| No more tax raises 17:49 - Jul 9 with 4521 views | SullutaCreturned |
No, instead we may see the personal tax allowance frozen for longer, so not extra taxes but as pay rises then more people are dragged into paying tax.
It seems like another measure to target the poorer people in society and ket the rich off the hook again. SO, will Starmer do it?
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| No more tax raises on 23:17 - Jul 9 with 1519 views | AnotherJohn |
I suppose you could argue that the relative weight is greater for people who are dragged into paying tax at the bottom end, but more will also be pulled into the 45% tax band. The conventional wisdom is that people at the very top are highly mobile and there are too few of them for the mooted wealth tax to have the hoped for impact, meaning that a much broader population section in the middle needs to be hit. However, the bigger picture is that we are already at the highest rate of tax in decades and the projected rise in the welfare bill is so steep that there seems to be no way to address this through tax rises without an increase in per capita GDP and productivity. Basically, we are no longer a rich enough country to support so many economically inactive people at the present generous level. On the borrowing front we are also pretty much maxed out, with any future rise in the national debt to over 100% of GDP meaning big trouble. [Post edited 10 Jul 2:32]
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| No more tax raises on 01:19 - Jul 10 with 1502 views | Robbie |
Just wonder why my Personal Allowance as a part time worker with a wage monthiy will be taxed again second time around against my State Pension code .
Sometimes you want to throw the towel in and claim everything .
In my case my appeals will be laughed at , others cleverer than I will thrive . | | | |
| No more tax raises on 06:24 - Jul 10 with 1467 views | Whiterockin |
Labour realise now it is very easy to be in opposition but not so easy to govern. After continually criticising the previous government and rightly so, it appears that everything they planned to do will not work, hence the U turns. Not increasing tax for "working people" will not work we will all have to pay more tax, just do it fairly and do not try to penalise a particular sector just to keep your tagline of "not increasing the tax of working people" alive. Yes we will all moan if everyone's tax goes up, but we will accept it. We can not accept the calamity of the last 12 months. |  | | |
| No more tax raises on 08:35 - Jul 10 with 1415 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 06:24 - Jul 10 by Whiterockin |
Labour realise now it is very easy to be in opposition but not so easy to govern. After continually criticising the previous government and rightly so, it appears that everything they planned to do will not work, hence the U turns. Not increasing tax for "working people" will not work we will all have to pay more tax, just do it fairly and do not try to penalise a particular sector just to keep your tagline of "not increasing the tax of working people" alive. Yes we will all moan if everyone's tax goes up, but we will accept it. We can not accept the calamity of the last 12 months. |
I've always been for tax rises my whole life (decades) but with the cost of living crisis resulting in some people being unable to heat their homes and having to use food banks, I think taxes should rise for those with the broadest shoulders and not put up taxes for the poor. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 09:02 - Jul 10 with 1405 views | 3swan |
| No more tax raises on 06:24 - Jul 10 by Whiterockin |
Labour realise now it is very easy to be in opposition but not so easy to govern. After continually criticising the previous government and rightly so, it appears that everything they planned to do will not work, hence the U turns. Not increasing tax for "working people" will not work we will all have to pay more tax, just do it fairly and do not try to penalise a particular sector just to keep your tagline of "not increasing the tax of working people" alive. Yes we will all moan if everyone's tax goes up, but we will accept it. We can not accept the calamity of the last 12 months. |
Didn't the last Government drop the Employee N.I. contribution twice by 2% ( an attempt as a vote winner)
Would most people accept a 1% rise now? | | | |
| No more tax raises on 09:23 - Jul 10 with 1382 views | Whiterockin |
| No more tax raises on 08:35 - Jul 10 by trampie |
I've always been for tax rises my whole life (decades) but with the cost of living crisis resulting in some people being unable to heat their homes and having to use food banks, I think taxes should rise for those with the broadest shoulders and not put up taxes for the poor. |
I would rather see an increase in VAT ( but removed from fuel) everyone pays. The more you have to spend the more you pay, everyone including those in the black economy, you work for cash you pay tax when you spend it. Freezing the tax threshold then earning £242 a week and paying tax and NI on anything over is not helping the poorest. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 09:28 - Jul 10 with 1362 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 09:23 - Jul 10 by Whiterockin |
I would rather see an increase in VAT ( but removed from fuel) everyone pays. The more you have to spend the more you pay, everyone including those in the black economy, you work for cash you pay tax when you spend it. Freezing the tax threshold then earning £242 a week and paying tax and NI on anything over is not helping the poorest. |
VAT is a tax on the poor, I don't know if you have read up about it but a much larger percentage of poor people's money goes on VAT compared to rich people. | |
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| No more tax raises on 09:54 - Jul 10 with 1333 views | Whiterockin |
| No more tax raises on 09:28 - Jul 10 by trampie |
VAT is a tax on the poor, I don't know if you have read up about it but a much larger percentage of poor people's money goes on VAT compared to rich people. |
There are quite a few ways to look at that argument. Basically the poorest spend a greater percentage of their income than those better off through necessity. Therefore it is debatable as to whether an increase in tax thresholds giving them more tax free cash to spend would mean they are would be worse off, remembering that basic essentials like food are zero VAT rated. Obviously lifting the tax thresholds would benefit the better off the least percentage wise, but their VAT burdon would increase. You can not use statistics from the past and assume the statistics will be the same if you change the parameters.
