| Kelman? 16:40 - Jan 30 with 12720 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I know there have been a couple of threads about Charlie Kelman, but I was just wondering what everyone thought will/should happen at the end of the season?
I think his contract expires in the summer. Does he deserve another go with us or has that ship sailed?
I'd like him to be given another chance. |  | | |  |
| Kelman? on 17:32 - Jan 31 with 4240 views | TheChef |
Glad he's doing well but he's clearly League One level at best. |  |
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| Kelman? on 18:26 - Jan 31 with 4132 views | derbyhoop |
| Kelman? on 17:32 - Jan 31 by TheChef |
Glad he's doing well but he's clearly League One level at best. |
Clearly?
Who's watched Orient this season, apart from EFL highlights. |  |
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| Kelman? on 18:40 - Jan 31 with 4084 views | aston_hoop |
I just can't believe that a player who turned 23 in November and is thriving in League 1 is definitely League 1 at best. He'll have more developing to do before he reaches his peak and it sounds like that is going fine. Orient turned one of their 6 loan players into a permanent today and it wasn't Kelman, so that is something. |  |
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| Kelman? on 19:04 - Jan 31 with 4013 views | Stainrod |
| Kelman? on 18:40 - Jan 31 by aston_hoop |
I just can't believe that a player who turned 23 in November and is thriving in League 1 is definitely League 1 at best. He'll have more developing to do before he reaches his peak and it sounds like that is going fine. Orient turned one of their 6 loan players into a permanent today and it wasn't Kelman, so that is something. |
How old is Kelman v how old is Kohli? Yet the latter arguably more accomplished already. Maybe he has transformed at Orient but was completely ineffective for us. Nourry clear players have to at least be knocking on the first team door a lot earlier than Kelman has. | | | |
| Kelman? on 19:06 - Jan 31 with 4005 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Kelman? on 17:32 - Jan 31 by TheChef |
Glad he's doing well but he's clearly League One level at best. |
The LFW Glossary klaxon brought me to this thread. | | | |
| Kelman? on 19:16 - Jan 31 with 3981 views | aston_hoop |
| Kelman? on 19:04 - Jan 31 by Stainrod |
How old is Kelman v how old is Kohli? Yet the latter arguably more accomplished already. Maybe he has transformed at Orient but was completely ineffective for us. Nourry clear players have to at least be knocking on the first team door a lot earlier than Kelman has. |
I don't think age has to come into it, but yeah you are totally right about Nourry and the fact that for him it is important. Still, worst comes to the worst we can try and tie down Kelman knowing a League 1 club might spend, Huddersfield recent spending cash and Wycombe will have money to burn and the need for a striker soon too! | |
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| Kelman? on 10:31 - Feb 1 with 3659 views | Esox_Lucius |
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| Kelman? on 11:52 - Feb 1 with 3540 views | LazyFan |
| Kelman? on 17:11 - Jan 31 by GaryHaddock |
Not saying I’d have him back, but we were speaking of Smyth in the same negative terms not so long ago.
Now he’s a fulcrum to our attack. Players have pulled out of the shit before. Just rarely happens to us so it’s a novel experience. [Post edited 31 Jan 17:12]
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I always said Smyth was decent and should never have been let go.
He has improved under Marti, but Marti has let Kelman go out on loan. And then Marti has decided not to loan Kolli and so far Lloyd go out on Loan, which means they are above Kelman and younger; that should tell you a lot.
We should sell Kelman for £2m in summer and this would mean we would not have to sell any of our other assets for another season as we have to sell every season. |  |
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| Kelman? on 23:26 - Feb 1 with 3260 views | NW5Hoop |
I went to see Orient today. They didn't play well – lost at home to Stockport. And Kelman did not look good. Seemed slow and fat. Didn't dominate in the air. Had a couple of chances. His best moment was, I suspect, entirely by accident. We're not getting any kind of fee for him. | | | |
| Kelman? on 07:58 - Feb 2 with 3067 views | Gus_iom |
| Kelman? on 11:52 - Feb 1 by LazyFan |
I always said Smyth was decent and should never have been let go.
He has improved under Marti, but Marti has let Kelman go out on loan. And then Marti has decided not to loan Kolli and so far Lloyd go out on Loan, which means they are above Kelman and younger; that should tell you a lot.
We should sell Kelman for £2m in summer and this would mean we would not have to sell any of our other assets for another season as we have to sell every season. |
"I don't care if we don't own him anymore, you're paying us what we randomly decide hes worth, and that's that". | |
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| Kelman? on 13:01 - May 5 with 2196 views | ed_83 |
Bumping this thread in the light of Kelman topping the League One goalscoring charts. What do people reckon we should do with him next season?
