| FA Trophy semi on 18:41 - Apr 5 with 2458 views | 49thseason |
| FA Trophy semi on 17:37 - Apr 5 by SJE_Dale |
Side note - I unfortunately need both hands to count the amount of times I've seen opposition teams celebrate on our pitch. Let down time and time again |
So depressing, so predictable, so unneccessary. No in- game management, a right winger who was obviously unfit from the kick off to the extent that the team wouldn't pass to him but then allowed him to take a sloppy penalty...2-1 up and still playing with 10 effective men, took Henderson off and gave their entire defence a rest when he could have brought on another defender ( EEL) and put Hendo further out on the right.
This club will go nowhere until we get a manager who actually manages. Today has probably cost dozens of ST renewals, and failed to convert 100s of young kids and their parent into supporters... a probable net reduction in future income.
But hey, they clap the moron who chucked the bottles at their keeper and his moron mates at the end , so thats OK then...
These players needed a professional in charge today not someone who treats them like small children |  | |  |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:41 - Apr 5 with 2450 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:32 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
You are boiling the game down to failure to defend a last minute cross. We should never have been in that position. The approach to the first half cost us. Jim McNulty sets us up to play with his philosophy irrespective of the opposing team. |
Having seen the whole game, yes I’m boiling it down to defending a cross. Actually no, I’m also, as noted, critical of our total game management in the last few minutes (Ayinde shot included) . Because that’s what happened.
The game wasn’t lost in the first half. It was 0-0. Those are the facts. |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 18:43 - Apr 5 with 2396 views | D_Alien |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:38 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Funny that, because there was real joy on everyone’s faces around me in the Sandy as we entered injury time. People excitedly talking about Wembley. Two more minutes and it would have been a memorable day to put alongside Darlo, Spurs and many others.
Not sure who is failing to see anything. And I certainly don’t know any unconditional fans. |
The expressions of joy were about getting to Wembley
My point was about growing crowds by playing the kind of football that will entice new fans through the turnstiles (i feel like i'm repeating myself here). Nothing that was on show as we entered added time would do that
Nor would promotion, unless the style of football changes. There's little more to be said until either the manager has a change of heart or is replaced [Post edited 5 Apr 18:45]
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| FA Trophy semi on 18:45 - Apr 5 with 2363 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:43 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
The expressions of joy were about getting to Wembley
My point was about growing crowds by playing the kind of football that will entice new fans through the turnstiles (i feel like i'm repeating myself here). Nothing that was on show as we entered added time would do that
Nor would promotion, unless the style of football changes. There's little more to be said until either the manager has a change of heart or is replaced [Post edited 5 Apr 18:45]
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The style of football seen against Aldershot, Altrincham and Wealdstone in the last month and in the second half today?
I totally agree. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 18:52 - Apr 5 with 2281 views | Rodingdale |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:41 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Having seen the whole game, yes I’m boiling it down to defending a cross. Actually no, I’m also, as noted, critical of our total game management in the last few minutes (Ayinde shot included) . Because that’s what happened.
The game wasn’t lost in the first half. It was 0-0. Those are the facts. |
We should have battered them in the first half instead of doing the predictable tippy tappy which was perfect for Spennymoor as a pressing team. But we don’t cause the opposition problems going forward because of the obsession with possession and recycling. The fact is we were lucky not to be a goal down at half time.
You do know this was a part time team playing in a division below? Did you realise that? |  | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:52 - Apr 5 with 2260 views | D_Alien |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:45 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
The style of football seen against Aldershot, Altrincham and Wealdstone in the last month and in the second half today?
I totally agree. |
I now count myself as one of those occasional fans; perhaps more occasional than some but my point isn't in any way invalidated by the occasional decent performance. In fact, those you've cited just make it all the more obvious that the players are good enough to be doing so much better
Again... the fans we need to see coming in droves just won't be there to witness those games due to the dross that happens more often than not. If the first half was a full game, no new fans would've been left in the ground to see a marginally improved second half display | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:03 - Apr 5 with 2136 views | Clivert |
Spennymoor, this. This is a why I keep on saying that he is the worst Dale manager that I can remember. I watched an U14s team go out and win the game within the firr 15mins this morning, they are now promoted! |  | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:05 - Apr 5 with 2099 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:52 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
I now count myself as one of those occasional fans; perhaps more occasional than some but my point isn't in any way invalidated by the occasional decent performance. In fact, those you've cited just make it all the more obvious that the players are good enough to be doing so much better
Again... the fans we need to see coming in droves just won't be there to witness those games due to the dross that happens more often than not. If the first half was a full game, no new fans would've been left in the ground to see a marginally improved second half display |
As someone who has attended all home games and been frustrated/bored/entertained in equal measure, I’m able to detach my personal feelings and look at the bigger picture for the benefit of the football club. We’ve seen some entertaining games (over half, with today being a great example as another regular commented after their goal today “any neutral who watched that second half would have really enjoyed it” The first half wasn’t a full game, neither is some of the games a whole home season) and some dross.
