| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! 14:34 - Dec 12 with 6898 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Ridiculous! |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:02 - Dec 12 with 4743 views | Wren67 |
Yeah real sh*t |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:15 - Dec 12 with 4673 views | quickpassrotter |
The only sport in the world where you can make up the rules as the game (race) is played out live in front of you. Michael Massi the race director is, as he demonstrated throughout the F1 season, totally out of his depth. Amazing and ridiculous decision. Embarrassing for the sport. |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:17 - Dec 12 with 4656 views | peejaybee |
Last LAP Safety Car = Stitch Up. |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:31 - Dec 12 with 4545 views | OakR |
Be interesting to see what happens with the Mercedes appeal.
Can't see the overtaking one working.
An interesting first decision not to make Hamilton give the place back, which would have made for a more interesting race.
I didn't even understand what was happening at the end it changed so quickly - did Massi make a mistake under pressure, try to keep the race going or something else- we will never know but it will feel very odd if it gets overturned now.
Guess they will view things slightly differently in Holland than here - amazed Hamilton is not publicly fuming, showing some real class at the moment. | |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:53 - Dec 12 with 4421 views | Esox_Lucius |
It all began with the change in rules handicapping the Mercedes & Aston Martin cars and give the Red Bull an advantage. Somewhere along the line there were people who didn't want to see Lewis Hamilton win another WDC. Martin Brundle didn't actually inspire any notion that he was an impartial observer either. He and Anthony Davidson seem to really have it in for Lewis. |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:56 - Dec 12 with 4402 views | daveB |
i don't usually watch F1 but watched today, was a baffling end, how can someone with a 12 second lead be allowed to start neck and neck for the last lap. made no sense to me |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:57 - Dec 12 with 4394 views | quickpassrotter |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:53 - Dec 12 by Esox_Lucius |
It all began with the change in rules handicapping the Mercedes & Aston Martin cars and give the Red Bull an advantage. Somewhere along the line there were people who didn't want to see Lewis Hamilton win another WDC. Martin Brundle didn't actually inspire any notion that he was an impartial observer either. He and Anthony Davidson seem to really have it in for Lewis. |
Yes....strange attitude from those two ....clearly LH has annoyed and upset them along the way. | | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 17:40 - Dec 12 with 4241 views | OldPedro |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 16:56 - Dec 12 by daveB |
i don't usually watch F1 but watched today, was a baffling end, how can someone with a 12 second lead be allowed to start neck and neck for the last lap. made no sense to me |
Safety cars rules have been that way for many years - field always closes up and it's always the car in front that has the most to lose |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 17:47 - Dec 12 with 4193 views | stevec |
It’s a bit like being one goal up and being told you’re only allowed to play walking football until the other side equalises. |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 17:49 - Dec 12 with 4179 views | DWQPR |
From what I understand with the lapped cars being allowed to unlap this should have been the rule for all lapped cars and not just those between LH and the Dutch bloke. Yet what was allowed to happen was just those five cars between them. This was was a decision made shortly after another decision was made whereby they decided not to let the lap cars unlap themselves thus meaning that the Dutch bloke would have had to pass them in the last lap to get to LH. Rules in sport are there for a reason. They will get changed at the end of a season if the demand for the rule change is there and makes sense. And why should a leader be punished by a safety car deployment in such a way? Bad enough that it lets the field bunch up thus losing a decent lead but to also allow drivers to change tyres to then give an unfair advantage is just a joke. Verstrapon may be the WDC now but it’s a tarnished one as far as I’m concerned. | |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:28 - Dec 12 with 3930 views | slmrstid |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 17:49 - Dec 12 by DWQPR |
From what I understand with the lapped cars being allowed to unlap this should have been the rule for all lapped cars and not just those between LH and the Dutch bloke. Yet what was allowed to happen was just those five cars between them. This was was a decision made shortly after another decision was made whereby they decided not to let the lap cars unlap themselves thus meaning that the Dutch bloke would have had to pass them in the last lap to get to LH. Rules in sport are there for a reason. They will get changed at the end of a season if the demand for the rule change is there and makes sense. And why should a leader be punished by a safety car deployment in such a way? Bad enough that it lets the field bunch up thus losing a decent lead but to also allow drivers to change tyres to then give an unfair advantage is just a joke. Verstrapon may be the WDC now but it’s a tarnished one as far as I’m concerned. |
"From what I understand with the lapped cars being allowed to unlap this should have been the rule for all lapped cars and not just those between LH and the Dutch bloke"
Not just that, but after letting all the lapped cars go there should have been ANOTHER lap under the safety car before restarting - in which case the race would have finished under the SC and Lewis would have been champion again.