If we'd signed the best striker in League One at 23 years old on a free transfer - which is essentially what's happening with him coming back to us post-loan - then I suspect we'd all be thinking "that's a great bit of business, exactly the sort of signing we should be making, let's give him a run in the first team and see how he adjusts to the Championship."
I know he didn't exactly set the world alight for us previously, and I've only seen brief clips of his time at Orient, but his stats suggest he's kicked on massively this season. Surely he's worth a punt, given our other striking options? Or do we cash out now, assuming Orient might try and sign him permanently? | | | |
| Kelman? on 13:15 - May 5 with 2078 views | gazza1 |
I met a person a couple of months ago who is a Orient season ticket holder and follows them away as well, so he has seen a lot of Kelman this season. He seemed to know his football. He was not overly impressed by him despite his excellent goalscoring record this season.
Likewise I have seen him in an R's shirt a few times and it is only a few times but I, too, am not impressed by his play. I think he has been pretty poor when he has played for us.
In saying the above, perhaps we should give him another chance here, he possibly deserves it but I do not think that he will be anywhere good enough for regular Championship football. | | | |
| Kelman? on 13:21 - May 5 with 2043 views | Petros |
| Kelman? on 13:01 - May 5 by ed_83 |
Bumping this thread in the light of Kelman topping the League One goalscoring charts. What do people reckon we should do with him next season?
If we'd signed the best striker in League One at 23 years old on a free transfer - which is essentially what's happening with him coming back to us post-loan - then I suspect we'd all be thinking "that's a great bit of business, exactly the sort of signing we should be making, let's give him a run in the first team and see how he adjusts to the Championship."
I know he didn't exactly set the world alight for us previously, and I've only seen brief clips of his time at Orient, but his stats suggest he's kicked on massively this season. Surely he's worth a punt, given our other striking options? Or do we cash out now, assuming Orient might try and sign him permanently? |
Would be bizarre if we didn’t give him a try surely? | | | |
| Kelman? on 13:37 - May 5 with 1998 views | BklynRanger |
| Kelman? on 13:21 - May 5 by Petros |
Would be bizarre if we didn’t give him a try surely? |
Without reading the whole thread, and yes he hasn't set the world alight previously with us, I think it would be very QPR of us to NOT bring Kelman back.
21 league goals in 46 league games. Shirley we have to get him back for preseason and see what we can get out of him. His confidence has to be high and if the quality still isn't there we can offload him back to League 1 at Xmas. |  | | |
| Kelman? on 14:47 - May 5 with 1787 views | PeterHucker |
Imagine he wasn't already our player.
If we were about to sign the top goalscorer in League 1 on a free, we'd all be delighted.
So many times I hear QPR fans saying this player or that player needs to go on loan in a lower division & get more experience.
Kelman has done that & he's been a success so get him back here & put him in the squad next season. As has been said many times, we are not exactly blessed with much else up front. |  | | |
| Kelman? on 14:56 - May 5 with 1728 views | LazyFan |
Play him up until August, and then, if he is no good, sell him while his stock is still high.
We often criticise when loan players don't tear up trees. Well, he has done that and therefore deserves his chance.
I don't think he will make it and I would be okay if we sold him in the summer like we did Armstrong. Some silly club would pay £2m for him. And with that we can with another million open up chances to get another striker from elsewhere.
Remember Stuart Wardley?
He had a great season at Champ level, scoring loads of goals, but everyone knew he was not good enough. He was just a one-season wonder. Not forgetting Dave as well who scored loads for us in a season. Doing it once, is great but the real test is if you can do it again and again.
Best to sell these types of players while they are on a golden streak and their stock is high for maximum profit. Those monies, as others have said, means we don't have to sell prize assets like Chair and errr ... well it's just Chair really isn't it. | |
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| Kelman? on 20:22 - May 5 with 1492 views | enfieldargh |
| Kelman? on 14:56 - May 5 by LazyFan |
Play him up until August, and then, if he is no good, sell him while his stock is still high.
We often criticise when loan players don't tear up trees. Well, he has done that and therefore deserves his chance.
I don't think he will make it and I would be okay if we sold him in the summer like we did Armstrong. Some silly club would pay £2m for him. And with that we can with another million open up chances to get another striker from elsewhere.
Remember Stuart Wardley?
He had a great season at Champ level, scoring loads of goals, but everyone knew he was not good enough. He was just a one-season wonder. Not forgetting Dave as well who scored loads for us in a season. Doing it once, is great but the real test is if you can do it again and again.