If we don’t reach the playoffs, the club have a decision to make. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:07 - Apr 5 with 2075 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:03 - Apr 5 by Clivert |
Spennymoor, this. This is a why I keep on saying that he is the worst Dale manager that I can remember. I watched an U14s team go out and win the game within the firr 15mins this morning, they are now promoted! |
We played many more worse teams than Spennymoor in the 80s and 90s. It’s just that they had names of Football League clubs. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:09 - Apr 5 with 2044 views | nordenblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:39 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
So it did happen today?
And in the second half? I’ve already spoken about the first half not being good enough. |
Yep, the whole of the first half, its not a rarity its become far too common, not sure how many more times you want me to say it though, decent sides set up correctly and set the tempo for the match, dominate straight from the kick off, we're nowhere near good enough to just turn up for 45 minutes and expect trips to Wembley, todays game was an absolutely massive opportunity for a trip to Wembley the equivalent to a tap in to an open net, we've spectacularly somehow managed to blaze it over the bar, I'll let everyone else decide who's to blame for that | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:09 - Apr 5 with 2041 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:52 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
We should have battered them in the first half instead of doing the predictable tippy tappy which was perfect for Spennymoor as a pressing team. But we don’t cause the opposition problems going forward because of the obsession with possession and recycling. The fact is we were lucky not to be a goal down at half time.
You do know this was a part time team playing in a division below? Did you realise that? |
Yes I did. And we should have won the game.
Especially as we improved in the second half to the point we missed some glorious opportunities.
Anyone watching will have seen this. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:12 - Apr 5 with 2008 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:09 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
Yep, the whole of the first half, its not a rarity its become far too common, not sure how many more times you want me to say it though, decent sides set up correctly and set the tempo for the match, dominate straight from the kick off, we're nowhere near good enough to just turn up for 45 minutes and expect trips to Wembley, todays game was an absolutely massive opportunity for a trip to Wembley the equivalent to a tap in to an open net, we've spectacularly somehow managed to blaze it over the bar, I'll let everyone else decide who's to blame for that |
And I agreed with the criticism of the first half. It ended 0-0.
We set the tempo second half and took the lead twice and should have won.
The reason we aren’t at Wembley has nothing to do with the first half. And that’s coming from someone who accepts chaos theory. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:12]
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:18 - Apr 5 with 1928 views | nordenblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:41 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Having seen the whole game, yes I’m boiling it down to defending a cross. Actually no, I’m also, as noted, critical of our total game management in the last few minutes (Ayinde shot included) . Because that’s what happened.
The game wasn’t lost in the first half. It was 0-0. Those are the facts. |
It could have been very much won though had we started at the right tempo and scored a couple of goals playing on the front foot before half time. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:20 - Apr 5 with 1905 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:18 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
It could have been very much won though had we started at the right tempo and scored a couple of goals playing on the front foot before half time. |
And we could have been 3-1 up if Allarakhia had buried a simple header or Rodney had shot earlier. We are in agreement again.
Football, eh? | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:23 - Apr 5 with 1861 views | nordenblue |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:12 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
And I agreed with the criticism of the first half. It ended 0-0.
We set the tempo second half and took the lead twice and should have won.
The reason we aren’t at Wembley has nothing to do with the first half. And that’s coming from someone who accepts chaos theory. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:12]
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Maybe if we'd have "set the tempo" first half we'd be out of sight by half time, we won't know because we're still trying to find reason why we think we can just turn up for the last 45 dissecting that and the first half makes zero difference to the outcome of a whole game. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:25 - Apr 5 with 1840 views | bluevein64 |
| FA Trophy semi on 18:30 - Apr 5 by since58 |
Are you for real. If you have been to 5%of the games I have followed dale I would be amazed. Hence 58. Wtf is wrong with you |
Well done 58 - there's no denying that you're a top Dale supporter and that you've been attending game for 58 years, I'm not sure the reason you've afforded that information however, that doesn't prevent you from being somewhat of a hot head as your response suggests, you've asked if I'm for real, I am but REAListic Dale isn't, that the point I was attempting to make when you gobbled up the bait ! |  | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:25 - Apr 5 with 1828 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:23 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
Maybe if we'd have "set the tempo" first half we'd be out of sight by half time, we won't know because we're still trying to find reason why we think we can just turn up for the last 45 dissecting that and the first half makes zero difference to the outcome of a whole game. |
On Tuesday it was the second half. Both are on the manager.
All the rest? That’… that’s chaos theory. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:30 - Apr 5 with 1752 views | Rodingdale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:12 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
And I agreed with the criticism of the first half. It ended 0-0.
We set the tempo second half and took the lead twice and should have won.
The reason we aren’t at Wembley has nothing to do with the first half. And that’s coming from someone who accepts chaos theory. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:12]
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So if the first half had nothing to do with being knocked out of our only semi final for sixty odd years by a bunch of amateurs - had we been 3-0 up at half time, do you think we would have had a better chance of getting to Wembley?
