| FA Trophy semi on 19:45 - Apr 5 with 2404 views | Cedar_Room |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:42 - Apr 5 by dingdangblue |
Is there any point even trying to reach the play offs? I think today has shown us we are no where near winning them. |
Exactly this. We’ll be out after the first game as we put in another gutless performance when the pressure is on. I can’t see any other outcome meaning McNulty has to go at the end of the season. If you can’t get the team to turn up for the games that matter we can’t ever hope to gain promotion. |  | |  |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:50 - Apr 5 with 2328 views | frequency |
I took my 7 year old grandson for the 1st time today his exact words was why do they keep passing side to side and dont shoot, says it all |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:52 - Apr 5 with 2282 views | Rodingdale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:36 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Nope, that wouldn’t be my team talk. I’d certainly say that at half time they’d need to improve as it wasn’t good enough (again, see previous posts). They did improve and should have won.
As anyone watching will testify.
Questions:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
Happy to admit to being wrong if either are shown to be true. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:37]
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You’ve said a few times that our going out today was nothing to do with the first half. I think it has everything to do with it. So do a lot of other people.
You like to quote the odd win as a counter to everything that’s wrong with Jim’s tenure. It’s at odds, increasingly with the views of fans, fans I talk to at away games around the country, I listen to the views of commentators. Dale are rather nice to play against if you do your homework, if you want it more, show more determination. But you continually take a stance at odds with what I hear. The old, ‘you only post when we perform poorly’ gets wheeled out. So forgive the shorthand, but the way I see it, you defend, what in the light of the evidence, is indefensible.
I’ll re crunch the figures on Jim’s performance at some point next week, I suspect it will show, Jim’s teams perform consistently - inconsistently.
Getting into the play offs will extend our season, and potentially delay our rebuilding for next season. The Ogdens need to get a grip and realise that either Jim isn’t the man for the job, or appoint a Director of football - now, to advise on recruitment, style of player, coaching. |  | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:54 - Apr 5 with 2257 views | nordenblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:36 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Nope, that wouldn’t be my team talk. I’d certainly say that at half time they’d need to improve as it wasn’t good enough (again, see previous posts). They did improve and should have won.
As anyone watching will testify.
Questions:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
Happy to admit to being wrong if either are shown to be true. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:37]
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I'd probably read the room 442, you can dissect my post and the wording used all you like, or anyone elses, the end result of todays efforts are an absolute shambles and its the culmination of one man's work, Jim did well to steady the ship in very choppy waters and he's clearly a decent fella to that theres no debating at all, but the facts are it's simply not good enough, he's simply not good enough. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:56]
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:01 - Apr 5 with 2177 views | Clivert |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:07 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
We played many more worse teams than Spennymoor in the 80s and 90s. It’s just that they had names of Football League clubs. |
Spennymoor turned up just for penalties today, at least the FCUM embarrassment saw them have a go at us and then have another go at us after we'd made it 2-2.
I know that you are Dale through and through but you are embarrassing yourself on here now. [Post edited 5 Apr 20:03]
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:02 - Apr 5 with 2157 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:52 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
You’ve said a few times that our going out today was nothing to do with the first half. I think it has everything to do with it. So do a lot of other people.
You like to quote the odd win as a counter to everything that’s wrong with Jim’s tenure. It’s at odds, increasingly with the views of fans, fans I talk to at away games around the country, I listen to the views of commentators. Dale are rather nice to play against if you do your homework, if you want it more, show more determination. But you continually take a stance at odds with what I hear. The old, ‘you only post when we perform poorly’ gets wheeled out. So forgive the shorthand, but the way I see it, you defend, what in the light of the evidence, is indefensible.
I’ll re crunch the figures on Jim’s performance at some point next week, I suspect it will show, Jim’s teams perform consistently - inconsistently.
Getting into the play offs will extend our season, and potentially delay our rebuilding for next season. The Ogdens need to get a grip and realise that either Jim isn’t the man for the job, or appoint a Director of football - now, to advise on recruitment, style of player, coaching. |
Having been at the game, seeing how we played, and seeing how we took a lead that we should have extended, yes I believe that the first half was not what why we lost.
Anything else is merely an opinion in the other direction. Which I accept.
I don’t counter the “odd win” as a counter. More that the facts (in the play off zone at present and the semis of the Trophy) indicate that his team have done quite well. I believe they should have done better. Again, only an opinion. Part of which is my opinion that our inconsistency, which recruitment has played a big part, is the manager’s biggest issue that he has failed to address.
I post when we play badly, the evidence is there, I post when we play well. Where have I said directly to you “you only post when we play poorly”?
When people say that I defend the indefensible, that I’m a McNulty “apologist” or anything of similar ilk there is a total disregard for my criticism (as seen in this thread) and a lack of substance when I ask for examples when accused of that.
