| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES 11:59 - Dec 28 with 7242 views | numptydumpty |
This man has been like a cancer for our club
He has presided over a period in our history when we have gone from an exciting top of the table championship club - well run - well financed - well balanced - into a club overstaffed in administrative area and if it wasn't for the development of one man who was always going to develop ie Ebere Eze then we really would have already been in a much worse position than we are currently
The initial fanfare of Fernandes I like nearly everyone else was bought in by the hype - we were promised a new stadium, exciting player development, a club players would want to come to and a club on a course to developing our fan base with a new stadium and all round facilities used with an outfit that at all levels could be incredibly professional.
What we actually have is staff in jobs that we not sure what they all do ie Les, Ramsey, Eustace, Hoos, Warburton etc
The only area in my mind we have done well is in the development of our community position ie the likes of Sinton, Forever R's etc but obviously if that is not met with the finances and playing staff not being up to much - its an irrelevance
Throughout this time the trigger happy Fernandes has made mistake after mistake and ten years later we are still not learning
Yes we can blame Les, Warburton (or any manager we have had) we can blame FFP but whose fault was that - we can blame Beard but ultimately the buck stops at the top - the man with the purse strings.
Terrible decisions were made over player recruitment and wages given - destroyed the club and ultimately the decision by Fernandes to hide in the background for me - is another ploy of the man to have the blame taken on by others ie people such as Les are questioned , every new manager, assistant, coaching staff, financial gurus etc.
We forget the hullabaloo Fernandes with his excited schoolboy tweets influenced our club to be dragged from a respected club with a culture of skillful football with moments of brilliance but ultimately also a family club where generation after generation of families followed our club and enjoyed the buzz of matchday.
Ultimately yes we are in a strange scenario with this COVID restrictions but the club has ultimately spontaneously combusted this season.
Not sure if lot of our players need a crowd but ultimately we always have to adapt - we are a professional organisation
But yes its true in London we are a bit of a joke club. Sad for me to say over a club that my first game was in 1980 and some fabulous teams over a long period.
Ultimately yes you can look back with rose tinted glasses but this season I sadly have never seen a team that has less ability, less desire and less belief than this team today.
Yes we are QPR and as we all know - we can be awful and then win away at the top club.
Who we playing next - Norwich top team away - yes I know we will probably win - seen it many times
But this season its been just we seem not to have players that really arent performing - I just fear nearly all are playing to the best of their abilities.
If you asked me last season I would have said brilliant exciting and going the rght way but we have truly gone backwards big time
To me the ultimate decision not to buy and give Nakhi Wells a contract said a lot about our club
Yes he proably would have been on a higher wage than most but the man that can score the goals is the most important player.
We found this out when we got zero goals from this section of our team
Am sure players such as Manning and BOS put off but this lack of foresight
But if you try to save too much money it becomes counter productive ie if you not give the goalscorer a contract that gives you the chance to score the goals so we can compete at the top end of the table and thus attract hungry players wanting to succeed being interested in our club.
flak
Fernandes was the reason we got hit with FFP not Hughes or Redknapp who we all consistently lament - No its all about Fernandes
The decision by this man to go low level visibility actually means lot of flak going else where
So if I had a choice get rid Eustace, Les, Ramsey, Warburton, Dykes, Bonne , Barbet or Wallace - No the number one person I want to leave this club is TONY FERNANDES
You have to put things politely Mr Fernandes made a little but of a balls up with our club
Give us our club back and in order to maintain your own legacy I suggest with all your far and wide business contacts search for the correct person to lead our club much more sensibly and progressively in the future and come out of hiding and admit you have made an almighty cock up in your overall control of a once great little club with a great and connected fanbase.
All I want for Christmas is not you - TONY FERNANDES !!!!!
Please give us back our club and we will all start again from scratch. But realise you are the main cancer from within that we no longer need.
