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Wtf are the club thinking of? We have a manager who totally understands the current squad, the feeling is reciprocated, the fans love the current manager, wtf are they bringing this guy over talks, because that's all it is, talk, it means nothing, it's actions that count, sheehan has proved he's the man for the job through actions, getting us out of the relegation battle.
It's hardly an assumption, it's based on evidence.
We can't assume Hellberg is a better candidate either, his record in Sweden can be good but he won't be the first manager with a good record to flop at his next club, it's always a gamble.
I'm ot assuming we can't do better, I'm saying the evidence shows Sheehan deserves a chance based on his record. He may fail, he may get us promoted, who knows because...it's always a gamble but at least with AS it's not a complete unknown and it's not going to be an expensive fail.
All of which I agree with but I would like to add is by giving AS the job would give the Club /players continuity , Hellberg despite his record cannot be compared to AS because he works in a different league and with it so many different variables ,AS knows the league has proven he can more than compete with the best teams in the league and gets results. If the job is given to Hellberg he's going to have to hit the gt round running in terms of performances and in some cases results ,the cry on social media for AS is getting louder and won't be forgotten ,certainly if Hellberg turns out to be a failure.
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It's hardly an assumption, it's based on evidence.
We can't assume Hellberg is a better candidate either, his record in Sweden can be good but he won't be the first manager with a good record to flop at his next club, it's always a gamble.
I'm ot assuming we can't do better, I'm saying the evidence shows Sheehan deserves a chance based on his record. He may fail, he may get us promoted, who knows because...it's always a gamble but at least with AS it's not a complete unknown and it's not going to be an expensive fail.
It’s a complete assumption.
I want us to appoint the best manager for SCFC. Deserving a chance is irrelevant if the board genuinely believe Hellberg is the better option.
If it was down to me, knowing very little about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan tomorrow. The point I’m making is they are much better informed than either of us.
I’m certainly not assuming Hellberg is a better option. I know next to nothing about him. You’ve misunderstood my posts if you think that.
I want us to appoint the best manager for SCFC. Deserving a chance is irrelevant if the board genuinely believe Hellberg is the better option.
If it was down to me, knowing very little about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan tomorrow. The point I’m making is they are much better informed than either of us.
I’m certainly not assuming Hellberg is a better option. I know next to nothing about him. You’ve misunderstood my posts if you think that.
You would think that they were better informed about Martin, Duff and Williams, that went well. Sheehan has provided his case give him the job, why take a leap into the unknown.
You would think that they were better informed about Martin, Duff and Williams, that went well. Sheehan has provided his case give him the job, why take a leap into the unknown.
Firstly, that was a completely different board.
That aside, Duff and Williams weren’t first choices. They actually wanted Davies, who has just won league one with Birmingham (albeit with a jacked squad) and Eustace, who did well at Blackburn and has dragged Derby to the brink of safety.
Yes, Sheehan has done brilliantly, that’s not in dispute
I want us to appoint the best manager for SCFC. Deserving a chance is irrelevant if the board genuinely believe Hellberg is the better option.
If it was down to me, knowing very little about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan tomorrow. The point I’m making is they are much better informed than either of us.
I’m certainly not assuming Hellberg is a better option. I know next to nothing about him. You’ve misunderstood my posts if you think that.
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I want us to appoint the best manager for SCFC. Deserving a chance is irrelevant if the board genuinely believe Hellberg is the better option.
If it was down to me, knowing very little about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan tomorrow. The point I’m making is they are much better informed than either of us.
I’m certainly not assuming Hellberg is a better option. I know next to nothing about him. You’ve misunderstood my posts if you think that.
Oh come on, Sheehan has a track record here, we know what he can do. That is in no way an assumption, it's a fact. he's taken a team that Luke Williams made look utterly rubbish and had them churning out form good enough for the play offs at least.
If a coach that gets good results doesn't deserve a chance then why does a coach from a team in a worse league deserve a chance? Hellberg has no history here, in fact it's an assumption that he'd be a better candidate because if we can't use Sheehans record then why can we use Hellbergs? Sheehans is undoubtedly more relevant because it's the Championship and he's gotten good results in 2 different spells.
OK, lets give Hellberg the job but don't anybody who supported him dare whinge if he flops, I too promise not to moan if Sheehan flops nor gloat if he succeeds.
Of course, it's entirely possible that both of them are good choices, how about we offer the job to Hellberg only as long as Sheehan is his Number 2, if Sheehan wants it?