Sometimes you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture. The "tax the better off to pay the poor" will not work in its purest form, its unsustainable as Labour are finding out. Theory is fine but practicality is something else. | | | |
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| No more tax raises on 09:58 - Jul 10 with 1333 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 09:02 - Jul 10 by 3swan |
Didn't the last Government drop the Employee N.I. contribution twice by 2% ( an attempt as a vote winner)
Would most people accept a 1% rise now? |
Yes they did. A completely cynical vote winning ploy / popularity contest they knew they'd never have to justify or pay for.
The public services that Labour inherited are a joke, everything from the NHS to the surface of the roads we drive on. People can blame the Senedd and local government as much as they want, rightly so in many cases, but the money ultimately comes from Westminster.
Money needs to be spent in the correct areas. To achieve that it has to be either not spent elsewhere or taken from the taxpayer in some way. But nobody will vote for either of those. We want it all but won't pay for it.
Labour are constrained by the left who want to spend money they don't have and the Tory's won't spend the money in the first place and Reform seem to want to spend money that doesn't exist anywhere and blame immigrants for needing to spend it (they aren't the problem). If I was Starmer I'd walk to be honest.
The Welfare bill needs to be cut we need to pay more taxes and make sure the rich and business pay as much as possible.
Starting here:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy7nv3pdgr4o#:~:text=The%20triple%20lock%2C% | | | |
| No more tax raises on 12:34 - Jul 10 with 1229 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 09:54 - Jul 10 by Whiterockin |
There are quite a few ways to look at that argument. Basically the poorest spend a greater percentage of their income than those better off through necessity. Therefore it is debatable as to whether an increase in tax thresholds giving them more tax free cash to spend would mean they are would be worse off, remembering that basic essentials like food are zero VAT rated. Obviously lifting the tax thresholds would benefit the better off the least percentage wise, but their VAT burdon would increase. You can not use statistics from the past and assume the statistics will be the same if you change the parameters.
Sometimes you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture. The "tax the better off to pay the poor" will not work in its purest form, its unsustainable as Labour are finding out. Theory is fine but practicality is something else. |
Labour aren't taxing the rich to give to the poor, they are looking to take money off the poor by cutting benefits.
Labour are giving pay rises to train drivers and doctors but looking stop benefits. | |
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| No more tax raises on 13:18 - Jul 10 with 1209 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 12:34 - Jul 10 by trampie |
Labour aren't taxing the rich to give to the poor, they are looking to take money off the poor by cutting benefits.
Labour are giving pay rises to train drivers and doctors but looking stop benefits. |
And so they should there are far to many claiming living a life on benefits who are perfectly able to work, but they won't because their benefits are more than the minimum wage.
There are many claiming pip who have never even had a face to face meeting! |  |
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| No more tax raises on 15:13 - Jul 10 with 1156 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 09:23 - Jul 10 by Whiterockin |
I would rather see an increase in VAT ( but removed from fuel) everyone pays. The more you have to spend the more you pay, everyone including those in the black economy, you work for cash you pay tax when you spend it. Freezing the tax threshold then earning £242 a week and paying tax and NI on anything over is not helping the poorest. |
I'd rather see na increase in VAT on top end goods only so the rich will pay more. Then I'd raise the VED on vehicles costong more than 50k and I'd increase stamp duty on all houses over 750k.
