| Starmer's welfare cuts 18:09 - Jun 24 with 3587 views | SullutaCreturned |
I agree with what he's trying to do, mostly anyway but it looks like rebellion in the Labour ranks,
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 18:28 - Jun 24 with 1288 views | raynor94 |
Yes agree with what he's doing, so many out there who should be working.
Will be interesting to see how the Tories vote |  |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 19:06 - Jun 24 with 1263 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 18:28 - Jun 24 by raynor94 |
Yes agree with what he's doing, so many out there who should be working.
Will be interesting to see how the Tories vote |
They will do the political thing, it's what opposition parties do. |  |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:13 - Jun 24 with 1222 views | max936 |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 18:28 - Jun 24 by raynor94 |
Yes agree with what he's doing, so many out there who should be working.
Will be interesting to see how the Tories vote |
Yes but those cuts will be across the board, meaning people deserving of disability benefits will be affected. |  |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:16 - Jun 24 with 1217 views | max936 |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 18:28 - Jun 24 by raynor94 |
Yes agree with what he's doing, so many out there who should be working.
Will be interesting to see how the Tories vote |
But let's face it, it's another hit against another easy target and who are vulnerable. | |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:54 - Jun 24 with 1198 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:16 - Jun 24 by max936 |
But let's face it, it's another hit against another easy target and who are vulnerable. |
That's why I said 2mostly" because it's a worry that he may hit the deserving as well as the scroungers.
He also needs to tackle the tax issues, coporate avoidance costs a lot more than benefit cheats. The tax laws need updating from Blairs nonsense that enabled big companies and the rich to legally avoid tax. | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 21:46 - Jun 24 with 1160 views | Dr_Winston |
Something that I've not seen mentioned anywhere is the amount of severely disabled people receiving significant amounts of benefits that they never spend.
It's not an uncommon occurrence for someone living in sheltered or supported accommodation to accumulate significant savings, in excess of the usual £16,000 limits because they've got nothing to spend money on. Their needs are catered for, they don't spend money on cars, holidays or luxuries, it just goes into the bank.
It'll raise Hell, but as part of this there needs to be some serious investigation into whether some of the people who would be deemed "in need" actually are. |  |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 22:32 - Jun 24 with 1120 views | raynor94 |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:13 - Jun 24 by max936 |
Yes but those cuts will be across the board, meaning people deserving of disability benefits will be affected. |
I don't think it's going to affect people who are truly deserving of pip, but there's one hell of a lot of people out there who are not deserving | |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 01:04 - Jun 25 with 1060 views | Robbie |
People driving mobility top of the range motors claiming for their partners needs whilst nothing wrong with their own issues , fit and well me but got to watch my working hours in case I lose my benefits .
Maybe Starmer is growing a pair at last and I am his biggest critic since he came to power also he might be annoying 100 + on his back benches too .
Down side is real people with disabilaties will be penalised and funds withdraw to probably pay for the Defence increased budget .
The Don puts National security via NATO above our Social care , pay your arms share or my Uncle Sam will be out of here . | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 07:21 - Jun 25 with 987 views | majorraglan |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 01:04 - Jun 25 by Robbie |
People driving mobility top of the range motors claiming for their partners needs whilst nothing wrong with their own issues , fit and well me but got to watch my working hours in case I lose my benefits .
Maybe Starmer is growing a pair at last and I am his biggest critic since he came to power also he might be annoying 100 + on his back benches too .
Down side is real people with disabilaties will be penalised and funds withdraw to probably pay for the Defence increased budget .
The Don puts National security via NATO above our Social care , pay your arms share or my Uncle Sam will be out of here . |
Disability payments should be a safety net for those who genuinely can’t work or who need extra support because of their genuine needs.
To be fair to Starmer he’s grasping a nettle that needs sorting and is seemingly trying to do something about something that’s become a massive issue, the costs are enormous and it’s something that’s becoming unaffordable. We need a review of how benefits are paid, work needs to pay and people who’ve never paid in and are happy to live on benefits and never work need to be challenged.
