| Kim Hellberg 19:15 - Apr 17 with 11864 views | Fireboy2 |
Wtf are the club thinking of? We have a manager who totally understands the current squad, the feeling is reciprocated, the fans love the current manager, wtf are they bringing this guy over talks, because that's all it is, talk, it means nothing, it's actions that count, sheehan has proved he's the man for the job through actions, getting us out of the relegation battle. [Post edited 17 Apr 19:18]
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| Kim Hellberg on 01:05 - Apr 19 with 1577 views | dobjack2 |
I'm speculating that there is data that shows he gets his teams to over perform and that some think that based on his data in the Swedish League he could take a team in the Championship places.
Like Ruben Amorim has done at a higher level with Man Utd based on his work in Portugal with Braga and Spiorting or Ange Postecoglou has done with Spurs based on his work in Australia, Japan and Scotland. |  | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 06:43 - Apr 19 with 1448 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 01:05 - Apr 19 by dobjack2 |
I'm speculating that there is data that shows he gets his teams to over perform and that some think that based on his data in the Swedish League he could take a team in the Championship places.
Like Ruben Amorim has done at a higher level with Man Utd based on his work in Portugal with Braga and Spiorting or Ange Postecoglou has done with Spurs based on his work in Australia, Japan and Scotland. |
How does the Swedish PL compare to the Championship? I’d guess technically very good but slower and less physical?
It’s good news either way. If we take the emotion out and look at this.
Fans invariably want Sheehan appointed.
We don’t see anything that our board, which now includes a CEO with football experience, don’t. They see him day to day. How he interacts with the players, coaching staff, with them etc
They’ve also done deep research on Hellberg, who I’d never heard of before, but has a very impressive couple of seasons under his belt. Fans seem to have dismissed him out of have because Sheehan has done so well.
Sheehan is clearly an outstanding candidate. If they decide he’s the best man for the job, brilliant we all agree with them.
If they decide Hellberg is, then they must rate him extremely highly. It’s not like we’re scrabbling around for the leftovers like when we appointed Duff and Williams. If we were, they’d have given it to Sheehan already. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:14 - Apr 19 with 1377 views | onehunglow |
| Kim Hellberg on 06:43 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
How does the Swedish PL compare to the Championship? I’d guess technically very good but slower and less physical?
It’s good news either way. If we take the emotion out and look at this.
Fans invariably want Sheehan appointed.
We don’t see anything that our board, which now includes a CEO with football experience, don’t. They see him day to day. How he interacts with the players, coaching staff, with them etc
They’ve also done deep research on Hellberg, who I’d never heard of before, but has a very impressive couple of seasons under his belt. Fans seem to have dismissed him out of have because Sheehan has done so well.
Sheehan is clearly an outstanding candidate. If they decide he’s the best man for the job, brilliant we all agree with them.
If they decide Hellberg is, then they must rate him extremely highly. It’s not like we’re scrabbling around for the leftovers like when we appointed Duff and Williams. If we were, they’d have given it to Sheehan already. |
Problem for me is that Hellberg, if seen as promising, would be off from our club at the earliest opportunity . | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 08:34 - Apr 19 with 1366 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:14 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
Problem for me is that Hellberg, if seen as promising, would be off from our club at the earliest opportunity . |
This is fair comment and Sheehan will have an affinity with the place.
Don’t believe he wouldn’t be off if a much better job came in though. Martinez and Rodgers were like gods here and it didn’t stop them.
May all be academic if they come to the conclusion Sheehan is our man. I’m happy either way. It’s much better to be having our pick than scraping the bottom of the barrel as we have done recently. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:38 - Apr 19 with 1357 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 01:05 - Apr 19 by dobjack2 |
I'm speculating that there is data that shows he gets his teams to over perform and that some think that based on his data in the Swedish League he could take a team in the Championship places.
Like Ruben Amorim has done at a higher level with Man Utd based on his work in Portugal with Braga and Spiorting or Ange Postecoglou has done with Spurs based on his work in Australia, Japan and Scotland. |
I wonder what the Sheehan data is showing them. He has taken a team edging towards relegation and with the same players produces promotion form. If they want data this must be off the scale. |  | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 09:00 - Apr 19 with 1303 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:38 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
I wonder what the Sheehan data is showing them. He has taken a team edging towards relegation and with the same players produces promotion form. If they want data this must be off the scale. |
It is off the scale.
At the same time, Hellberg has taken their equivalent of Ipswich or Luton, finished 10th and 5th with them. Then he’s taken over an average team and finished 2nd.
Surely having two exceptional candidates is exciting? | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:54 - Apr 19 with 1193 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 09:00 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
It is off the scale.
At the same time, Hellberg has taken their equivalent of Ipswich or Luton, finished 10th and 5th with them. Then he’s taken over an average team and finished 2nd.