Happy new Year
Cmon you supa hoopsa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |  |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 10:03 - Dec 29 with 1279 views | francisbowles |
For all the mistakes that were made in the first few years, if our owners decided to stop putting money into the club and 'walk away' or 'wash their hands of it' we would very quickly
1. Fail to pay the players
2. Get put into administration
3. Be doomed to L1 and maybe if results don't improve and we get relegated anyway,
4. Start League One with a big points deduction
So we need to forget this one quickly.
Unless someone wants to buy it (and they could be worse) then we absolutely need these owners to stay with the club. |  | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 10:03 - Dec 29 with 1279 views | MelakaRanger |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 08:46 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
The buck doesn’t stop with him any more it stops with Ruben. |
Everyone say Fernades out but no one says Ruben out!?
Despite the complete and utter mess since Bernie & Flavio sold up, the owners have accepted responsibility for their many mistakes and are putting their money where their mouths are.
Many an owner would not put the money they are putting in and we would be going the way of Bury
Dont get me wrong, the past 6 years have been a complete disaster .
All those shouting for a change of owners I would just say, be careful what you wish for |  | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 14:13 - Dec 29 with 1142 views | R_from_afar |
Oh my, well spotted! |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 14:13 - Dec 29 with 1140 views | Orthodox_Hoop |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 14:36 - Dec 29 with 1103 views | PinnerPaul |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 08:09 - Dec 29 by numptydumpty |
Ok so Fernandes is a minority shareholder but he wants our club to do well
£35 million to a new prospective billionaire is peanuts
If we are allowed to pay off the FFP debt ahead of time - why not do this - its more like £13 million now as against the £17 million - am guessing.. ie couple payments in now
Fernandes is a big corporation businessman - and must surely know others in the higher so called echelons of society.
The big sell for us is we are currently a club just one season away from the premier league at an given point in time and we are in the big smoke ie a city of culture and everything goes etc...
If he did this, the fans would totally respect the guy and forgive the past absolutely
If he started going into the pubs around the area again - what sort of overall reaction would you expect him to get now.
Yes ok I admit no wins in eight games does not mean total doom and gloom but the club has gone backwards in many respects .
I hear people moan about all the others in the club but this man now is a forgotten figure and others criticised for what ultimately the buck stops with him. |
We get to pay the fine over 10 years (Interest free), in what universe is paying it all in one go 'better'?
Haven't ever seen the EFL offer us £4M off if we pay now?
As for the £35M being 'peanuts' to a billionaire - its peanuts to the Mittals, but they aren't and never have been looking for a 100% share which they have always been able to comfortably afford. | | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 14:57 - Dec 29 with 1072 views | numptydumpty |
I am referring to Fernandes in general ie he has been in control until last couple years or so - I just dont wish him associated with the club
Thats my point !!!
He has been culpable for around eight of the ten years - thats the message I was attempting to get across
Seems he got away scot free by changing things around and people forgiven him for the previous eight years of yo yo ing | |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 15:01 - Dec 29 with 1067 views | numptydumpty |
Its better if we keep having keep couple million free for the next ten seasons etc. Ie wont be a mill stone arounds our neck
Yes the mittals have billions and dont put anything of great value into a club hence why we happy with them then.
As others have said the direction and focus long term still does not seem to be there like at Bournemouth , Brighton, Burnley and other examples.
Sometimes fan power does for a lot.... | |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 15:08 - Dec 29 with 1050 views | paulparker |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 10:03 - Dec 29 by MelakaRanger |
Everyone say Fernades out but no one says Ruben out!?
Despite the complete and utter mess since Bernie & Flavio sold up, the owners have accepted responsibility for their many mistakes and are putting their money where their mouths are.
Many an owner would not put the money they are putting in and we would be going the way of Bury
Dont get me wrong, the past 6 years have been a complete disaster .