I’m not a Trump fan, but he’s right on defence, there’s an increasingly belligerent and aggressive Russia and we need to be able to do our bit. Our Forces have been run down and are in a sorry state. | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 07:53 - Jun 25 with 970 views | AnotherJohn |
I thought Paul Johnson, a generally neutral voice from the IFS, had it right when he said a few days ago that what people are complaining about is a modest slowing of the huge increase in disability expenditure that has occurred in recent years rather than cuts. I can't find the exact quote, but among other things he said: ""This isn't [austerity], (...) As Rachel Reeves points out repeatedly — but it is true — spending will be rising, and there were increases this year... In the last parliament, we saw some quite big rises, and average spending overall will be increasing rather than falling." Here is the Government's explanation of why something has to be done to cut spending in this area.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits- | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 08:00 - Jun 25 with 957 views | Daggyjack |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 07:53 - Jun 25 by AnotherJohn |
I thought Paul Johnson, a generally neutral voice from the IFS, had it right when he said a few days ago that what people are complaining about is a modest slowing of the huge increase in disability expenditure that has occurred in recent years rather than cuts. I can't find the exact quote, but among other things he said: ""This isn't [austerity], (...) As Rachel Reeves points out repeatedly — but it is true — spending will be rising, and there were increases this year... In the last parliament, we saw some quite big rises, and average spending overall will be increasing rather than falling." Here is the Government's explanation of why something has to be done to cut spending in this area.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits- |
P.I.P has care and mobility components to it. The money used from P.I.P should be used for adaptations (in the home, etc) and support to attend medical appointments.
I would say that many people see P.I.P as a top-up to their benefits and do not use the money for what it is designed for. |  | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 08:20 - Jun 25 with 944 views | Dr_Winston |
Someone aged 25+ receiving UC with the LCWRA element will be getting around £840 a month. If they get both higher elements of PIP that equates to an approximate extra £828 a month. If they're renting a single bed flat in Swansea that's around £530 a month.
That's £2198 a month in total. I'd imagine that there are many people working full time in the Swansea area who don't take that much home per month. | |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 09:02 - Jun 25 with 911 views | Scotia |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 08:00 - Jun 25 by Daggyjack |
P.I.P has care and mobility components to it. The money used from P.I.P should be used for adaptations (in the home, etc) and support to attend medical appointments.
I would say that many people see P.I.P as a top-up to their benefits and do not use the money for what it is designed for. |
They do - many apply for it on that basis alone.
My wife was dealing with someone yesterday involved in a neighbour dispute for not taking care of his garden. Rubbish everywhere and hugely overgrown.
His argument for not being able to take care of it is that he couldn't afford it becasue he was on PIP. But that is exactly what his PIP is for. Not once did he say I'm unable to do it becasue I'm disabled. | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 09:11 - Jun 25 with 906 views | Scotia |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 21:46 - Jun 24 by Dr_Winston |
Something that I've not seen mentioned anywhere is the amount of severely disabled people receiving significant amounts of benefits that they never spend.
It's not an uncommon occurrence for someone living in sheltered or supported accommodation to accumulate significant savings, in excess of the usual £16,000 limits because they've got nothing to spend money on. Their needs are catered for, they don't spend money on cars, holidays or luxuries, it just goes into the bank.
It'll raise Hell, but as part of this there needs to be some serious investigation into whether some of the people who would be deemed "in need" actually are. |
Those sheltered or supported housing suppliers are usually complicit in "hiding" their spare money over £16k by encouraging them to spend it.
In many cases people with that kind of excess cash do spend money on holidays and wasteful items. I know a number of people with mild learning disabilites (who can't really work I must add) spending thousands on technology and holidays every year just to keep below the £16k limit. It's not too many in all likelihood, but there are a significant minority.
There does need to be an investigation - I'd add there also needs to be more scrutiny on where their money is being spent. Thats for the conspiracy theorists to dine out on too. | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 09:49 - Jun 25 with 878 views | Boundy |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 01:04 - Jun 25 by Robbie |
People driving mobility top of the range motors claiming for their partners needs whilst nothing wrong with their own issues , fit and well me but got to watch my working hours in case I lose my benefits .
Maybe Starmer is growing a pair at last and I am his biggest critic since he came to power also he might be annoying 100 + on his back benches too .
Down side is real people with disabilaties will be penalised and funds withdraw to probably pay for the Defence increased budget .
The Don puts National security via NATO above our Social care , pay your arms share or my Uncle Sam will be out of here . |
With driving big expensive cars , its either receive the money in the bank or have a brand new car , in which contributions have to be made if the car chosen sits outside a prescribed price range .I believe the claim is personal to the person and not the partner.