Nah, I've made my choice, I want Sheehan for better or for worse. Hellberg is on a hiding to nothing if he gets it because the Sheehan supporters will be dubious from day one whereas AS has our full support.
Some people are banging about this board being different than the old board.
It's about who is in charge of recruiting the new manager and I have no faith whatsoever in the two we have, both have experience from league 2 clubs, yes league 2, let that sink in.
Oh come on, Sheehan has a track record here, we know what he can do. That is in no way an assumption, it's a fact. he's taken a team that Luke Williams made look utterly rubbish and had them churning out form good enough for the play offs at least.
If a coach that gets good results doesn't deserve a chance then why does a coach from a team in a worse league deserve a chance? Hellberg has no history here, in fact it's an assumption that he'd be a better candidate because if we can't use Sheehans record then why can we use Hellbergs? Sheehans is undoubtedly more relevant because it's the Championship and he's gotten good results in 2 different spells.
OK, lets give Hellberg the job but don't anybody who supported him dare whinge if he flops, I too promise not to moan if Sheehan flops nor gloat if he succeeds.
Of course, it's entirely possible that both of them are good choices, how about we offer the job to Hellberg only as long as Sheehan is his Number 2, if Sheehan wants it?
Nah, I've made my choice, I want Sheehan for better or for worse. Hellberg is on a hiding to nothing if he gets it because the Sheehan supporters will be dubious from day one whereas AS has our full support.
Look at it like this. If Sheehan gets the job the supporters will be looking to challenge for the play offs. If it's someone else and they are not in that position very early in the season they will be crucified along with Gorringe and Montague.
Look at it like this. If Sheehan gets the job the supporters will be looking to challenge for the play offs. If it's someone else and they are not in that position very early in the season they will be crucified along with Gorringe and Montague.
And i.will one of many giving them the sh!t they deserve.
And i.will one of many giving them the sh!t they deserve.
At the fans forum Gorringe said there will be a fans forum in the summer [pre season] and in the autumn. They will be very interesting if Sheehan does not get the job. There were some very hard hitting questions in the last one, the next will be off the scale.
Oh come on, Sheehan has a track record here, we know what he can do. That is in no way an assumption, it's a fact. he's taken a team that Luke Williams made look utterly rubbish and had them churning out form good enough for the play offs at least.
If a coach that gets good results doesn't deserve a chance then why does a coach from a team in a worse league deserve a chance? Hellberg has no history here, in fact it's an assumption that he'd be a better candidate because if we can't use Sheehans record then why can we use Hellbergs? Sheehans is undoubtedly more relevant because it's the Championship and he's gotten good results in 2 different spells.
OK, lets give Hellberg the job but don't anybody who supported him dare whinge if he flops, I too promise not to moan if Sheehan flops nor gloat if he succeeds.
Of course, it's entirely possible that both of them are good choices, how about we offer the job to Hellberg only as long as Sheehan is his Number 2, if Sheehan wants it?
Nah, I've made my choice, I want Sheehan for better or for worse. Hellberg is on a hiding to nothing if he gets it because the Sheehan supporters will be dubious from day one whereas AS has our full support.
You’ve misunderstood .
Sheehan having a track record here isn’t an assumption. That meaning we should dismiss anyone else out of hand, which whether you’ll see it or not, is exactly what you are doing, is.
Hellberg would do a better job is an assumption. Of course it is. It’s not an assumption I, or anybody else to my knowledge, has made.
You seem to be reading me saying ‘our board should make the best choice for SCFC, whether that’s Sheehan or anyone else’ as ‘they should appoint Hellberg’. As I’ve said before, if it was on me, not knowing much about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan without question.
Totally agree anyone else getting the job is up against it before they even start.
Appreciate you’ve made up your mind, but I hope we don’t appoint anyone for ‘better or for worse’. That’s my entire point really.
No matter what sheehan wants it won't be anywhere near as much as it would cost to pay the swede and his club for his remaining contract.
Sheehan will be well worth it, look what he's done to a bruised, damaged by williams squad? He's taken them from being certain relegation fodder to play off and almost automatic promotion form.
No matter what sheehan wants it won't be anywhere near as much as it would cost to pay the swede and his club for his remaining contract.
Sheehan will be well worth it, look what he's done to a bruised, damaged by williams squad? He's taken them from being certain relegation fodder to play off and almost automatic promotion form.
Agree There is only one candidate Of course if Klopp or Pep stroll up and fancy managing Li'l Old Swansea, then that is different Otherwise there is only one candidate, who has earned the players and the fans respect and should be given the job permanently straight away. No other prospective candidates who are apparently on our radar come near
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Sheehan having a track record here isn’t an assumption. That meaning we should dismiss anyone else out of hand, which whether you’ll see it or not, is exactly what you are doing, is.
