| FIFA World Cup thread. 12:02 - Nov 15 with 128624 views | Snipper |
I’m trying to get excited about this World Cup, but to no avail :-((.
I’ve just watched Sky Sports World Cup preview with Gary Neville, Jamie Redknapp, Jamie Carragher & Karen Carney. Utterly depressing viewing. Same old, same old. Picking players for the starting XI not playing for their clubs, or totally off form.
I’m hoping this thread can get the juices flowing.
Do any of you think England have a chance? |  | | |  |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 01:48 - Dec 15 with 1272 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 21:05 - Dec 14 by Toast_R |
Should be a good final I guess. I'm not that fussed who wins, like most world cup finals it comes down to who do I dislike less?
England should have won this tournament. |
A proactive manager may have won it for England: under Southgate absolutely no chance.
If he stays then lump on for a plucky run to the semis of Euro 2024. |  | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 05:46 - Dec 15 with 1210 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 22:18 - Dec 14 by daveB |
I think it's been a pretty good world cup, some really good games, a few shocks and hopefully a good final. I hope we never have another winter one though |
The answer to that my friend will be how much money was made?
You can expect Saudi and Emerati noses to have been put well out of joint and over the course of the next ten years, that part of the world will be awarded an Olympics and another WC. Just look at F1, golf and boxing have moved there.
As for the final, I wouldn’t be surprised if the final was a cautious affair, with the teams overly cautious of the other. Not too bothered who wins.
Having watched excellent decision making from Deschamps in the final 20 minutes last night, I’m in the camp that wonders if the full potential of England will be realised under GS. That France game was there for the taking and thinking Sterling and Mount were the men to do it, was odd. Whomever is England manager for the start of the Euros campaign, needs to be able to better harness the creativity threat posed by Foden and Maddison. I’d also like them to better use Grealish than 80 seconds of a losing match and see if Eze is worth a look. |  |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:13 - Dec 15 with 1153 views | distortR |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 21:22 - Dec 14 by paulparker |
2 of the most luckiest and detestable teams in the competition
Both don’t deserve to be there as both have had corrupt referees all through the tournament giving them favours , well FIFA get their dream final of Messi vs Mpape
For me this goes down as the worst World Cup in history and pretty much ends most of my interest in football anymore |
I'll put you down as a 'maybe'..... [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 7:14]
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:17 - Dec 15 with 1144 views | traininvain |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 21:21 - Dec 14 by daveB |
I hope Argentina win it for Messi but think the French will win. You can see whYySouthgate sets up as he does when you see how France go about things and get to finals. Very dull and hard to beat but with some explosive players in attack who will always win you games. Griezzmann was superb again tonight though |
I thought the same re England/Southgate watching the semi finals. Argentina and France both won with possession at 39%. They were happy to sit back, defend and pick off Croatia/Morocco on the break.
That’s international football at the highest level. I’ve said it before but show me this mythical World Cup or euros winning team that plays ultra attacking football. It just doesn’t happen.
I wonder if Southgate regrets not sticking to his principles and buckling to public pressure to play more on the front foot vs France. Perhaps why he’s considering his position. [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 7:20]
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:21 - Dec 15 with 1138 views | distortR |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 20:55 - Dec 14 by Ranger_Things |
How the fck did that not go in? Have to say Morocco would have smashed England to bits. [Post edited 14 Dec 2022 20:55]
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Ah, you didn't 'have to say' that, you were just on a little fishing trip. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:25 - Dec 15 with 1131 views | distortR |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:17 - Dec 15 by traininvain |
I thought the same re England/Southgate watching the semi finals. Argentina and France both won with possession at 39%. They were happy to sit back, defend and pick off Croatia/Morocco on the break.
That’s international football at the highest level. I’ve said it before but show me this mythical World Cup or euros winning team that plays ultra attacking football. It just doesn’t happen.
