| No more tax raises 17:49 - Jul 9 with 4936 views | SullutaCreturned |
No, instead we may see the personal tax allowance frozen for longer, so not extra taxes but as pay rises then more people are dragged into paying tax.
It seems like another measure to target the poorer people in society and ket the rich off the hook again. SO, will Starmer do it?
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| No more tax raises on 19:56 - Jul 13 with 810 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 16:12 - Jul 13 by builthjack |
There are too many freebies given away by the Govt, both Westminster and the Senedd.
Every Tom Dick and Harry registering as a charity, and getting handouts.
Free solar panels and air pump systems given out like confetti, 30k or more a pop.
The bigger farmers moaning and groaning whilst having handouts left right and centre.
I can hand down £325,00, as everyone else, and don’t moan
Farmers can hand down £1million PLUS the 325k PLUS the family home allowance of £175k.
That’s per person, so a husband and wife won’t pay anything up to £3 million.
Don’t get conned into thinking it’s a million. It’s three million.
Scrounges claiming for everything that they can, working the system.
If anyone genuinely cant work, or genuinely need help financially, no problem.
But stop the scrounges.
It pees me off Govt workers doing the absolute minimum, supposedly working from home, but doing sweet fa. It needs a good sort out. It’s costing a fortune.
Asses need kicking. |
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| No more tax raises on 21:31 - Jul 13 with 761 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 17:03 - Jul 13 by Togg |
So you would punish the pensioner the people who have done their dues. Paid massive amounts of taxes for continuous incompetence of various governments. Incidentally some of the worst pension in Europe. Really?! |
I don't want to punish anyone, we have to be realistic though.
I'm sorry but the triple lock is unsustainable. I wish it wasn't
This thread seems to go a long way to proving my point. We want services nobody is prepared to pay for. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 01:01 - Jul 14 with 715 views | DJack |
| No more tax raises on 11:13 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
I'm of an age when I can remember and it's not that long ago when you did have your rubbish collected weekly,your roads of a more than decent standard, when a doctor would carry out home visits, waiting lists were imaginary ,to wait more than an hour in A&E would have caused an outrage.Buses were regular and school inset days would have been laughed at and Police had zero tolerance to any crime all these things I've mentioned all paid for and more from our taxes ,our tax burden has increased to unknown before levels and you want us to pay more for less . |
You haven't mentioned the Spitfires...
Over your lifetime the conservatives have been in power for the majority of it... and yet you still blame anyone else but. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 11:57 - Jul 14 with 630 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 01:01 - Jul 14 by DJack |
You haven't mentioned the Spitfires...
Over your lifetime the conservatives have been in power for the majority of it... and yet you still blame anyone else but. |
Sniping from the side lines again , let's hear your opinion instead yet more sarky comments from yourself.
I also didn't mention any political party nor the war, you really must try harder or preferably not bother at all. | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:33 - Jul 14 with 596 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 01:01 - Jul 14 by DJack |
You haven't mentioned the Spitfires...
Over your lifetime the conservatives have been in power for the majority of it... and yet you still blame anyone else but. |
Those things he said are true though, I remember them too. Where I disagree is the last line, I don't want to pay more for less, O want to pay more so things improve BUT things can only improve if we have a competent government. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 22:23 - Jul 14 with 544 views | DJack |
| No more tax raises on 11:57 - Jul 14 by Boundy |
Sniping from the side lines again , let's hear your opinion instead yet more sarky comments from yourself.
I also didn't mention any political party nor the war, you really must try harder or preferably not bother at all. |
Its quite laughable that you say I'm sniping from the sidelines as your posts are full of your personal political and social grievances. And grievances seem to be your driving force online at least - I fully expect that offline you are much more rounded and "calmer"
You didn't mention a political party in this particular post but your posts are driven by your small c, conservatism with a dash of a nostalgic past that didn't exist... hence the spitfire comment without a war reference. | |
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| No more tax raises on 22:38 - Jul 14 with 528 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 22:23 - Jul 14 by DJack |
Its quite laughable that you say I'm sniping from the sidelines as your posts are full of your personal political and social grievances. And grievances seem to be your driving force online at least - I fully expect that offline you are much more rounded and "calmer"
You didn't mention a political party in this particular post but your posts are driven by your small c, conservatism with a dash of a nostalgic past that didn't exist... hence the spitfire comment without a war reference. |
As I previously posted , rather you not bother at all. | |
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| No more tax raises on 22:40 - Jul 14 with 522 views | DJack |
| No more tax raises on 15:33 - Jul 14 by SullutaCreturned |
Those things he said are true though, I remember them too. Where I disagree is the last line, I don't want to pay more for less, O want to pay more so things improve BUT things can only improve if we have a competent government. |
And like myself you can just about remember the power cuts the binmen strikes and white dogsh*t.
The past is the past and was nowhere near as it is made out to have been, I'm not entirely happy with the changes but a mixture of many factors have brought us to this point with a couple of them being...
The voting public : apathy for the whole system. We dont speak to our MPs (whether or not we voted for them) so we dont give the picture from the electorate. We dont vote (percentages) and the parties will then believe that the votes they got were because those who care believe in the policies outright. We might decry populists but the voting public seem to only want to select MPs who look or sound good... Which is one reason why we have got no political heavyweights anymore.