The RD has basically rewritten a rule to get a Hollywood style finish.
I've seen the breaking news story now where they've said the results stand - hardly surprising as they were never going to change it but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth that its been manipulated against their own rules so they could get the "dramatic" finish. |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:38 - Dec 12 with 3894 views | RangersDave |
all appeals dismissed, what a cluster fcuk! |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:43 - Dec 12 with 3867 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 17:40 - Dec 12 by OldPedro |
Safety cars rules have been that way for many years - field always closes up and it's always the car in front that has the most to lose |
True but when the safety car was deployed Max had 5 cars between him and Lewis (albeit backmarkers). It would have taken him a while to negotiate that traffic. When the race resumed he was right behind Lewis and on fresh tyres having taken a free pit stop.
Whichever way this saga pans out the rules need revision. It doesn't make sense that under a virtual safety car the gaps between cars are maintained (by reducing car speed by 40%) whilst under an actual safety car the field bunches up. The gap should always be maintained to ensure any advantage earned through the race is not immediately lost.
Moreover, the leader is further disadvantaged by a safety car in that if he pits he loses track position. If the opponent pits, they tuck in right behind the leader on fresh tyres. Pit stops shouldn't be allowed under the safety car. |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:47 - Dec 12 with 3840 views | DWQPR |
I suspect that this will go to the Court of arbitration for Sport. Governing bodies create rules to maintain the integrity of a sport that they oversee. What the FIA has done is engineered a result and destroyed the integrity. So this is what you get by selling a sport to the Yanks. Cash before integrity. Will do major damage to what in reality is a minority sport. | |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:55 - Dec 12 with 3805 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 19:47 - Dec 12 by DWQPR |
I suspect that this will go to the Court of arbitration for Sport. Governing bodies create rules to maintain the integrity of a sport that they oversee. What the FIA has done is engineered a result and destroyed the integrity. So this is what you get by selling a sport to the Yanks. Cash before integrity. Will do major damage to what in reality is a minority sport. |
Yes, a minority sport that has an EV alternative breathing down its neck. Today was a real Bobby Ewing comes back to life in the shower moment for F1. | | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 20:36 - Dec 12 with 3676 views | TGRRRSSS |
Never been into F1 as such but as said elsewhere selling it to the Yanks - who pr3fer INdy car anyway don't they?
Ecclestone really built it into the success it was.
With all thats going on I wonder if F1 will even be a thing in 2031? |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 21:13 - Dec 12 with 3579 views | BlackCrowe |
I like F1 a lot, but the past 3 or 4 races have been farcical. Michael Masi (F1 race director who make the calls) is a rabbit in headlights.
F1 today had presumably millions of new/very occasional viewers who will ditch the farce.
Great for the next season of Netflix 'Drive To Survive' though, which makes me wonder.... |  |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 21:27 - Dec 12 with 3520 views | RangersDave |
Mercedes just lodged their intention to appeal! | |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 21:59 - Dec 12 with 3467 views | LythamR |
Swings and roundabouts
Red bull rolled the dice twice and it paid off, mercedes made calls that turned out to be the wrong ones
the unlapping decision was abnormal but with only a lap left and lapped cars already behind verstappen were inconsequential.