I wonder if Southgate regrets not sticking to his principles and buckling to public pressure to play more on the front foot vs France. Perhaps why he’s considering his position. [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 7:20]
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Or maybe he knows he doesn't quite know how to change a game at the highest level. We watched Holland go all in and throw on the big boys against Argentina to snatch a draw, and I don't think Southgate would be doing that as he would be too worried about the team structure if they did equalise. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:57 - Dec 15 with 1093 views | traininvain |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:25 - Dec 15 by distortR |
Or maybe he knows he doesn't quite know how to change a game at the highest level. We watched Holland go all in and throw on the big boys against Argentina to snatch a draw, and I don't think Southgate would be doing that as he would be too worried about the team structure if they did equalise. |
Possibly. I thought Southgate was a bit unlucky vs France. If Kane scores the second penalty and England go on to win then people would be congratulating him for bringing Mount on to win the penalty with his pressing. Such fine margins.
Holland were forced to go direct vs Argentina due to Van Gaal’s overly negative tactics and they still lost. I don’t think we can accuse Southgate of being too negative vs France. But the way the game played out didn’t help. England were on top during the second half at 1-1 until France got a late goal which made it difficult for Southgate to make changes as who do you take off while we’re on top without disrupting the balance.
For what it’s worth, I would agree that once England went behind his changes could’ve been better but one of his subs did win a penalty. I didn’t agree with replacing Saka as France couldn’t handle him. Rashford and Sterling vs a deep French defence was also a bit strange. Could’ve done with the guile of Grealish or Maddison. But again, if Kane scores the second penalty we might not be having this conversation and not much Southgate can do about that moment. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 08:10 - Dec 15 with 1078 views | daveB |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 05:46 - Dec 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
The answer to that my friend will be how much money was made?
You can expect Saudi and Emerati noses to have been put well out of joint and over the course of the next ten years, that part of the world will be awarded an Olympics and another WC. Just look at F1, golf and boxing have moved there.
As for the final, I wouldn’t be surprised if the final was a cautious affair, with the teams overly cautious of the other. Not too bothered who wins.
Having watched excellent decision making from Deschamps in the final 20 minutes last night, I’m in the camp that wonders if the full potential of England will be realised under GS. That France game was there for the taking and thinking Sterling and Mount were the men to do it, was odd. Whomever is England manager for the start of the Euros campaign, needs to be able to better harness the creativity threat posed by Foden and Maddison. I’d also like them to better use Grealish than 80 seconds of a losing match and see if Eze is worth a look. |
It does seem that in the big games when the tide starts to turn he's not able to wrestle it back although last weekend if Kane scored that penalty we may have felt differently. Who knows.
The Grealish change was only due to Stones being injured, I don't think he expected him to have an impact in that time other than to maybe win a free kick
The change by Dechamps to bring on Thuram worked really well last night although Morocco really should have scored ast least one of those chances, I doubt England would have got away with some of that defending.
It's another international tournament where the most pragmatic sides have got to the final, you can certainly see why Southgate has tried to play that way and had sucsess doing it, almost a different sport to elite club football |  | | |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 09:39 - Dec 15 with 996 views | NorthantsHoop |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 08:10 - Dec 15 by daveB |
It does seem that in the big games when the tide starts to turn he's not able to wrestle it back although last weekend if Kane scored that penalty we may have felt differently. Who knows.
The Grealish change was only due to Stones being injured, I don't think he expected him to have an impact in that time other than to maybe win a free kick
The change by Dechamps to bring on Thuram worked really well last night although Morocco really should have scored ast least one of those chances, I doubt England would have got away with some of that defending.
It's another international tournament where the most pragmatic sides have got to the final, you can certainly see why Southgate has tried to play that way and had sucsess doing it, almost a different sport to elite club football |
France were able to step up a gear with their substitutions, thought Morocco gave them a game in the 2nd half, just did not have quality where it counted in front of goal. Mbappe pure class for French 2nd goal. As for England always going to difficult going behind to France and so it proved, if we had gone ahead early think we would have won it. Southgate wasted Maddison not giving him a go in knockout stages. |  | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 09:39 - Dec 15 with 996 views | Toast_R |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 08:10 - Dec 15 by daveB |
It does seem that in the big games when the tide starts to turn he's not able to wrestle it back although last weekend if Kane scored that penalty we may have felt differently. Who knows.