Questions 1 and 2 remain unanswered so far. |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:04 - Apr 5 with 2126 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:01 - Apr 5 by Clivert |
Spennymoor turned up just for penalties today, at least the FCUM embarrassment saw them have a go at us and then have another go at us after we'd made it 2-2.
I know that you are Dale through and through but you are embarrassing yourself on here now. [Post edited 5 Apr 20:03]
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How?
Two more minutes and this whole thread would be different. And I accept why it isn’t because it’s a results business.
I also remember the reaction when we went out to FC United. A team four divisions below us. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:05 - Apr 5 with 2100 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:50 - Apr 5 by frequency |
I took my 7 year old grandson for the 1st time today his exact words was why do they keep passing side to side and dont shoot, says it all |
He certainly knows his stuff! | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:08 - Apr 5 with 2051 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:54 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
I'd probably read the room 442, you can dissect my post and the wording used all you like, or anyone elses, the end result of todays efforts are an absolute shambles and its the culmination of one man's work, Jim did well to steady the ship in very choppy waters and he's clearly a decent fella to that theres no debating at all, but the facts are it's simply not good enough, he's simply not good enough. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:56]
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I’ll only dissect when people are dissecting mine incorrectly and without properly acknowledging my points.
Or should I just accept it? | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:14 - Apr 5 with 2002 views | Rodingdale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:02 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Having been at the game, seeing how we played, and seeing how we took a lead that we should have extended, yes I believe that the first half was not what why we lost.
Anything else is merely an opinion in the other direction. Which I accept.
I don’t counter the “odd win” as a counter. More that the facts (in the play off zone at present and the semis of the Trophy) indicate that his team have done quite well. I believe they should have done better. Again, only an opinion. Part of which is my opinion that our inconsistency, which recruitment has played a big part, is the manager’s biggest issue that he has failed to address.
I post when we play badly, the evidence is there, I post when we play well. Where have I said directly to you “you only post when we play poorly”?
When people say that I defend the indefensible, that I’m a McNulty “apologist” or anything of similar ilk there is a total disregard for my criticism (as seen in this thread) and a lack of substance when I ask for examples when accused of that.
Questions 1 and 2 remain unanswered so far. |
I’ve answered your questions. Accept them or not. That’s fine. We see things differently, that’s fine. I don’t have any desire to be right, I’d love McNulty to demonstrate that my scepticism is misplaced, disappointingly he continues to fuel my scepticism.
Up the Dale eh. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:20 - Apr 5 with 1931 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:14 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
I’ve answered your questions. Accept them or not. That’s fine. We see things differently, that’s fine. I don’t have any desire to be right, I’d love McNulty to demonstrate that my scepticism is misplaced, disappointingly he continues to fuel my scepticism.
Up the Dale eh. |
The questions were:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
So in the absence of answers… 1) I haven’t. 2) there are plenty of quotes that can be provided where I haven’t defended the indefensible, but still happy to see those where I have.
I agree in having no desire to be right, and my opinion is the same as it was a month or so ago, that the manager is in real trouble if he doesn’t get results. At this stage it’s with 7 games left. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:30 - Apr 5 with 1830 views | Rodingdale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:20 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
The questions were:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
So in the absence of answers… 1) I haven’t. 2) there are plenty of quotes that can be provided where I haven’t defended the indefensible, but still happy to see those where I have.
I agree in having no desire to be right, and my opinion is the same as it was a month or so ago, that the manager is in real trouble if he doesn’t get results. At this stage it’s with 7 games left. |
Read my answers, and the room.
There will be a lot of defending to do on and off the pitch after today’s debacle. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:32 - Apr 5 with 1816 views | nordenblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:04 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
How?
Two more minutes and this whole thread would be different. And I accept why it isn’t because it’s a results business.
I also remember the reaction when we went out to FC United. A team four divisions below us. |
You're failing to acknowledge we've had around 94 minutes prior to their equaliser to gain sufficient control of a game whilst playing against a part time lower league team at home it should very much be a given, which inturn eradicates any need for just "two more minutes". Its pretty much not to worry we went in 0.0 so half the match doesnt even matter, | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:36 - Apr 5 with 1764 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:32 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
You're failing to acknowledge we've had around 94 minutes prior to their equaliser to gain sufficient control of a game whilst playing against a part time lower league team at home it should very much be a given, which inturn eradicates any need for just "two more minutes". Its pretty much not to worry we went in 0.0 so half the match doesnt even matter, |
Nope. Acknowledged we were poor first half and should have stamped our authority on the game. Also noted that we should have made much more of the chances we had to finish the game at 2-1 up. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:37 - Apr 5 with 1763 views | since58 |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:25 - Apr 5 by bluevein64 |
Well done 58 - there's no denying that you're a top Dale supporter and that you've been attending game for 58 years, I'm not sure the reason you've afforded that information however, that doesn't prevent you from being somewhat of a hot head as your response suggests, you've asked if I'm for real, I am but REAListic Dale isn't, that the point I was attempting to make when you gobbled up the bait ! |
Get you just so disappointed apoligies.so peed off .living here in Devon can't get to matches anymore so frustrating | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:38 - Apr 5 with 1749 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:30 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
Read my answers, and the room.