Surely having two exceptional candidates is exciting? |
Completely different league. Both Ipswich and Luton went up from the Championship anyway, do you really believe when they went up he would have either top half? | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 11:52 - Apr 19 with 1152 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:54 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
Completely different league. Both Ipswich and Luton went up from the Championship anyway, do you really believe when they went up he would have either top half? |
That’s the point. It was a team that had never been in their top flight before and they finished 10th. Ipswich and Luton were the closest comparison I could think of.
Do you not think it’s a hell of an achievement regardless of which country it’s in? | | | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 11:59 - Apr 19 with 1139 views | magicdaps10 |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:14 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
Problem for me is that Hellberg, if seen as promising, would be off from our club at the earliest opportunity . |
Same would apply to any manager who comes in. |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 12:10 - Apr 19 with 1123 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 11:52 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
That’s the point. It was a team that had never been in their top flight before and they finished 10th. Ipswich and Luton were the closest comparison I could think of.
Do you not think it’s a hell of an achievement regardless of which country it’s in? |
Tbh I don't know the quality of the other teams or players well enough to comment. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:16 - Apr 19 with 1107 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:10 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
Tbh I don't know the quality of the other teams or players well enough to comment. |
Nor do I but it’s relative. A team that’s never been in their top flight is going to be a lot weaker than Ipswich or Luton.
I get why everyone wants Sheehan, but don’t get why we’re all dismissing this guy out of hand. I want the best manager for Swansea City, whoever that is and realise the board are in a much better position to judge that than I am. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:26 - Apr 19 with 1079 views | union_jack |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:16 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
Nor do I but it’s relative. A team that’s never been in their top flight is going to be a lot weaker than Ipswich or Luton.
I get why everyone wants Sheehan, but don’t get why we’re all dismissing this guy out of hand. I want the best manager for Swansea City, whoever that is and realise the board are in a much better position to judge that than I am. |
You hit it on the head earlier by mentioning emotion. Too many are thinking with too much of it.
He is an extremely likeable character who has performed over and beyond in the last few months and clearly should be the strongest candidate. But like employing a builder, it’s always good to get three quotes even if you know which one you want😁.
IF Sheehan doesn’t get it, I hope the players and the fans get behind the person who gets it and not lament Sheehan not getting picked. It’s a consideration for the hierarchy at the club that they mustn’t ignore at their peril. |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 12:26 - Apr 19 with 1081 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:16 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
Nor do I but it’s relative. A team that’s never been in their top flight is going to be a lot weaker than Ipswich or Luton.
I get why everyone wants Sheehan, but don’t get why we’re all dismissing this guy out of hand. I want the best manager for Swansea City, whoever that is and realise the board are in a much better position to judge that than I am. |
I'm not dismissing him out of hand I want the best manager for the club. Currently we have seen what Sheehan can do, we don't know what Hellberg could do in this country. If they had employed Hellberg when Williams went we would all be behind him, the club dithered why. They must have been planning for Williams to go because he was on thin ice for a long time, why was due diligence done earlier. Maybe the Sheehan results have taken the club by surprise and put them on the spot. It's hard to argue against Sheehan. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:37 - Apr 19 with 1050 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:26 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
I'm not dismissing him out of hand I want the best manager for the club. Currently we have seen what Sheehan can do, we don't know what Hellberg could do in this country. If they had employed Hellberg when Williams went we would all be behind him, the club dithered why. They must have been planning for Williams to go because he was on thin ice for a long time, why was due diligence done earlier. Maybe the Sheehan results have taken the club by surprise and put them on the spot. It's hard to argue against Sheehan. |
Anybody who is saying ‘we’ve seen what Sheehan can do just give him the job now’ is dismissing any other candidate out of hand.
I’m more looking at it from a point of view of ‘the board have seen what Sheehan can do and if they still prefer Hellberg, they must think he’s exceptional’. My guess is they’ll appoint Sheehan, but if they don’t, it’s because they think Hellberg is even better.
The bit about Sheehans results I completely agree with. I very much doubt they initially considered him as a permanent option, but he’s certainly forced them to have a real think over the last ten games. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:45 - Apr 19 with 1033 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:37 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
Anybody who is saying ‘we’ve seen what Sheehan can do just give him the job now’ is dismissing any other candidate out of hand.
I’m more looking at it from a point of view of ‘the board have seen what Sheehan can do and if they still prefer Hellberg, they must think he’s exceptional’. My guess is they’ll appoint Sheehan, but if they don’t, it’s because they think Hellberg is even better.
The bit about Sheehans results I completely agree with. I very much doubt they initially considered him as a permanent option, but he’s certainly forced them to have a real think over the last ten games. |
What makes you think the board prefer Hellberg, Keith is on record as saying that the club are split on his appointment. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:45 - Apr 19 with 1029 views | Dr_Winston |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:26 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
I'm not dismissing him out of hand I want the best manager for the club. Currently we have seen what Sheehan can do, we don't know what Hellberg could do in this country. If they had employed Hellberg when Williams went we would all be behind him, the club dithered why. They must have been planning for Williams to go because he was on thin ice for a long time, why was due diligence done earlier. Maybe the Sheehan results have taken the club by surprise and put them on the spot. It's hard to argue against Sheehan. |
"Maybe the Sheehan results have taken the club by surprise and put them on the spot. "
I think that's exactly what's happened. And to be honest, Sheehan's results have taken almost everybody else by surprise too.