The Grealish change was only due to Stones being injured, I don't think he expected him to have an impact in that time other than to maybe win a free kick
The change by Dechamps to bring on Thuram worked really well last night although Morocco really should have scored ast least one of those chances, I doubt England would have got away with some of that defending.
It's another international tournament where the most pragmatic sides have got to the final, you can certainly see why Southgate has tried to play that way and had sucsess doing it, almost a different sport to elite club football |
I agree, you see it all the time, one of the finalists plays boring stifling football which is why it's rare that the final is a classic and is more often than not, the worst game of the tournament.
(West) Germany got to finals is 82, 86 and 2002 without being that great (2002 they were shocking) and when they were good to watch in 1990 and 2014, they played a dire Argentina team who tried to stifle the game, it still irks me how Argentina made the 1990 final, they were so average.
Italy another team, 1994 and 2006; a boring watch both years but difficult to beat.
France in 98 were lucky and had an easy run and in the final, Brazill didn't fancy it.
Spain just bored everyone in 2010, it was different but not that entertaining once the novelty wore off. [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 9:40]
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:43 - Dec 15 with 936 views | TheChef |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 20:55 - Dec 14 by Ranger_Things |
How the fck did that not go in? Have to say Morocco would have smashed England to bits. [Post edited 14 Dec 2022 20:55]
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Oh I dunno - they were great to watch last night, had a really good go, but they could have played all night and not scored. Final ball was consistently awful, and that number 9 who came on was sub-Championship standard.
France are a good side, rather than being brilliant they have just been consistently effective and made the key moments count in each match. Quite annoying really.
Will be an interesting final. |  |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:49 - Dec 15 with 926 views | Juzzie |
If Southgate does step down there's plenty of candidates to choose from across social media. |  | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:54 - Dec 15 with 887 views | TheChef |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:57 - Dec 15 by traininvain |
Possibly. I thought Southgate was a bit unlucky vs France. If Kane scores the second penalty and England go on to win then people would be congratulating him for bringing Mount on to win the penalty with his pressing. Such fine margins.
Holland were forced to go direct vs Argentina due to Van Gaal’s overly negative tactics and they still lost. I don’t think we can accuse Southgate of being too negative vs France. But the way the game played out didn’t help. England were on top during the second half at 1-1 until France got a late goal which made it difficult for Southgate to make changes as who do you take off while we’re on top without disrupting the balance.
For what it’s worth, I would agree that once England went behind his changes could’ve been better but one of his subs did win a penalty. I didn’t agree with replacing Saka as France couldn’t handle him. Rashford and Sterling vs a deep French defence was also a bit strange. Could’ve done with the guile of Grealish or Maddison. But again, if Kane scores the second penalty we might not be having this conversation and not much Southgate can do about that moment. |
I couldn't recall but checking back, Southgate made the subs right after Giroud scored; so being reactive rather than proactive as he tends to be.
Still don't know why Saka went off, and why based on form Rashford didn't come on for him. | |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:58 - Dec 15 with 877 views | TheChef |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:49 - Dec 15 by Juzzie |
If Southgate does step down there's plenty of candidates to choose from across social media. |
LOLZ.
I don't mind if Southgate stays on if he can learn from his mistakes (although I do wonder if he can...), it really is a great set of players so you wonder if someone else can do better with them; but then who would that person be? | |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:07 - Dec 15 with 865 views | traininvain |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:49 - Dec 15 by Juzzie |
If Southgate does step down there's plenty of candidates to choose from across social media. |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:09 - Dec 15 with 859 views | traininvain |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:54 - Dec 15 by TheChef |
I couldn't recall but checking back, Southgate made the subs right after Giroud scored; so being reactive rather than proactive as he tends to be.
Still don't know why Saka went off, and why based on form Rashford didn't come on for him. |
But England looked the more likely to score up until the few mins before Giroud got the winner. It’s easy to say with hindsight that Southgate should’ve made subs before France got the second but I doubt many of us would’ve said so at the time. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:14 - Dec 15 with 850 views | daveB |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:54 - Dec 15 by TheChef |
I couldn't recall but checking back, Southgate made the subs right after Giroud scored; so being reactive rather than proactive as he tends to be.