I dont doubt that a commercial decision was made so the race could finish in competitive mode rather than under a safety card but I think history will show that the race director made the right decision for the well being of the sport commercially which really is all that seems to matter with F1
My estimation of Hamilton has definitely gone up with the way he handled the situation, would love to be a fly on the wall when he sits down with Mr Wolf!
Overall Verstappen just shaded it this year on racing skill and with slightly better luck would have one it before today, maybe today his luck evened out a bit. |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 07:54 - Dec 13 with 3224 views | cpgerber |
Yeah can give you some of how we see it over here in NL: most people pretty much agree that Max got a lucky break yesterday, but everyone is quick to point out its his turn, given how many decisions this season has gone _against_ him. Like the Hamilton overtaking at the start of the race from outside the track. As we all know, these things even out, right?
General consensus is that the best driver became champion. (for now).
And our studio panel of course pretty baffled by the Mercedes tactics to keep Lewis out that long on one set of tires. [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 7:55]
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 08:10 - Dec 13 with 3184 views | DWQPR |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 07:54 - Dec 13 by cpgerber |
Yeah can give you some of how we see it over here in NL: most people pretty much agree that Max got a lucky break yesterday, but everyone is quick to point out its his turn, given how many decisions this season has gone _against_ him. Like the Hamilton overtaking at the start of the race from outside the track. As we all know, these things even out, right?
General consensus is that the best driver became champion. (for now).
And our studio panel of course pretty baffled by the Mercedes tactics to keep Lewis out that long on one set of tires. [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 7:55]
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LH was keeping comfortably ahead of Verstrapon on that set of tyres and would have won the race by a comfortable 10-12 seconds. Verstrapon has on numerous occasions tried to drive LH off the track this season and on one occasion had it not been for the halo probably would have killed him. He has shown over many years he will push safety beyond the limits. | |
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| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 08:26 - Dec 13 with 3125 views | Phildo |
Changing the rules with one lap to go to make for a TV finish hits the integrity as a sport. You could easily see a breakaway coming from this one decision . Very foolish IMO |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 09:00 - Dec 13 with 3028 views | ParkRoyalR |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 08:10 - Dec 13 by DWQPR |
LH was keeping comfortably ahead of Verstrapon on that set of tyres and would have won the race by a comfortable 10-12 seconds. Verstrapon has on numerous occasions tried to drive LH off the track this season and on one occasion had it not been for the halo probably would have killed him. He has shown over many years he will push safety beyond the limits. |
Watched race yesterday as what they now call a cross-over sports viewer,
What I don't get, is why did Hamilton give him so much space on the inside going into that corner? | | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 09:27 - Dec 13 with 2942 views | Rs_Holy |
not a fan of F1 but got caught up in the 'excitement' of the last 2 races... Never again, that's me done unless they make some fundamental changes. How can anyone thinks that is a satisfactory ending to the season???
I love cycling ...but would go off it very quickly it there was a 'safety bike' every time a crash happened! |  | | |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 09:38 - Dec 13 with 2078 views | RangersDave |
| What a f.....g joke F1 is!! on 09:00 - Dec 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Watched race yesterday as what they now call a cross-over sports viewer,
What I don't get, is why did Hamilton give him so much space on the inside going into that corner? |
He had to mate, remember if Verstrapon took them both off, Strapon would have won.
Max has shown all season (the mating issue, the lunges etc) that he doesnt give a damn, and will go for it, no matter the consequences.
Unfortunately, Lewis either has to be out front with a decent gap, or go head to head with someone with nothing to lose and is very dangerous (in a possible injurious way) / everything to gain from taking an opponent out. Now due to Lewis's prowess, he was able to do so the last 3 races.
Yesterday was 'engineered' by either incompetance or TV, or indeed, both.
Lewis won in my eyes yesterday, and will always be an 8th time winner. Max needs to learn to drive and be aware of the consequences of a big accident, to calm him down. | |
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