| Kim Hellberg 19:15 - Apr 17 with 11227 views | Fireboy2 |
Wtf are the club thinking of? We have a manager who totally understands the current squad, the feeling is reciprocated, the fans love the current manager, wtf are they bringing this guy over talks, because that's all it is, talk, it means nothing, it's actions that count, sheehan has proved he's the man for the job through actions, getting us out of the relegation battle. [Post edited 17 Apr 19:18]
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| Kim Hellberg on 14:40 - Apr 19 with 2914 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:36 - Apr 19 by KeithHaynes |
He was the link with Macaulay Langstaff, he was then doing the same role at Notts County.
If I told you he said ‘He isn’t good enough for the Championship’ would you believe me ?
He’s had a very poor season for Millwall this season.
Squad: 34, Starting eleven: 14, Substituted in: 18, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0, Absence: 0
1 goal. |
Yes, when I spoke to him I thought he talked a lot of sense. |  | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 16:38 - Apr 19 with 2764 views | ncswan |
| Kim Hellberg on 12:55 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
Nothing does. My sentence was along the lines of ‘if the board prefer Hellberg’. My gut feeling is Sheehan will get the job and he’ll deserve it.
The point I’m trying to make is Sheehan is an exceptional candidate. If the board go with him, great. If they go with Hellberg it’s because they think he’s even better. It’s a win win.
I’ll be delighted if either get the job. I get the feeling a lot will be disappointed if Hellberg does. |
I would agree that we may have two outstanding candidates, more certainly Alan Sheehan than Hellberg imo, for the following reasons:
1. Sheehan's record as manager (9-4-4), if spread over 46 games, would equate to 84 points. That is what Hellberg will be compared to if hired.
2. Sheehan has won over the fans, his players, and I assume some of the board with his "interim manager in charge" success/achievements (4 shutout victories!!). Hopefully, Hellberg can show that he can do the same, if hired.
3. Sheehan is humble, and has shown that his tactics, strategies, formations will work in the Championship. Hellberg doesn't have Championship experience.
4. Hellberg's managerial record in the Swedish 1st Division is admirable, but I don't think it can be compared as the same as the grueling grind of 46 games that the Championship is. There's a helluva lot more talent and physicallity in the Championship. There is a higher element of risk with Hellberg than with Sheehan, just on this point alone.
5. Hellberg will undoubtedly cost more than Sheehan mainly due to relocation costs & bringing in his assistants. Swans players will need time to get used to his style of coaching. With AS, all but any new recruit will know what to expect. Darling & OB may opt to stay if AS is the manager.
My fear is that Gorringe & Montague will go with someone other than Sheehan mainly to make their mark on the club's thinking and going against the logical choice. I've seen this happen too many times in professional sports with most of the time ending in failure. |  | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 17:00 - Apr 19 with 2723 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 16:38 - Apr 19 by ncswan |
I would agree that we may have two outstanding candidates, more certainly Alan Sheehan than Hellberg imo, for the following reasons:
1. Sheehan's record as manager (9-4-4), if spread over 46 games, would equate to 84 points. That is what Hellberg will be compared to if hired.
2. Sheehan has won over the fans, his players, and I assume some of the board with his "interim manager in charge" success/achievements (4 shutout victories!!). Hopefully, Hellberg can show that he can do the same, if hired.
3. Sheehan is humble, and has shown that his tactics, strategies, formations will work in the Championship. Hellberg doesn't have Championship experience.
4. Hellberg's managerial record in the Swedish 1st Division is admirable, but I don't think it can be compared as the same as the grueling grind of 46 games that the Championship is. There's a helluva lot more talent and physicallity in the Championship. There is a higher element of risk with Hellberg than with Sheehan, just on this point alone.
5. Hellberg will undoubtedly cost more than Sheehan mainly due to relocation costs & bringing in his assistants. Swans players will need time to get used to his style of coaching. With AS, all but any new recruit will know what to expect. Darling & OB may opt to stay if AS is the manager.
My fear is that Gorringe & Montague will go with someone other than Sheehan mainly to make their mark on the club's thinking and going against the logical choice. I've seen this happen too many times in professional sports with most of the time ending in failure. |
There’s no doubt that there are a lot of intangibles going in Sheehans favour compared to anyone else.
