if we manage to get a new stadium we have competition on our doorstep for the same thing |
There's a ton of options they could exploit from conferencing and meeting spaces and remote working hubs, community centres, lending libraries, hosting council and third sector spaces, to health and wellbeing, gyms, and even schools. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:18 - Oct 28 with 2814 views | BAWHoops |
I've seen a couple of interviews where there's the odd line about improving Loftus Road. That would certainly be the preferred option for me...
However, in order to do anything you'd have to do what Liverpool did and buy up the houses in the surrounding area. If people don't want to sell then you use the c*nts trick of letting streets becoming dilapidated drug havens so the hold outs end up selling.
Was frankly atrocious what Liverpool did to their community... and I wouldn't put it past our owners looking to do the same. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:20 - Oct 28 with 2806 views | A40Bosh |
When it comes to supposed missed opportunities I get the impression that some posters believe we are some big hitters who think they can walk in and expect to start calling the odds on what land we want and when we want it and how much we expect to pay for it.
Comments about cock ups when no one knows either the high level details let alone the fine details on what has been going on behind closed doors. Warren Farm was unfortunate not a cock up, these things happen in business and the board reacted quickly and secured a better deal.
I think this latest report is friendly journalism helping to bring focus to the council to pull things together rather than admitting defeat over LCS.
If LR could be remodelled they would have found a way by now. Heston is an absolute non starter for a ground if you are spending millions on development of a state of the art academy anyway.
Patience is still required so continue to enjoy the atmosphere created by the 14k that currently turn up most weeks in our lovely little old stadium. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Oct 28 with 2756 views | Juzzie |
The whole 'update-Loftus-Road-by-buying-the-houses-on-Ellerslie-Road/Loftus Road' has been done to death. It's simply not feasible.
People talk about about it as though it's easy as pie.... just like that.
My neighbour is having a side/rear L-shaped extension done. The whole thing has taken years (planning permissions, architecture rejections, new plans/designs submitted, building work, material shortages, fall out's with neighbours etc). He's totally exhausted.
There are some 300 individual properties (these are not each single dwelling houses, they're all converted to flats).
Can you imagine having to buy-out 300+ properties? And what if many don't want to leave? That's before you even start with new stand designs, planning permissions, demolition, re-construction etc. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:30 - Oct 28 with 2740 views | BklynRanger |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:18 - Oct 28 by BAWHoops |
I've seen a couple of interviews where there's the odd line about improving Loftus Road. That would certainly be the preferred option for me...
However, in order to do anything you'd have to do what Liverpool did and buy up the houses in the surrounding area. If people don't want to sell then you use the c*nts trick of letting streets becoming dilapidated drug havens so the hold outs end up selling.
Was frankly atrocious what Liverpool did to their community... and I wouldn't put it past our owners looking to do the same. |
They're a few things but I haven't got any sense of the owners being total c*nts?
Apart from that the Liverpool comparison doesn't really work I don't think. This is from living there for a short time in the 90s admittedly, but some of the streets around Anfield were rough as fcuk long before the ransacking of the area by LFC started. By contrast the streets around our ground are desirable real estate so, thankfully, it wouldn't work. [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 11:33]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Oct 28 with 2704 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Oct 28 by Juzzie |
The whole 'update-Loftus-Road-by-buying-the-houses-on-Ellerslie-Road/Loftus Road' has been done to death. It's simply not feasible.
People talk about about it as though it's easy as pie.... just like that.
My neighbour is having a side/rear L-shaped extension done. The whole thing has taken years (planning permissions, architecture rejections, new plans/designs submitted, building work, material shortages, fall out's with neighbours etc). He's totally exhausted.
There are some 300 individual properties (these are not each single dwelling houses, they're all converted to flats).
Can you imagine having to buy-out 300+ properties? And what if many don't want to leave? That's before you even start with new stand designs, planning permissions, demolition, re-construction etc. |
...and there is bound to be a unique feeding ground for our local feathered friends as well. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Oct 28 with 2703 views | Phildo |
I was invited to AFC Wimbledon v Shef wed on the day of the Fulham game which I could not get a ticket for (90 minutes of Barry Bannon immaculately passing to people who could not trap a bag of cement and poor Barry getting very upset).
Its a cracking little ground with lots of hospitality options - all full. From banqueting suites to posh boxes down to a carvery and access to a bar. We can only offer that on a tiny scale at LR and as the boxes at our place were originally carved out of the South Africa road terracing there is very little scope to add to it.