I'd also be looking at ways of trying to get companies in the UK (but whose hedquarters are billeted in place like the ROI) to pay more tax here. If those companies like Apple, google and McDonalds don't like it, they can leave, somebody will take over and if they're based in the UK they'll pay tax here but lower the rate slightly, as long as we're better off over all. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 15:17 - Jul 10 with 1143 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 13:18 - Jul 10 by raynor94 |
And so they should there are far to many claiming living a life on benefits who are perfectly able to work, but they won't because their benefits are more than the minimum wage.
There are many claiming pip who have never even had a face to face meeting! |
Minimum wage is too little, it needs to be increased, too much wage inequality in this country, the high earners earn too much and the low earners don't earn enough.
As regards scroungers I don't know any, I don't move in those circles. | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:34 - Jul 10 with 1129 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 15:17 - Jul 10 by trampie |
Minimum wage is too little, it needs to be increased, too much wage inequality in this country, the high earners earn too much and the low earners don't earn enough.
As regards scroungers I don't know any, I don't move in those circles. |
Ah right I forgot you are a Corbynista | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:42 - Jul 10 with 1126 views | herbie |
| No more tax raises on 15:17 - Jul 10 by trampie |
Minimum wage is too little, it needs to be increased, too much wage inequality in this country, the high earners earn too much and the low earners don't earn enough.
As regards scroungers I don't know any, I don't move in those circles. |
Ah another tax on jobs. The NI hike has already cost jobs. This just makes it worse. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 16:55 - Jul 10 with 1096 views | majorraglan |
| No more tax raises on 12:34 - Jul 10 by trampie |
Labour aren't taxing the rich to give to the poor, they are looking to take money off the poor by cutting benefits.
Labour are giving pay rises to train drivers and doctors but looking stop benefits. |
That depends how you define rich. The super rich, non doms, multimillionaires etc have access to very clever accountants and their money is put in places where their tax bills are much reduced.
I was talking to a petrol tanker driver the other day, his basic is £73k per year, a carpenter I know charges £250 a day which equates to £60k for 40 hours per week for 48 week, plumber I know charges £35 an hour which is £68k for 40 hours a week over 48 weeks (and he works a lot more than that) and that’s all in south west wales. Are they rich?
There was an article in The Sun this week about a 21 year old with 3 kids and a 4th on the way whinging she couldn’t get by on £2.5k per month benefits - WTF is that all about? She’s getting £30k in her hand for nowt and no doubt when the kids are older there’ll be free school meals etc etc. Someone in employment has to earn £40k per year to take that home and then they’ll have to shell out on bills.
And you whinge about giving doctors a pay rise? They’re amongst the most sought after profession globally - if we can’t or won’t oay them they’ll walk with their feet | | | |
| No more tax raises on 17:13 - Jul 10 with 1080 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 16:55 - Jul 10 by majorraglan |
That depends how you define rich. The super rich, non doms, multimillionaires etc have access to very clever accountants and their money is put in places where their tax bills are much reduced.
I was talking to a petrol tanker driver the other day, his basic is £73k per year, a carpenter I know charges £250 a day which equates to £60k for 40 hours per week for 48 week, plumber I know charges £35 an hour which is £68k for 40 hours a week over 48 weeks (and he works a lot more than that) and that’s all in south west wales. Are they rich?
There was an article in The Sun this week about a 21 year old with 3 kids and a 4th on the way whinging she couldn’t get by on £2.5k per month benefits - WTF is that all about? She’s getting £30k in her hand for nowt and no doubt when the kids are older there’ll be free school meals etc etc. Someone in employment has to earn £40k per year to take that home and then they’ll have to shell out on bills.
And you whinge about giving doctors a pay rise? They’re amongst the most sought after profession globally - if we can’t or won’t oay them they’ll walk with their feet |
I dont know the details of any of them but as a generalisation ithink the tanker driver, carpenter and plumber are rich and I think the scrounger should not be paid nowhere near as much and get a job.
Don't let the doctors blackmail you, I'm fine with giving them more money at the start of their careers but not so happy about them getting pay rises year on year. | |
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| No more tax raises on 17:34 - Jul 10 with 1062 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 09:58 - Jul 10 by Scotia |
Yes they did. A completely cynical vote winning ploy / popularity contest they knew they'd never have to justify or pay for.
The public services that Labour inherited are a joke, everything from the NHS to the surface of the roads we drive on. People can blame the Senedd and local government as much as they want, rightly so in many cases, but the money ultimately comes from Westminster.
Money needs to be spent in the correct areas. To achieve that it has to be either not spent elsewhere or taken from the taxpayer in some way. But nobody will vote for either of those. We want it all but won't pay for it.