Best to sell these types of players while they are on a golden streak and their stock is high for maximum profit. Those monies, as others have said, means we don't have to sell prize assets like Chair and errr ... well it's just Chair really isn't it. |
problem with our play(last season) is we dont create enough chances for any striker, for Kelman to shine. we need to have more attacks like we did for our goal V Sunderland. Pissing about at the back and not advancing the ball is no good for Kelman, Rush, Haaland or any hotshot striker |  |
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| Kelman? on 20:27 - May 5 with 1478 views | Rsole |
#announcekelman
(Jim White says he’s been seen outside the ground and he doesn’t drink anymore). |  |
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| Kelman? on 20:36 - May 5 with 1426 views | eastside_r |
| Kelman? on 13:15 - May 5 by gazza1 |
I met a person a couple of months ago who is a Orient season ticket holder and follows them away as well, so he has seen a lot of Kelman this season. He seemed to know his football. He was not overly impressed by him despite his excellent goalscoring record this season.
Likewise I have seen him in an R's shirt a few times and it is only a few times but I, too, am not impressed by his play. I think he has been pretty poor when he has played for us.
In saying the above, perhaps we should give him another chance here, he possibly deserves it but I do not think that he will be anywhere good enough for regular Championship football. |
So basically confirming your expert view on the matter.  |  | | |
| Kelman? on 20:42 - May 5 with 1381 views | baz_qpr |
Kelman is the same age as Alfie Lloyd. I've seen a few Orient games on the box, In some he has been excellent and others a little bit anonymous. He does a lot outside of the box, seems a good passer, reminds me a bit of Gallen but he is also very similar to Celar but seems to work harder. Time will tell but he has earned his opportunity |  | | |
| Kelman? on 20:51 - May 5 with 1320 views | Rsole |
| Kelman? on 20:42 - May 5 by baz_qpr |
Kelman is the same age as Alfie Lloyd. I've seen a few Orient games on the box, In some he has been excellent and others a little bit anonymous. He does a lot outside of the box, seems a good passer, reminds me a bit of Gallen but he is also very similar to Celar but seems to work harder. Time will tell but he has earned his opportunity |
Can we combine them in the same pantomime horse outfit, as one player ?
That could be a do as you likey, championship first.
I’d pay to watch it. | |
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| Kelman? on 21:25 - May 5 with 1183 views | aston_hoop |
Players player of the season at Orient
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| Kelman? on 23:21 - May 5 with 997 views | numptydumpty |
| Kelman? on 13:15 - May 5 by gazza1 |
I met a person a couple of months ago who is a Orient season ticket holder and follows them away as well, so he has seen a lot of Kelman this season. He seemed to know his football. He was not overly impressed by him despite his excellent goalscoring record this season.
Likewise I have seen him in an R's shirt a few times and it is only a few times but I, too, am not impressed by his play. I think he has been pretty poor when he has played for us.
In saying the above, perhaps we should give him another chance here, he possibly deserves it but I do not think that he will be anywhere good enough for regular Championship football. |
And that my friend is why you are a poster on a football forum and not involved professionally in the game of football we love to hate...
If we didn't give the guy a chance, it would send a dreadful message to any future players we loan out for match day experience.
If he is sold on without being given a run out for Rangers, I personally would suspect foul play or borderline insanity !! |  |
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| Kelman? on 09:26 - May 6 with 679 views | gazza1 |
| Kelman? on 23:21 - May 5 by numptydumpty |
And that my friend is why you are a poster on a football forum and not involved professionally in the game of football we love to hate...
If we didn't give the guy a chance, it would send a dreadful message to any future players we loan out for match day experience.
If he is sold on without being given a run out for Rangers, I personally would suspect foul play or borderline insanity !! |
What you on about Numpty?? What do you dislike in my post??
I thought it was pretty fair. | | | |
| Kelman? on 09:40 - May 6 with 612 views | SydneyRs |
| Kelman? on 14:56 - May 5 by LazyFan |
Play him up until August, and then, if he is no good, sell him while his stock is still high.
We often criticise when loan players don't tear up trees. Well, he has done that and therefore deserves his chance.
I don't think he will make it and I would be okay if we sold him in the summer like we did Armstrong. Some silly club would pay £2m for him. And with that we can with another million open up chances to get another striker from elsewhere.
Remember Stuart Wardley?
He had a great season at Champ level, scoring loads of goals, but everyone knew he was not good enough. He was just a one-season wonder. Not forgetting Dave as well who scored loads for us in a season. Doing it once, is great but the real test is if you can do it again and again.
Best to sell these types of players while they are on a golden streak and their stock is high for maximum profit. Those monies, as others have said, means we don't have to sell prize assets like Chair and errr ... well it's just Chair really isn't it. |
I remember this bloke called Sheron. Had one great season then some dumb club went and splashed over 2 million on him, with predictable results. | | | |
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