Successive governments have created the environment in which people can claim benefits such as tax credits and now they're trying to shut the stable door ,as you say innocent people will get caught up in this and have much needed benefits withdrawn. | |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 14:54 - Jun 25 with 788 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 21:46 - Jun 24 by Dr_Winston |
Something that I've not seen mentioned anywhere is the amount of severely disabled people receiving significant amounts of benefits that they never spend.
It's not an uncommon occurrence for someone living in sheltered or supported accommodation to accumulate significant savings, in excess of the usual £16,000 limits because they've got nothing to spend money on. Their needs are catered for, they don't spend money on cars, holidays or luxuries, it just goes into the bank.
It'll raise Hell, but as part of this there needs to be some serious investigation into whether some of the people who would be deemed "in need" actually are. |
That is a very fair point. Labour MP needs to back the party not make trouble. Everyone knows people doing extremely well swinging the lead.
Mental issues and depression do not stop you picking litter or doing a gardening or painting or clerical work in an office. [Post edited 25 Jun 15:37]
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 17:28 - Jun 25 with 727 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 14:54 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
That is a very fair point. Labour MP needs to back the party not make trouble. Everyone knows people doing extremely well swinging the lead.
Mental issues and depression do not stop you picking litter or doing a gardening or painting or clerical work in an office. [Post edited 25 Jun 15:37]
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The company I work for has staff with menatl health issues who are supported to work.
There's one who's on several medications because he's bi-polar, manic depressive and a former drug addict, he's alcoholic too and struggles to avoid alcohol. He was homeless also but getting this job enabled him to get a home and while he still finds it tough (and is often his own worst enemy) he is trying to hold the hob down and crack on with his life.
So you'd be correct, Res, even if it's only anecdotal, my experience tallies with what you say.
I wonder how mnay people who could work just choose not to? Then there's all the others who really cannot work who are tarred with the same brush. | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 17:55 - Jun 25 with 717 views | Dr_Winston |
There are massive, proven mental health benefits to outdoor activity and even employment. The absolute worst thing we can do as a society is pay people with anxiety and depression to sit in the house all day, yet there are hundreds of thousands, maybe more for whom this is precisely what happens.
I would also assign an active duty Police Officer to a GP's surgery or cluster of Surgeries to be their "designated" immediate response, because it's also pretty clear that many GP's find it difficult to refuse sick notes to people because of the potential for violence. Either that or fund Security for them. | |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 18:11 - Jun 25 with 701 views | Daggyjack |
A lot of people with poor mental health are in employment and I support these people to remain or return to work.
It's not a question of whether people can work with anxiety and depression, as you say, working has countless benefits to wellbeing.
People need appropriate support when they are struggling as most want to get back to work.
The problem is with the mindset of those who use mental health are a convenient hurdle to say they can't work and to claim UC and P.I.P (though you can work and claim P.I.P).
The majority of people who are struggling are genuine, of ourse, but there are also those who don't want to find a job too.
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 22:53 - Jun 25 with 603 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 20:16 - Jun 24 by max936 |
But let's face it, it's another hit against another easy target and who are vulnerable. |
Correct.
Starmer is Tory lite.
Get after the super rich instead. |  |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 01:32 - Jun 26 with 574 views | Robbie |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 09:11 - Jun 25 by Scotia |
Those sheltered or supported housing suppliers are usually complicit in "hiding" their spare money over £16k by encouraging them to spend it.
In many cases people with that kind of excess cash do spend money on holidays and wasteful items. I know a number of people with mild learning disabilites (who can't really work I must add) spending thousands on technology and holidays every year just to keep below the £16k limit. It's not too many in all likelihood, but there are a significant minority.
There does need to be an investigation - I'd add there also needs to be more scrutiny on where their money is being spent. Thats for the conspiracy theorists to dine out on too. |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 14:59 - Jun 26 with 471 views | Dr_Winston |
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| Starmer's welfare cuts on 15:43 - Jun 26 with 454 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 14:59 - Jun 26 by Dr_Winston |
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So it's just another mess created by politicians then? | | | |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 17:04 - Jun 26 with 429 views | Dr_Winston |
| Starmer's welfare cuts on 15:43 - Jun 26 by SullutaCreturned |
So it's just another mess created by politicians then? |
I think despite all the protestations about "how hard" it is to claim sickness benefits, the figures would suggest otherwise. Assessments are rarely carried out face to face these days, and claims of poor mental health just seem to be accepted at face value.
It's a fight that the Government really needs to win, but Starmer, as per usual, is backing down. | |
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