Liked and respected by the players
Would hit the ground running next season
Knows the club/area whereas you never know how others will settle
Already has a relationship with senior management
Without even accounting for the fact there’s no compensation to pay.
This will all be factored into the decision making.
Point 4 I disagree with. Sheehan has 17 games over two spells. That can’t be compared to a 46 game season either. For context, Hellberg has a 55% win rate (very similar to Sheehans) over triple the amount of games with Hammarby. Second in the league over a full season and top very early on this season.
Reality is, if I had to choose, I’d be guessing and I’d go with Sheehan because I know a lot more about him and can’t pick holes in what he’s done.
If Gorringe and Montague, armed with a lot more knowledge on both than either of us, appoint Hellberg, I’d assume they’d concluded he was even better than Sheehan and I’d see that as a positive.
Don’t think they’ll appoint on an ego trip. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 18:13 - Apr 19 with 2621 views | union_jack |
| Kim Hellberg on 17:00 - Apr 19 by jack247 |
There’s no doubt that there are a lot of intangibles going in Sheehans favour compared to anyone else.
Liked and respected by the players
Would hit the ground running next season
Knows the club/area whereas you never know how others will settle
Already has a relationship with senior management
Without even accounting for the fact there’s no compensation to pay.
This will all be factored into the decision making.
Point 4 I disagree with. Sheehan has 17 games over two spells. That can’t be compared to a 46 game season either. For context, Hellberg has a 55% win rate (very similar to Sheehans) over triple the amount of games with Hammarby. Second in the league over a full season and top very early on this season.
Reality is, if I had to choose, I’d be guessing and I’d go with Sheehan because I know a lot more about him and can’t pick holes in what he’s done.
If Gorringe and Montague, armed with a lot more knowledge on both than either of us, appoint Hellberg, I’d assume they’d concluded he was even better than Sheehan and I’d see that as a positive.
Don’t think they’ll appoint on an ego trip. |
Excellent post echoing my thoughts exactly.
I’m not against Sheehan, far from it. But it’s not as simple as extrapolating the number of wins like NC’s post.
In truth, nobody knows who will be the best as there’s no control and experiment here.
Whoever we go with, I hope he’s supported by the club and by the players and supporters. |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 18:27 - Apr 19 with 2602 views | raynor94 |
I was for Sheehan till the end of the season, but this run we have been on made me think he should get the job, and now they throw Hellberg into the ring🤔
I'll trust the club to come to the right decision, but whichever one gets it let's get right behind him |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 18:33 - Apr 19 with 2597 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Kim Hellberg on 07:18 - Apr 18 by jack247 |
My preference would be to give Sheehan the job, but this is exactly why I said it’s foolish to consider him the only option without knowing who else the club are interested in.
What this guy has done over the last couple of years, with unfancied teams in the Swedish top division is phenomenal.
Sheehan couldn’t have done any more so far, but we shouldn’t be dismissing candidates like this out of hand. |
For my money this isn't about dismissing anybody out of hand, it's about saying the person in charge right now has done such a fantastic job that it'd be silly to not give him the job.
Besides the fact he's got a fairly weak squad showing almost play off form (you coud say that's doing well with an unfancied team) if we bring someone in from another club it will literally cost the club money that we apparently don't have. I don't see the sense?
Sheehan has provided good results, the fans love him, the players love him AND he's the cheap option, surely that ticks every box? | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 20:44 - Apr 19 with 2478 views | onehunglow |
| Kim Hellberg on 18:33 - Apr 19 by SullutaCreturned |
For my money this isn't about dismissing anybody out of hand, it's about saying the person in charge right now has done such a fantastic job that it'd be silly to not give him the job.
Besides the fact he's got a fairly weak squad showing almost play off form (you coud say that's doing well with an unfancied team) if we bring someone in from another club it will literally cost the club money that we apparently don't have. I don't see the sense?
Sheehan has provided good results, the fans love him, the players love him AND he's the cheap option, surely that ticks every box? |
He doesn't need a job interview
All sorts of shite is spouted at interviews
Sheehan has shown what he can do and without a decent striker at the club | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 20:55 - Apr 19 with 2464 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 20:44 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
He doesn't need a job interview
All sorts of shite is spouted at interviews
Sheehan has shown what he can do and without a decent striker at the club |
No PowerPoint presentation required, the facts are there for all to see. Just give Sheehan the job. | | | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 07:55 - Apr 20 with 2219 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 18:33 - Apr 19 by SullutaCreturned |
For my money this isn't about dismissing anybody out of hand, it's about saying the person in charge right now has done such a fantastic job that it'd be silly to not give him the job.