Still don't know why Saka went off, and why based on form Rashford didn't come on for him. |
They were about to come on before they scored, they waited as France had a corner | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:18 - Dec 15 with 843 views | daveB |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:07 - Dec 15 by traininvain |
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He really is a prick calling for a fellow manager to resign. I completly get why people think he should go but so unproffessional from that prat, no class whatsoever [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 11:21]
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:20 - Dec 15 with 1427 views | Juzzie |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:18 - Dec 15 by daveB |
He really is a prick calling for a fellow manager to resign. I completly get why people think he should go but so unproffessional from that prat, no class whatsoever [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 11:21]
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Added to the fact the Euro's were not at 'home'. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:28 - Dec 15 with 1412 views | TheChef |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:14 - Dec 15 by daveB |
They were about to come on before they scored, they waited as France had a corner |
Ah I see.
But anyway still not sure why Saka came off unless he was tired or had a knock. | |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:42 - Dec 15 with 1380 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:20 - Dec 15 by Juzzie |
Added to the fact the Euro's were not at 'home'. |
Yes it was bang out of order we had to play one of our seven games away from Wembley on neutral territory. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 12:02 - Dec 15 with 1339 views | daveB |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 11:28 - Dec 15 by TheChef |
Ah I see.
But anyway still not sure why Saka came off unless he was tired or had a knock. |
yeah I thought that was an odd one, he was really good on Saturday | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 12:26 - Dec 15 with 1313 views | Snipper |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 07:17 - Dec 15 by traininvain |
I thought the same re England/Southgate watching the semi finals. Argentina and France both won with possession at 39%. They were happy to sit back, defend and pick off Croatia/Morocco on the break.
That’s international football at the highest level. I’ve said it before but show me this mythical World Cup or euros winning team that plays ultra attacking football. It just doesn’t happen.
I wonder if Southgate regrets not sticking to his principles and buckling to public pressure to play more on the front foot vs France. Perhaps why he’s considering his position. [Post edited 15 Dec 2022 7:20]
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Southgate played exactly like that in the Euro’s.
It was boring negative football. Why he didn’t go for the jugular in the final after going 1 up vs an ageing Italian defence is a bloody disgrace.
I hope he resigns. | | | |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 12:58 - Dec 15 with 1254 views | hubble |
I hope Southgate resigns too. He's obviously a personable guy who the players can relate to, which is all well and good, but when it comes to tactics and decisions in the heat of battle, he always seems to get it wrong and his tenure is now littered with missed opportunities, some of them golden, i.e. the Euros final and arguably the semi-final in 2018. France in the quarters this time round was always a tough ask, so I don't specifically blame him for losing that, but I think he's already peaked with this squad. It's no coincidence that managing Middlesbrough and relegating them in his third season was his former main managerial achievement. As manager of the England under-21s they finished bottom of their group in Euros.
I've heard it rumoured that both Poch and Tuchel are interested. Now those are proper managers. |  |
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| FIFA World Cup thread. on 13:23 - Dec 15 with 1238 views | ManinBlack |
| FIFA World Cup thread. on 10:43 - Dec 15 by TheChef |
Oh I dunno - they were great to watch last night, had a really good go, but they could have played all night and not scored. Final ball was consistently awful, and that number 9 who came on was sub-Championship standard.
France are a good side, rather than being brilliant they have just been consistently effective and made the key moments count in each match. Quite annoying really.
Will be an interesting final. |
This is why England missed a great opportunity in that you would not expect to meet Morocco in a semi final. They lacked quality up front so I believe England would have won last night to reach the final with the better quality.
We have to remember France are without five first teamers so a more cautious approach is understandable. Despite this they have still reached the final. As good as Giroud is I believe Benzema is better. His goals won the Champions League for a not great Real Madrid so France losing his goalscoring ability for Qatar was a big blow. There is no doubt Deschamps is a good manager for tournament football.
I recall France beat Argentina 4-3 in the last World Cup but I can't imagine the final will be anywhere near as good. |  | | |
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