Some of us hated the very idea of him, most of the rest probably thought that he was a competent pair of hands to keep on the tiller whilst we found the real replacement for Williams.
Anyone who expected him to do as well as he has is either a soothsayer or a fibber. [Post edited 19 Apr 12:47]
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| Kim Hellberg on 12:50 - Apr 19 with 1008 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:45 - Apr 19 by Dr_Winston |
"Maybe the Sheehan results have taken the club by surprise and put them on the spot. "
I think that's exactly what's happened. And to be honest, Sheehan's results have taken almost everybody else by surprise too.
Some of us hated the very idea of him, most of the rest probably thought that he was a competent pair of hands to keep on the tiller whilst we found the real replacement for Williams.
Anyone who expected him to do as well as he has is either a soothsayer or a fibber. [Post edited 19 Apr 12:47]
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The results have taken me completely by surprise, in the beginning I was considering Sheehan as the cheap option only, I have been proved so wrong. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:55 - Apr 19 with 987 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:45 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
What makes you think the board prefer Hellberg, Keith is on record as saying that the club are split on his appointment. |
Nothing does. My sentence was along the lines of ‘if the board prefer Hellberg’. My gut feeling is Sheehan will get the job and he’ll deserve it.
The point I’m trying to make is Sheehan is an exceptional candidate. If the board go with him, great. If they go with Hellberg it’s because they think he’s even better. It’s a win win.
I’ll be delighted if either get the job. I get the feeling a lot will be disappointed if Hellberg does. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:11 - Apr 19 with 956 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:55 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
Nothing does. My sentence was along the lines of ‘if the board prefer Hellberg’. My gut feeling is Sheehan will get the job and he’ll deserve it.
The point I’m trying to make is Sheehan is an exceptional candidate. If the board go with him, great. If they go with Hellberg it’s because they think he’s even better. It’s a win win.
I’ll be delighted if either get the job. I get the feeling a lot will be disappointed if Hellberg does. |
That's fair. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:20 - Apr 19 with 923 views | Dr_Winston |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:50 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
The results have taken me completely by surprise, in the beginning I was considering Sheehan as the cheap option only, I have been proved so wrong. |
I don't envy the club having to make this call.
They'd have started the manager search with a very specific type of individual in mind, no doubt one that a lot of supporters would have wanted them to, and appear to have identified one, only for the stop gap option to win over if not most, then certainly a very large number of the same supporters in the meantime.
No matter who they choose they're going to upset somebody. They have to go for the person who they ultimately see as the best option in the long term, whether that's Sheehan, Hellberg or someone else. We as supporters then have to give him the chance to succeed. | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 13:25 - Apr 19 with 907 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:20 - Apr 19 by Dr_Winston |
I don't envy the club having to make this call.
They'd have started the manager search with a very specific type of individual in mind, no doubt one that a lot of supporters would have wanted them to, and appear to have identified one, only for the stop gap option to win over if not most, then certainly a very large number of the same supporters in the meantime.
No matter who they choose they're going to upset somebody. They have to go for the person who they ultimately see as the best option in the long term, whether that's Sheehan, Hellberg or someone else. We as supporters then have to give him the chance to succeed. |
Sheehan aside it's been a while since we picked a decent manager. Hopefully Montague has more about him, if he has much of an input. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:35 - Apr 19 with 874 views | Dr_Winston |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:25 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
Sheehan aside it's been a while since we picked a decent manager. Hopefully Montague has more about him, if he has much of an input. |
That's been a far bigger problem for us than player acquisition IMO. We're starting to see previously written off players actually doing well when competently coached.
We haven't had a truly capable manager since Cooper, and I wasn't hugely fond of him. | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 14:08 - Apr 19 with 806 views | KeithHaynes |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:25 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
Sheehan aside it's been a while since we picked a decent manager. Hopefully Montague has more about him, if he has much of an input. |
He is very much a part of the process. As he has been in identifying managers away from Sheehan with his team. |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 14:12 - Apr 19 with 771 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:08 - Apr 19 by KeithHaynes |
He is very much a part of the process. As he has been in identifying managers away from Sheehan with his team. |
Montague strikes me as a real football man, hopefully we employ professionals and they are allowed to do their job. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:36 - Apr 19 with 728 views | KeithHaynes |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:12 - Apr 19 by Whiterockin |
Montague strikes me as a real football man, hopefully we employ professionals and they are allowed to do their job. |
He was the link with Macaulay Langstaff, he was then doing the same role at Notts County.
If I told you he said ‘He isn’t good enough for the Championship’ would you believe me ?
He’s had a very poor season for Millwall this season.
Squad: 34, Starting eleven: 14, Substituted in: 18, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0, Absence: 0
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