Besides the fact he's got a fairly weak squad showing almost play off form (you coud say that's doing well with an unfancied team) if we bring someone in from another club it will literally cost the club money that we apparently don't have. I don't see the sense?
Sheehan has provided good results, the fans love him, the players love him AND he's the cheap option, surely that ticks every box? |
I get all of that and I expect them to reach the conclusion he’s the best man for the job.
The point I’m making is that when they weigh it up, if they do decide they’ve got an even better candidate, that’s fantastic. They have far more insight than us.
Assuming we couldn’t possibly do any better than Sheehan is dismissing anyone else out of hand. I don’t think we can, but I’m open minded on it. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:17 - Apr 20 with 2156 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 07:55 - Apr 20 by jack247 |
I get all of that and I expect them to reach the conclusion he’s the best man for the job.
The point I’m making is that when they weigh it up, if they do decide they’ve got an even better candidate, that’s fantastic. They have far more insight than us.
Assuming we couldn’t possibly do any better than Sheehan is dismissing anyone else out of hand. I don’t think we can, but I’m open minded on it. |
The question I ask is if they wanted Hellberg why haven't we already signed him up. Williams was sacked two months ago and they were slow to do that so they have had plenty of time to do due diligence. Hellbergs team have only played four times over that period so they can't be monitoring his progress. Was it down to trying to save money or trying to include any compensation into the next financial year, surely that could have been negotiated. If Hellberg had been given the job six weeks ago we would have all been behind him. But IMO Sheehan has outstriped expectations, converted most of the fans who doubted him and put the owners in a nice but difficult position. Of course if they employ Hellberg we will all be behind him, but if he doesn't hit the ground running the supporters will say the club has made a terrible mistake and the fragile support the owners have will dissappear. A massive decision to make, which would have been easier if was done earlier if they go for Hellberg. Who would be an owner. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:26 - Apr 20 with 2108 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:17 - Apr 20 by Whiterockin |
The question I ask is if they wanted Hellberg why haven't we already signed him up. Williams was sacked two months ago and they were slow to do that so they have had plenty of time to do due diligence. Hellbergs team have only played four times over that period so they can't be monitoring his progress. Was it down to trying to save money or trying to include any compensation into the next financial year, surely that could have been negotiated. If Hellberg had been given the job six weeks ago we would have all been behind him. But IMO Sheehan has outstriped expectations, converted most of the fans who doubted him and put the owners in a nice but difficult position. Of course if they employ Hellberg we will all be behind him, but if he doesn't hit the ground running the supporters will say the club has made a terrible mistake and the fragile support the owners have will dissappear. A massive decision to make, which would have been easier if was done earlier if they go for Hellberg. Who would be an owner. |
My guess is Sheehan was seen as a safe pair of hands to keep us in the division and wasn’t a serious long term contender. Much less of a risk than bringing in a new manager when we were in freefall with 13 games left.
He’s done way better than expected and forced his way to the front of the queue.
Yes, if Sheehan doesn’t get the job, whoever does will be vilified the minute he has a bad run. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:33 - Apr 20 with 2082 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:26 - Apr 20 by jack247 |
My guess is Sheehan was seen as a safe pair of hands to keep us in the division and wasn’t a serious long term contender. Much less of a risk than bringing in a new manager when we were in freefall with 13 games left.
He’s done way better than expected and forced his way to the front of the queue.
Yes, if Sheehan doesn’t get the job, whoever does will be vilified the minute he has a bad run. |
Agreed, but it shows that the powers that be at the club are not a good judge of the assets they have. When you see someone every day surely you should be able to spot potential. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:47 - Apr 20 with 2044 views | jack247 |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:33 - Apr 20 by Whiterockin |
Agreed, but it shows that the powers that be at the club are not a good judge of the assets they have. When you see someone every day surely you should be able to spot potential. |
Can’t argue with that | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 09:15 - Apr 20 with 1987 views | 3swan |
| Kim Hellberg on 08:47 - Apr 20 by jack247 |
Can’t argue with that |
I agree.