Hellberg would do a better job is an assumption. Of course it is. It’s not an assumption I, or anybody else to my knowledge, has made.
You seem to be reading me saying ‘our board should make the best choice for SCFC, whether that’s Sheehan or anyone else’ as ‘they should appoint Hellberg’. As I’ve said before, if it was on me, not knowing much about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan without question.
Totally agree anyone else getting the job is up against it before they even start.
Appreciate you’ve made up your mind, but I hope we don’t appoint anyone for ‘better or for worse’. That’s my entire point really.
CEO Tom Gorringe acknowledged that Swans are in a £15.7M hole, and that as the recently-hired CEO, he's directing the club to cut costs. He added that any money from the Piroe £2M add-on may be used to pay off debt, and could possibly not go toward this summer's player recruiting. Does it then make sense to pay another club money to buy out its manager when you're in debt and after stating that there will be or already realized staff cuts, selling promising players, selling facilities, and paring your recruiting budget? Especially when the whole soccer world knows that you don't have to pay another club in order to sign Alan Sheehan and his coaches permanently? You won't have to pay for relocation costs. Plus, you won't have to win over Swans fans and players and staff, and you also have momentum going into next season. All of this and you're still talking about exploring other clubs' managers? BGO time. Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious!
CEO Tom Gorringe acknowledged that Swans are in a £15.7M hole, and that as the recently-hired CEO, he's directing the club to cut costs. He added that any money from the Piroe £2M add-on may be used to pay off debt, and could possibly not go toward this summer's player recruiting. Does it then make sense to pay another club money to buy out its manager when you're in debt and after stating that there will be or already realized staff cuts, selling promising players, selling facilities, and paring your recruiting budget? Especially when the whole soccer world knows that you don't have to pay another club in order to sign Alan Sheehan and his coaches permanently? You won't have to pay for relocation costs. Plus, you won't have to win over Swans fans and players and staff, and you also have momentum going into next season. All of this and you're still talking about exploring other clubs' managers? BGO time. Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious!
Ok, this is it for me on this thread unless someone says something new. I’m just repeating myself otherwise.
Sheehans run of form Relationship with the players Wanted by the fans No compensation to pay Background in the championship
Are all huge factors that his favour and have to be taken into account when making a decision. Most of them are getting stronger by the game.
If our board take all this into account and still appoint someone else, they must think that person is an incredible candidate.
Now if they’d previously made their minds up and not considered the last couple of months, that would be them not doing their job properly and my only real concern.
People are stating things like ‘Hellberg would cost compensation and Sheehan wouldn’t’ as if it’s new information that Montague and Gorridge aren’t privy to.
Ok, this is it for me on this thread unless someone says something new. I’m just repeating myself otherwise.
Sheehans run of form Relationship with the players Wanted by the fans No compensation to pay Background in the championship
Are all huge factors that his favour and have to be taken into account when making a decision. Most of them are getting stronger by the game.
If our board take all this into account and still appoint someone else, they must think that person is an incredible candidate.
Now if they’d previously made their minds up and not considered the last couple of months, that would be them not doing their job properly and my only real concern.
People are stating things like ‘Hellberg would cost compensation and Sheehan wouldn’t’ as if it’s new information that Montague and Gorridge aren’t privy to.
My worry is that, even though it's clear as day to most fans that sheehan is the obvious choice for the reasons you have stated, those two still haven't appointed him, when it would a great time to do it before a tough away game on Saturday.
I'm thinking that these two are more bothered about making a statement that the new manager will be their choice, they want the kudos from the owners for the due diligence they have performed in sifting him out.
Do what the players and the fans think not matter?
Ok so the club by the statement quoted back in Feb is that they want someone long term to play with the identity we have had for 20 years or so. Couple of points as I see it. Play tends to evolve. 20yrs ago we played nice football without the suicide factor at the back we had adopted We pay big bucks for someone untried to manage who wants certain players with a cost attached. They may or may not work. (Many don't). 1 of 2 things. It's works he gets poached. It doesn't we get rid at a cost. Out of pure interest I checked the average managerial tenure of a Championship manager. It's 10 months. Stick with Sheehan. (It may only be 10 months).
My worry is that, even though it's clear as day to most fans that sheehan is the obvious choice for the reasons you have stated, those two still haven't appointed him, when it would a great time to do it before a tough away game on Saturday.