Labour are constrained by the left who want to spend money they don't have and the Tory's won't spend the money in the first place and Reform seem to want to spend money that doesn't exist anywhere and blame immigrants for needing to spend it (they aren't the problem). If I was Starmer I'd walk to be honest.
The Welfare bill needs to be cut we need to pay more taxes and make sure the rich and business pay as much as possible.
Starting here:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy7nv3pdgr4o#:~:text=The%20triple%20lock%2C% |
"We want it all but won't pay for it."
WTF you on about the Taxpayer pays more than enough, we are taxed on everything wages anything we buy anywhere we travel and for what for Governments to waste Billions and Billions, illegal immigrants are costing us billions.
You don't half talk some waffle, quiet day in work again is it, Dear Me. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 17:35 - Jul 10 with 1061 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 17:13 - Jul 10 by trampie |
I dont know the details of any of them but as a generalisation ithink the tanker driver, carpenter and plumber are rich and I think the scrounger should not be paid nowhere near as much and get a job.
Don't let the doctors blackmail you, I'm fine with giving them more money at the start of their careers but not so happy about them getting pay rises year on year. |
What you don't think Doctors should get a yearly pay rise? Happy for their pay to standstill, no wonder they are going on strike | |
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| No more tax raises on 17:35 - Jul 10 with 1061 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 01:19 - Jul 10 by Robbie |
Just wonder why my Personal Allowance as a part time worker with a wage monthiy will be taxed again second time around against my State Pension code .
Sometimes you want to throw the towel in and claim everything .
In my case my appeals will be laughed at , others cleverer than I will thrive . |
Spot on Robbie. | |
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| No more tax raises on 17:37 - Jul 10 with 1057 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 13:18 - Jul 10 by raynor94 |
And so they should there are far to many claiming living a life on benefits who are perfectly able to work, but they won't because their benefits are more than the minimum wage.
There are many claiming pip who have never even had a face to face meeting! |
I agree with that. | |
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| No more tax raises on 17:44 - Jul 10 with 1051 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 13:18 - Jul 10 by raynor94 |
And so they should there are far to many claiming living a life on benefits who are perfectly able to work, but they won't because their benefits are more than the minimum wage.
There are many claiming pip who have never even had a face to face meeting! |
I claimed PIP when I had a bout of ill health and I was waiting for my hip replacement, when I wrote to them to say I didn't want or need it anymore they told me I'd need a face2face app tpo sort that out, Igot another 3 months money, around 1300 quid before the F2F and she told me I probably wouldn't have to pay it ack, and I didn't.
How much money is wasted that way? | | | |
| No more tax raises on 17:59 - Jul 10 with 1040 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 17:44 - Jul 10 by SullutaCreturned |
I claimed PIP when I had a bout of ill health and I was waiting for my hip replacement, when I wrote to them to say I didn't want or need it anymore they told me I'd need a face2face app tpo sort that out, Igot another 3 months money, around 1300 quid before the F2F and she told me I probably wouldn't have to pay it ack, and I didn't.
How much money is wasted that way? |
Millions I'd imagine | |
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| No more tax raises on 18:09 - Jul 10 with 1039 views | johnlangy |
Revisit council tax. The figures are based on house valuations from 1991.
The highest in Swansea is around £5000. Out of curiosity I googled the rates in Westminster. Would you believe their highest is £4,300. For some reason we have nine bands where they have eight.
There are probably a million houses in London worth over £1 million, many over £10/20/50/100 million. Create a super band (Blind Faith anyone ? sorry, couldn't resist ).
£100 million - £50,000. Why not ? | | | |
| No more tax raises on 18:30 - Jul 10 with 1020 views | trampie |
| No more tax raises on 18:09 - Jul 10 by johnlangy |
Revisit council tax. The figures are based on house valuations from 1991.
The highest in Swansea is around £5000. Out of curiosity I googled the rates in Westminster. Would you believe their highest is £4,300. For some reason we have nine bands where they have eight.
There are probably a million houses in London worth over £1 million, many over £10/20/50/100 million. Create a super band (Blind Faith anyone ? sorry, couldn't resist ).
£100 million - £50,000. Why not ? |
I agree with you, unfortunately for me my council band is through the roof, a higher band than my neighbours yet my neighbours property is bigger, but they have less land, but I don't think that comes into it, just the respective values in 1991. [Post edited 10 Jul 18:32]
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