All those shouting for a change of owners I would just say, be careful what you wish for |
This lot are only keeping us going so they can sell the ground and recoup some of there losses
Loftus road and the development would bring in at least 250 million
That’s why they want the council to pick up the cost of a potential move to the linford Christie stadium so we can lease off them
They are keeping the club afloat as they should do , nothing more is going into the coffers so I’m not buying into the thank god for the board spiel |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 15:14 - Dec 29 with 1045 views | PinnerPaul |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 15:01 - Dec 29 by numptydumpty |
Its better if we keep having keep couple million free for the next ten seasons etc. Ie wont be a mill stone arounds our neck
Yes the mittals have billions and dont put anything of great value into a club hence why we happy with them then.
As others have said the direction and focus long term still does not seem to be there like at Bournemouth , Brighton, Burnley and other examples.
Sometimes fan power does for a lot.... |
but why would the owners choose to lose interest on £17M by paying it all now?
In no known world is it better to pay an interest free loan - for that's what it is in effect - immediately, in full, rather than over 10 years.
Any fictional new billionaire owner would choose the same option! | | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 16:58 - Dec 29 with 967 views | R_from_afar |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 15:08 - Dec 29 by paulparker |
This lot are only keeping us going so they can sell the ground and recoup some of there losses
Loftus road and the development would bring in at least 250 million
That’s why they want the council to pick up the cost of a potential move to the linford Christie stadium so we can lease off them
They are keeping the club afloat as they should do , nothing more is going into the coffers so I’m not buying into the thank god for the board spiel |
Maybe the board will sell ASAP, but no one *knows* that for a fact.
Whatever happens, someone needs to keep injecting £1m into the club every month to keep it going and I don't see other prospective owners clamouring to do that.
For that reason, I am very grateful to our current owners (whom I have never met or had any direct contact with). | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 17:03 - Dec 29 with 961 views | R_from_afar |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 16:58 - Dec 29 by R_from_afar |
Maybe the board will sell ASAP, but no one *knows* that for a fact.
Whatever happens, someone needs to keep injecting £1m into the club every month to keep it going and I don't see other prospective owners clamouring to do that.
For that reason, I am very grateful to our current owners (whom I have never met or had any direct contact with). |
One more thing: It's interesting how Tony never gets the credit for anything positive but is always the first in the firing line when something goes wrong.
I call it Fernandes' Law  | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 18:35 - Dec 29 with 906 views | markqpr |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 17:03 - Dec 29 by R_from_afar |
One more thing: It's interesting how Tony never gets the credit for anything positive but is always the first in the firing line when something goes wrong.
I call it Fernandes' Law |
Harold Shipman has the same problem. No one ever talks about the patients he saved.
My main gripe with Fernandes isn't the fact that he has a lepers touch when it comes to any sports he has invested in.
It's the total BS that he spouted in ignorance.
From the BS that QPR is an 'unpolished diamond' that he, using all his experience of success in football, was going to polish into something special.
The BS prices he charged to watch BS footballers while Tweeting his constant BS.
His ignorance was only eclipsed by his arrogance.
Thank fu(k that he's ballsed it up so badly that Ruben has had to take over and slowly over the last two years begin to turn it around.
He hasn't left us high and dry though and despite the fact he's as useful as chocolate teapot, he's still here, still investing and still cares.
He might be useless and to defend him you really have reach far and scrape the bottom of the biggest barrel of BS, to the point were you have to state things he didn't do as a plus rather than anything he actually did, but he's an R now and has always had the best intentions for us.
He never set out to ruin us, he's just a useless, rich arrogant prick. But he's our useless, rich arrogant prick. |  | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 20:48 - Dec 29 with 835 views | charmr |
How about one of those dodgy countries regimes looking to invest in Rangers.
Anyone fancy that and for how long? | | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 02:25 - Dec 30 with 797 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 16:30 - Dec 28 by hantssi |
That’s been my point all along, be careful what you wish for!
They were awful owners who along with Paladini divided the fan base and nearly destroyed the club.