I'm thinking that these two are more bothered about making a statement that the new manager will be their choice, they want the kudos from the owners for the due diligence they have performed in sifting him out.
Do what the players and the fans think not matter?
My only concern would be that Sheehan was only ever seen as a stop gap and they had a manager or a type of manager in mind.
If we rewind two months, Hellberg looks a dream appointment. Young, but with a few years managerial experience of heavily overachieving with lower budget teams. That type of manager is likely to increase player value later quite significantly.
If they have done something along those lines and ignored the last eleven games, that’s negligent. I’d absolutely want everything Sheehan has done taken into account when making the decision, even if it was unexpected.
If that was the case, I’d just want Sheehan appointed.
I don’t think they would be that unprofessional and I don’t think they would appoint on ego, though it is a slight nagging doubt.
Would Hellberg, or anyone similar, even want to come here now, knowing they are on the back foot with the fans before they start?
Ok so the club by the statement quoted back in Feb is that they want someone long term to play with the identity we have had for 20 years or so. Couple of points as I see it. Play tends to evolve. 20yrs ago we played nice football without the suicide factor at the back we had adopted We pay big bucks for someone untried to manage who wants certain players with a cost attached. They may or may not work. (Many don't). 1 of 2 things. It's works he gets poached. It doesn't we get rid at a cost. Out of pure interest I checked the average managerial tenure of a Championship manager. It's 10 months. Stick with Sheehan. (It may only be 10 months).
I agree, long term won’t happen. You have to be very indifferent not to be poached or sacked.
Putting a playing or recruitment style in place is feasible. Long term managers aren’t.
My only concern would be that Sheehan was only ever seen as a stop gap and they had a manager or a type of manager in mind.
If we rewind two months, Hellberg looks a dream appointment. Young, but with a few years managerial experience of heavily overachieving with lower budget teams. That type of manager is likely to increase player value later quite significantly.
If they have done something along those lines and ignored the last eleven games, that’s negligent. I’d absolutely want everything Sheehan has done taken into account when making the decision, even if it was unexpected.
If that was the case, I’d just want Sheehan appointed.
I don’t think they would be that unprofessional and I don’t think they would appoint on ego, though it is a slight nagging doubt.
Would Hellberg, or anyone similar, even want to come here now, knowing they are on the back foot with the fans before they start?
Apparently we have been waiting until the end of the season to ensure the club employs the best candidate, we all want the best candidate. But are Gorringe and Montague prepared to go back to the owners and say, after months of extensive research by the team and a through evaluation of all the candidates, the best person for the job was here all along. Or to justify their positions and ego will they employ someone else, this is my main concern because it has gone on so long. If this was the case and we are not top 8 by christmas should the new guy go along with Gorringe and Montague after all its their call.
Sheehan having a track record here isn’t an assumption. That meaning we should dismiss anyone else out of hand, which whether you’ll see it or not, is exactly what you are doing, is.
Hellberg would do a better job is an assumption. Of course it is. It’s not an assumption I, or anybody else to my knowledge, has made.
You seem to be reading me saying ‘our board should make the best choice for SCFC, whether that’s Sheehan or anyone else’ as ‘they should appoint Hellberg’. As I’ve said before, if it was on me, not knowing much about Hellberg, I’d appoint Sheehan without question.
Totally agree anyone else getting the job is up against it before they even start.
Appreciate you’ve made up your mind, but I hope we don’t appoint anyone for ‘better or for worse’. That’s my entire point really.
I couldn’t agree with this more.
They have to look at this appointment without the emotion that us fans carry and even the players. It could be, as you say, that he is even better. Of course, they’ll have to live or die by this decision and I genuinely don’t believe ego or pride will come into it. It will be calculated, well as much as it can be.
And just to further clarify, like yourself I am in no way saying Hellberg is the better choice as I , again like you really have no idea.
I was a little put off when I read an article yesterday stating Hellberg was a possession based style of manager. Please let’s not go back down that route. It’s so yesterday!
They have to look at this appointment without the emotion that us fans carry and even the players. It could be, as you say, that he is even better. Of course, they’ll have to live or die by this decision and I genuinely don’t believe ego or pride will come into it. It will be calculated, well as much as it can be.
And just to further clarify, like yourself I am in no way saying Hellberg is the better choice as I , again like you really have no idea.
I was a little put off when I read an article yesterday stating Hellberg was a possession based style of manager. Please let’s not go back down that route. It’s so yesterday!
So what the current players think dont matter?
And I think alot of fans have a great deal of knowledge, we know a good man when we see one.
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