The decline of retail might open up a site somewhere at some point I suppose - who owns the W12 shopping centre and would that be big enough? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:49 - Oct 28 with 2660 views | NorthantsHoop |
I think we are probably all being softened up for a move further west. I love LR, proximity to urban centre etc and it's uniqueness and history, but think we all know it is not a sustainable option in the modern game. We are going to have within the next 2 or 3 years a state of the art training facility at Heston, and I would assume that the Board would like to have a comparable ground to match. Can we stay in the W12 or surrounding area in a new ground it is looking increasingly unlikely and at what price. No doubt pressure is being put on the Council to move ahead on Linford Christie site, but as we know with the Warren Farm stuff that dragged on for years if the community and other interest groups are opposed it will just be more frustration. But who knows something can happen as it has with Heston, alternatives may be found, but I have a suspicion we will have to move out a few miles further west/north west to obtain the site to build on. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:56 - Oct 28 with 2614 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:20 - Oct 28 by A40Bosh |
When it comes to supposed missed opportunities I get the impression that some posters believe we are some big hitters who think they can walk in and expect to start calling the odds on what land we want and when we want it and how much we expect to pay for it.
Comments about cock ups when no one knows either the high level details let alone the fine details on what has been going on behind closed doors. Warren Farm was unfortunate not a cock up, these things happen in business and the board reacted quickly and secured a better deal.
I think this latest report is friendly journalism helping to bring focus to the council to pull things together rather than admitting defeat over LCS.
If LR could be remodelled they would have found a way by now. Heston is an absolute non starter for a ground if you are spending millions on development of a state of the art academy anyway.
Patience is still required so continue to enjoy the atmosphere created by the 14k that currently turn up most weeks in our lovely little old stadium. |
The issue with missed opportunities isn't us being big hitters or not, but the focus of the owners. Whilst Fernandes was dreaming of the billions he'd make if he could redevelop the entire 200 acres at Old Oak (that he didn't actually own), there were numerous sites we could have gone for within spitting distance of Loftus Rd that would have serviced our needs perfectly. The M&S warehouses behind White City station, the Dairy Crest site immediately next door to it, BBC Woodlands, BBC White City - all 4 of those had enough space to build a stadium and some flats alongside. Throw in a redevelopment of LR and we'd have massively reduced the cost of relocating.
But, as I say, we ignored those entirely because Fernandes was fantasising about something else. The exact same thing happened when Chris Wright turned down the council's offer to sell us the land behind the school end because he was fixated on moving out to sodding Heathrow. The last 30 years is a litany of missed opportunities. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:23 - Oct 28 with 2504 views | Hayesender |
Well I'm 50 now, and I doubt very much that we'll have a new stadium, or even a site for one in my lifetime.
Suits me fine as I love Loftus Rd, but it does hinder our prospects somewhat |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:31 - Oct 28 with 2466 views | Juzzie |
Of course they would, looks all so easy on paper. They wouldn't be involved in trying to move out hundreds of people from 300+ flats. They'd just deal with the construction. QPR would have to handle the mahoosive headache of all the admin. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:36 - Oct 28 with 2457 views | Esox_Lucius |
A factor in future plans should also be the consideration of moving outside the ULEZ area due to the amount of QPR fans who no longer live within 5 miles of W12. There used to be a demographics map on Ben's old .org site IIRC and it would be interesting to see an up to date version showing where our 14k fans are arriving from. Pricier parking and the ULEZ are already starting to cause concern among a number of the people I know who are regulars at W12 and maybe it is time to move back along the M40 to somewhere near Northolt/ Ruislip which is still a heartland for QPR AFAIK and should be a lot better for parking and travel access.
There are plenty of stadium designs which should allow the new ground to replicate the look of the KPFS and retain the closeness to the pitch required for the atmosphere. A 25-30K version of Boavista's ground looks to be a perfect solution to those who would miss the familiarity of our ground. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:46 - Oct 28 with 2415 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:31 - Oct 28 by Juzzie |
Of course they would, looks all so easy on paper. They wouldn't be involved in trying to move out hundreds of people from 300+ flats. They'd just deal with the construction. QPR would have to handle the mahoosive headache of all the admin. |
If you read the doc they don't say anything about acquiring surrounding property, and imply that it could be done on the existing site. That's why I said it felt 'ambitious'. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 28 with 3052 views | switchingcode |
Brentford’s new stadium is built on around 22000 square metres and holds 17500
Loftus road is just over 18000 square metres so the option of building a 25000 + stadium on the site is not there.Would have thought LC site would be perfect and the sale of LR would go a long way towards the build costs. | | | |
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