The current owners may not be perfect but it’s better than that. |
Bollocks. |  | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 02:30 - Dec 30 with 795 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 18:35 - Dec 28 by Northernr |
Most posts ignoring the point about who would buy it. It's not like sacking a manager. You can't just "run him out of Shepherd's Bush", there has to be a buyer. Why on earth is anybody buying this club in these circumstances? |
You're right to point out that nobody would buy the club now but that's because Tony and his band of merry men have made it an unviable proposition. | | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 02:42 - Dec 30 with 792 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 18:57 - Dec 28 by Northernr |
I don't think they were far off mate. Made an absolute mess of it, saddled it with an enormous wage bill, made it so no manager worth a dime would touch it, allowed Paladini to run it with predictable results, drove it to the brink of League One and if it had gone there I can't imagine they'd have dilligently wanted to bring it back. Enormous contracts handed out to Paladini agent clients, like Agyemang, Hall, Borrowdale.
These things get forgotten in time - remember the reaction to the near doubling in ticket prices, and the gold silver and bronze thing, with Ali Russell as CEO? People said they'd never go again. Two months into the following season they tried to quietly introduce a "category A" fixture when even the higher prices were raised, and would have got that through but they picked Derby as the first one and their CEO actually took it up with the league on behalf of their travelling fans and it was ruled illegal.
The whole club was a catastrophe by the middle of 2009/10. Protests, boycotts, a dreadful team, seven loan signings when we could only play five, already through four managers that season, every player I've spoken to from that reign says they were going down, to a man. Here are our results from 11 years ago...
Nov 21 - Doncaster 2-0 QPR
Nov 28 - QPR 2-2 Coventry
Dec 5 - QPR 1-5 Boro
Dec 7 - Watford 3-1 QPR (manager sacked)
Dec 14 - WBA 2-2 QPR
Dec 19 - QPR 1-1 Sheff Utd
Dec 26 - QPR 2-1 Bristol City (this is our only win in 16 and we got booed off)
Dec 28 - Ipswich 3-0 QPR
Jan 3 - Sheff Utd 1-1 QPR
Jan 12 - QPR 2-3 Sheff Utd (manager sacked)
Jan 16 - Blackpool 2-2 QPR
Jan 26 - Forest 5-0 QPR
Jan 30 - QPR 0-1 Scunthorpe (fcking Scunthorpe man)
Feb 6 - Peterborough 1-0 QPR
Feb 9 - QPR 1-2 Ipswich
Feb 13 - Coventry 1-0 QPR (manager sacked)
We've got one win in eight and people want Warburton, Ferdinand, Hoos and Fernandes lynched. There's one win in 16 and three changes of managers and we're talking it up as the good old days of sound ownership.
The decision to hand the running of it over to Amit, and his decision to bring in Warnock, turned the whole thing around, but the majority of the Four Year Plan apart from the very beginning when they rescued it from admin, and the end, for which fair fcks, were terrible.
The only nonsense here is the idea that these guys were serial winners who knew what they were doing all along. They absolutely butchered it, and got bailed out by two men right at the point that it was all about to implode.
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I agree that Tango and Cash got lucky when Amit took charge and hired Warnock. However with respect to the financials, nothing can touch Fernandes' record. He doubled the wage bill to £70m by handing out huge contracts to the likes of Barton, SWP, Bosingwa, Essou-Akotto, Cesar, Green, Samba, etc. Worse still, he didn't insert relegation clauses in these contracts meaning that QPR retained this wage bill in the championship. Within a few years, he'd wasted half a billion on PL prima donnas and racked up a £250m debt which incurred a £20m FFP fine. Nothing we can level at Tango and Cash can ever compare to this. | | | |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 02:45 - Dec 30 with 790 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Person I most want out of our club is ... TONY FERNANDES on 14:36 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
We get to pay the fine over 10 years (Interest free), in what universe is paying it all in one go 'better'?
Haven't ever seen the EFL offer us £4M off if we pay now?
As for the £35M being 'peanuts' to a billionaire - its peanuts to the Mittals, but they aren't and never have been looking for a 100% share which they have always been able to comfortably afford. |
Mittal was looking for a 100% share but his offer of £30m was rejected by Tango and Cash because they knew of an imbecile in the pit lane who'd pay more. | | | |
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