There will be a lot of defending to do on and off the pitch after today’s debacle. |
I read them, hence the reply.
My biggest worry after today is how we respond. Seeing McNulty’s interview, I’m even more despondent. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:39 - Apr 5 with 1745 views | Clivert |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:04 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
How?
Two more minutes and this whole thread would be different. And I accept why it isn’t because it’s a results business.
I also remember the reaction when we went out to FC United. A team four divisions below us. |
You are missing the point.
Yes, if we would have held on for those 90seconds then we would have been going to Wembley but it wouldn't have covered up a really poor performance against a part time team who came for penalties 🤷🤷.
Stop trying to defend this shite. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:40 - Apr 5 with 1735 views | DaleFan7 |
The fact we were 2 minutes away is a moot point. The game is played until the referee blows the final whistle, not 2 minutes before it. We weren't good enough to beat a part time side a division below us at home either in 90 minutes plus added time of normal play nor kicking the ball from 18 yards away.
Too many times we've let leads slip this season because we can't see games out. The buck for that stops with the manager. It wasn't an individual error today, its a systematic problem we have stemming from a manager who can't get us up for important games or games in front of a decent crowd. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:41 - Apr 5 with 1716 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:39 - Apr 5 by Clivert |
You are missing the point.
Yes, if we would have held on for those 90seconds then we would have been going to Wembley but it wouldn't have covered up a really poor performance against a part time team who came for penalties 🤷🤷.
Stop trying to defend this shite. |
I’m not. See the post above.
The facts are, everyone would have felt so much different if we had held out. But we didn’t, and that’s the bit nobody can defend. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:43 - Apr 5 with 1683 views | D_Alien |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:38 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
I read them, hence the reply.
My biggest worry after today is how we respond. Seeing McNulty’s interview, I’m even more despondent. |
What's he saying? (The gist of it)
Apologies in advance, but i find myself unable to watch/listen to him post-match |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:43 - Apr 5 with 1677 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:40 - Apr 5 by DaleFan7 |
The fact we were 2 minutes away is a moot point. The game is played until the referee blows the final whistle, not 2 minutes before it. We weren't good enough to beat a part time side a division below us at home either in 90 minutes plus added time of normal play nor kicking the ball from 18 yards away.
Too many times we've let leads slip this season because we can't see games out. The buck for that stops with the manager. It wasn't an individual error today, its a systematic problem we have stemming from a manager who can't get us up for important games or games in front of a decent crowd. |
Some great points.
Which is why, in a results business, it’s the manager who has to take the responsibility. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:44 - Apr 5 with 1663 views | dingdangblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:32 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
You're failing to acknowledge we've had around 94 minutes prior to their equaliser to gain sufficient control of a game whilst playing against a part time lower league team at home it should very much be a given, which inturn eradicates any need for just "two more minutes". Its pretty much not to worry we went in 0.0 so half the match doesnt even matter, |
I'm pretty much of this view. We wasted 45 minutes not playing when there was a stadium full of expectant people. A massive opportunity wasted. |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:46 - Apr 5 with 1630 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:43 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
What's he saying? (The gist of it)
Apologies in advance, but i find myself unable to watch/listen to him post-match |
He seems completely down after the result.. At this stage, I really fear for our season. Even after a few more favourable results today.
Sounds like the players too have taken a massive hit. Obviously all fans have too. I think today will go down as one of those awful days in the life of a Dale fan. Up there with Stockport and similar cup defeats. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:53 - Apr 5 with 1559 views | D_Alien |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:46 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
He seems completely down after the result.. At this stage, I really fear for our season. Even after a few more favourable results today.
Sounds like the players too have taken a massive hit. Obviously all fans have too. I think today will go down as one of those awful days in the life of a Dale fan. Up there with Stockport and similar cup defeats. |
Thanks
I wonder about his own personal resources
Managers are (of course...) only human, but he's never struck me as someone who can easily shrug off adversity | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 20:53 - Apr 5 with 1557 views | Clivert |
| FA Trophy semi on 20:41 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
I’m not. See the post above.
The facts are, everyone would have felt so much different if we had held out. But we didn’t, and that’s the bit nobody can defend. |
Point missed. | | | |
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