I’m sure you understand my point, but why waste 45 minutes of football boring everyone senseless, when you could be playing it like you really really wanted to play at Wembley.
So the 442 pre game team talk, would be, “ don’t worry about the first half, let’s play tippy tappy, ineffective tripe - we’ll nick it by the odd goal like we normally do. “.
I think Colin Murray does a five live show, with a defend the indefensible slot, you’d be good at it. | | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:32 - Apr 5 with 1722 views | D_Alien |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:05 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
As someone who has attended all home games and been frustrated/bored/entertained in equal measure, I’m able to detach my personal feelings and look at the bigger picture for the benefit of the football club. We’ve seen some entertaining games (over half, with today being a great example as another regular commented after their goal today “any neutral who watched that second half would have really enjoyed it” The first half wasn’t a full game, neither is some of the games a whole home season) and some dross.
If we don’t reach the playoffs, the club have a decision to make. |
Unfortunately the hundreds, and then thousands, of new fans our owners are aiming to bring into the ground on a regular basis just won't see it like that
You're commenting as someone who knows the football side of the club very well indeed; you're commenting as a committed regular
Just for one moment, try to see it from an uncommitted perspective. Overcoming the inertia to get people through the gates requires more than what this manager is currently able to produce. There will be no detailed post-mortem from new fans today, just a shrug of the shoulders and thinking about how to spend their scarce time and money elsewhere | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:36 - Apr 5 with 1669 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:30 - Apr 5 by Rodingdale |
So if the first half had nothing to do with being knocked out of our only semi final for sixty odd years by a bunch of amateurs - had we been 3-0 up at half time, do you think we would have had a better chance of getting to Wembley?
I’m sure you understand my point, but why waste 45 minutes of football boring everyone senseless, when you could be playing it like you really really wanted to play at Wembley.
So the 442 pre game team talk, would be, “ don’t worry about the first half, let’s play tippy tappy, ineffective tripe - we’ll nick it by the odd goal like we normally do. “.
I think Colin Murray does a five live show, with a defend the indefensible slot, you’d be good at it. |
Nope, that wouldn’t be my team talk. I’d certainly say that at half time they’d need to improve as it wasn’t good enough (again, see previous posts). They did improve and should have won.
As anyone watching will testify.
Questions:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
Happy to admit to being wrong if either are shown to be true. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:37]
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:40 - Apr 5 with 1619 views | Cedar_Room |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:36 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Nope, that wouldn’t be my team talk. I’d certainly say that at half time they’d need to improve as it wasn’t good enough (again, see previous posts). They did improve and should have won.
As anyone watching will testify.
Questions:
1) At what stage have I said the first half was good enough?
2) Is there a quotable example of where I have defended the indefensible?
Happy to admit to being wrong if either are shown to be true. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:37]
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This whole thread is you defending the indefensible. |  | | |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:42 - Apr 5 with 1607 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:32 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
Unfortunately the hundreds, and then thousands, of new fans our owners are aiming to bring into the ground on a regular basis just won't see it like that
You're commenting as someone who knows the football side of the club very well indeed; you're commenting as a committed regular
Just for one moment, try to see it from an uncommitted perspective. Overcoming the inertia to get people through the gates requires more than what this manager is currently able to produce. There will be no detailed post-mortem from new fans today, just a shrug of the shoulders and thinking about how to spend their scarce time and money elsewhere |
I am. Today I saw a lot of possible new fans in the bar before the game (though who can be sure if they’re actually new!), and similarly those in the Sandy as we saw out the remaining minutes of what seemed like a good win on the way to Wembley.
I can’t be certain, much like those who claim the first half would have put them off coming again, but they all appeared to be having a great day.
After the pens, I’m not sure. I was too gutted at snatching defeat from the jaws of Wembley Park tube station to notice. My own personal views on the manager, his recruitment or style of play were not even on the mind at that stage either. | |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:42 - Apr 5 with 1602 views | dingdangblue |
Is there any point even trying to reach the play offs? I think today has shown us we are no where near winning them. |  |
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:43 - Apr 5 with 1593 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:40 - Apr 5 by Cedar_Room |
This whole thread is you defending the indefensible. |
Again, if examples are provided of where that is the case that are incorrect, will take it on board. [Post edited 5 Apr 19:43]
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| FA Trophy semi on 19:45 - Apr 5 with 1549 views | 442Dale |
| FA Trophy semi on 19:42 - Apr 5 by dingdangblue |
Is there any point even trying to reach the play offs? I think today has shown us we are no where near winning them. |
I tend to agree because we are clearly missing a winning mentality that can see games out. Mainly because of how we’ve recruited.
That said, would obviously hope to be wrong and have the opportunity. If we don’t get there, the manager would have to accept he’s in real trouble, because we should be doing. | |
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