Then there is a counter argument that they might see something day by day that we don’t
He’s done enough to be given the chance, we are screaming out for some stability | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:05 - Apr 20 with 1890 views | GVJack |
I want Sheehan and Sheehan only. He's proved he's got the tactical knowledge to get the most out of games. He's not stubborn sticking to one (boring and error prone) tactic and tells everyone to "trust the process". Individually players seem to be playing better under him suggesting they're benefitting from his coaching and the coaches he's brought in to support him. Another poster has said players look like they'll "run through a brick wall" for him... That for me tells me everything we need to know and is being seen in the automatic promotion form we are in under him.
He's the safe (and exciting if he can take this form into ext year) option which will also save the club £££ which can be better invested into the playing squad.
Nothing against Hellberg at all, I don't know much about him, and if Sheehan was inconsistent then I'd be a lot more open to the idea but would be worried we recruit another in the Martin or Williams mould who just want to win the top possession league.
If Sheehan wants the job, it has to go to him, anything else I would deem as incredibly arrogant by Montague and Gorringe that they don't want to make the obvious and easy decision. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:28 - Apr 20 with 1819 views | Whiterockin |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:05 - Apr 20 by GVJack |
I want Sheehan and Sheehan only. He's proved he's got the tactical knowledge to get the most out of games. He's not stubborn sticking to one (boring and error prone) tactic and tells everyone to "trust the process". Individually players seem to be playing better under him suggesting they're benefitting from his coaching and the coaches he's brought in to support him. Another poster has said players look like they'll "run through a brick wall" for him... That for me tells me everything we need to know and is being seen in the automatic promotion form we are in under him.
He's the safe (and exciting if he can take this form into ext year) option which will also save the club £££ which can be better invested into the playing squad.
Nothing against Hellberg at all, I don't know much about him, and if Sheehan was inconsistent then I'd be a lot more open to the idea but would be worried we recruit another in the Martin or Williams mould who just want to win the top possession league.
If Sheehan wants the job, it has to go to him, anything else I would deem as incredibly arrogant by Montague and Gorringe that they don't want to make the obvious and easy decision. |
I hope it's not a case of "the grass is greener" and they want to get their own man to prove a point. A very dangerous game if it is and a very arrogant move. I certainly hope its not. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:19 - Apr 20 with 1675 views | ncswan |
| Kim Hellberg on 10:05 - Apr 20 by GVJack |
I want Sheehan and Sheehan only. He's proved he's got the tactical knowledge to get the most out of games. He's not stubborn sticking to one (boring and error prone) tactic and tells everyone to "trust the process". Individually players seem to be playing better under him suggesting they're benefitting from his coaching and the coaches he's brought in to support him. Another poster has said players look like they'll "run through a brick wall" for him... That for me tells me everything we need to know and is being seen in the automatic promotion form we are in under him.
He's the safe (and exciting if he can take this form into ext year) option which will also save the club £££ which can be better invested into the playing squad.
Nothing against Hellberg at all, I don't know much about him, and if Sheehan was inconsistent then I'd be a lot more open to the idea but would be worried we recruit another in the Martin or Williams mould who just want to win the top possession league.
If Sheehan wants the job, it has to go to him, anything else I would deem as incredibly arrogant by Montague and Gorringe that they don't want to make the obvious and easy decision. |
Exactly my sentiments! Great post! | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:10 - Apr 20 with 1591 views | Fireboy2 |
| Kim Hellberg on 13:19 - Apr 20 by ncswan |
Exactly my sentiments! Great post! |
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| Kim Hellberg on 15:38 - Apr 20 with 1479 views | vetchonian |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:10 - Apr 20 by Fireboy2 |
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But reading Liams article it seems that things with Hellberg have stalled? He is not now coming across to Swansea for an interview/meeting.
Reading between the lines from the mist recent articles and certain posts I believe we will see Sheehan named as permanent manager/head coach soon.
At the end of the day the club has had to look at alternatives just in case. Maybe Sheehan is happy just to be a no2?
But this whole thing has shades of deja vu heading for relegation we sack manager,appoint a replacement who steers us towards safety only for new owners to appoint their choice who serials us us back towards the trap door.
Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 19:16 - Apr 20 with 1336 views | RuDeMan1970 |
| Kim Hellberg on 14:10 - Apr 20 by Fireboy2 |
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| Kim Hellberg on 21:44 - Apr 21 with 971 views | KeithHaynes |
| Kim Hellberg on 15:38 - Apr 20 by vetchonian |
But reading Liams article it seems that things with Hellberg have stalled? He is not now coming across to Swansea for an interview/meeting.
Reading between the lines from the mist recent articles and certain posts I believe we will see Sheehan named as permanent manager/head coach soon.
At the end of the day the club has had to look at alternatives just in case. Maybe Sheehan is happy just to be a no2?
But this whole thing has shades of deja vu heading for relegation we sack manager,appoint a replacement who steers us towards safety only for new owners to appoint their choice who serials us us back towards the trap door.
Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself |
Obviously we have been without Liam for a while. However, there’s still a fair bit to do if they want Hellberg. They have the potential figures for him and his staff as a buy out and for me this will be money not very well spent.
Could go to a million how these things work. |  |
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| Kim Hellberg on 03:56 - Apr 22 with 811 views | ncswan |
| Kim Hellberg on 21:44 - Apr 21 by KeithHaynes |
Obviously we have been without Liam for a while. However, there’s still a fair bit to do if they want Hellberg. They have the potential figures for him and his staff as a buy out and for me this will be money not very well spent.
Could go to a million how these things work. |
"Money not very well spent." That's what's so puzzling about chasing someone like Hellberg or anyone other than Sheehan for that matter. Hellberg will want his assistants to come along. They'll all need to be relocated. If I'm Hellberg, I'd want reassurances that I won't be fired in the first 6 months due to a bad run, because I know the spectre of Sheehan will be all over the place from the fans' perspective, players' perspective, and possibly some board members' perspectives who called for Sheehan to be given the job in the first place.
All of these costs will require add'l money, more than what Sheehan would cost because he's already settled in the area, more money that supposedly the Swans don't have due to PSR. Gorringe really needs to get out in front of this, right now! His silence is only increasing our distrust for him to make the correct choice here, which is Alan Sheehan.
Really, would anybody in their right mind be able to stand before the Swans fans, Swans players and staff, the media, and the soccer world, and announce that Swansea's new manager is someone other than Alan Sheehan? The odds of it working are immediately against you because everyone is expecting Sheehan. It could work out okay, but if it doesn't work out, then you're finished as a professional soccer executive. Who would hire you if your choice of someone other than Sheehan turns out to be a dud (e.g., Williams, Duff, and even Martin)? At least you have a chance at continuing your profession with Sheehan as your choice, even if Sheehan for some reason can't reproduce his magic next year. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 17:22 - Apr 23 with 488 views | Whiterockin |
Hammarby v Malmo kicks off at 6pm. Hammarby lost their last game. Let's see if Hellbergs current form can match Sheehan. | | | |
| Kim Hellberg on 17:36 - Apr 23 with 441 views | KeithHaynes |
| Kim Hellberg on 17:22 - Apr 23 by Whiterockin |
Hammarby v Malmo kicks off at 6pm. Hammarby lost their last game. Let's see if Hellbergs current form can match Sheehan. |
The game between the manager who didn’t want the job and the manager who has stated the Swans will have to pay to get him. | |
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| Kim Hellberg on 17:48 - Apr 23 with 398 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Kim Hellberg on 07:55 - Apr 20 by jack247 |
I get all of that and I expect them to reach the conclusion he’s the best man for the job.
The point I’m making is that when they weigh it up, if they do decide they’ve got an even better candidate, that’s fantastic. They have far more insight than us.
Assuming we couldn’t possibly do any better than Sheehan is dismissing anyone else out of hand. I don’t think we can, but I’m open minded on it. |
It's hardly an assumption, it's based on evidence.
We can't assume Hellberg is a better candidate either, his record in Sweden can be good but he won't be the first manager with a good record to flop at his next club, it's always a gamble.
I'm ot assuming we can't do better, I'm saying the evidence shows Sheehan deserves a chance based on his record. He may fail, he may get us promoted, who knows because...it's always a gamble but at least with AS it's not a complete unknown and it's not going to be an expensive fail. | | | |
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