MP's: Many are just in it for a career or just to enrich themselves (money and/or power). The wages are not enough to attract the best of us, even without the death-threats on social media. FPTP, winner takes all system as it encourages, in general terms, party ideology above all - but this has been shown to be only partly true recently with Starmers climbdown. With more politically diverse parties having a say we get a more palatable consensus at the national level.
As for a competent government, I would love one. But for all its failings (christ there's more than enough) the current one does at leat care for the nation as a whole as opposed for a small portion/class of people. | |
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| No more tax raises on 23:56 - Jul 14 with 484 views | majorraglan |
| No more tax raises on 22:40 - Jul 14 by DJack |
And like myself you can just about remember the power cuts the binmen strikes and white dogsh*t.
The past is the past and was nowhere near as it is made out to have been, I'm not entirely happy with the changes but a mixture of many factors have brought us to this point with a couple of them being...
The voting public : apathy for the whole system. We dont speak to our MPs (whether or not we voted for them) so we dont give the picture from the electorate. We dont vote (percentages) and the parties will then believe that the votes they got were because those who care believe in the policies outright. We might decry populists but the voting public seem to only want to select MPs who look or sound good... Which is one reason why we have got no political heavyweights anymore.
MP's: Many are just in it for a career or just to enrich themselves (money and/or power). The wages are not enough to attract the best of us, even without the death-threats on social media. FPTP, winner takes all system as it encourages, in general terms, party ideology above all - but this has been shown to be only partly true recently with Starmers climbdown. With more politically diverse parties having a say we get a more palatable consensus at the national level.
As for a competent government, I would love one. But for all its failings (christ there's more than enough) the current one does at leat care for the nation as a whole as opposed for a small portion/class of people. |
You mention speaking to politicians. Got to say, I’m far from being an Nia Griffith fan, but I was in Llanelli Town Centre a few weeks ago where there was somekind of an event going on. She turned up at the event and spent a fair amount of time speaking to organisers and members of the public.
After she’d been there a while and I suspect was ready to leave, she was approached by someone I suspect to be a constituent. She didn’t fob him off, instead she found a table, grabbed some paper and spent a fair length of time talking to him, taking notes etc. TBH I was quite impressed, most politicians rock up, get their picture taken and FO - not her. She went up in my estimations. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 00:56 - Jul 15 with 471 views | Robbie |
| No more tax raises on 16:12 - Jul 13 by builthjack |
There are too many freebies given away by the Govt, both Westminster and the Senedd.
Every Tom Dick and Harry registering as a charity, and getting handouts.
Free solar panels and air pump systems given out like confetti, 30k or more a pop.
The bigger farmers moaning and groaning whilst having handouts left right and centre.
I can hand down £325,00, as everyone else, and don’t moan
Farmers can hand down £1million PLUS the 325k PLUS the family home allowance of £175k.
That’s per person, so a husband and wife won’t pay anything up to £3 million.
Don’t get conned into thinking it’s a million. It’s three million.
Scrounges claiming for everything that they can, working the system.
If anyone genuinely cant work, or genuinely need help financially, no problem.
But stop the scrounges.
It pees me off Govt workers doing the absolute minimum, supposedly working from home, but doing sweet fa. It needs a good sort out. It’s costing a fortune.
Asses need kicking. |
Could relate some stories regarding free solar panels and mobility car freebies for some .
Maybe time to take a step back and just wonder why do I bother any more to go to work . | | | |
| No more tax raises on 16:41 - Jul 15 with 380 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 22:40 - Jul 14 by DJack |
And like myself you can just about remember the power cuts the binmen strikes and white dogsh*t.
The past is the past and was nowhere near as it is made out to have been, I'm not entirely happy with the changes but a mixture of many factors have brought us to this point with a couple of them being...
The voting public : apathy for the whole system. We dont speak to our MPs (whether or not we voted for them) so we dont give the picture from the electorate. We dont vote (percentages) and the parties will then believe that the votes they got were because those who care believe in the policies outright. We might decry populists but the voting public seem to only want to select MPs who look or sound good... Which is one reason why we have got no political heavyweights anymore.
MP's: Many are just in it for a career or just to enrich themselves (money and/or power). The wages are not enough to attract the best of us, even without the death-threats on social media. FPTP, winner takes all system as it encourages, in general terms, party ideology above all - but this has been shown to be only partly true recently with Starmers climbdown. With more politically diverse parties having a say we get a more palatable consensus at the national level.
As for a competent government, I would love one. But for all its failings (christ there's more than enough) the current one does at leat care for the nation as a whole as opposed for a small portion/class of people. |
I'm 58.
I'm not saying there weren't bad times but we had peaks and troughs whereas today we seem to be on a constant downward slope.
Apathy happened because our pokiticians became so bad, in every sense of the word.
I often call politicians self serving, greedy, corrupt, negligent.... | | | |
| No more tax raises on 23:46 - Jul 15 with 334 views | DJack |
| No more tax raises on 16:41 - Jul 15 by SullutaCreturned |
I'm 58.
I'm not saying there weren't bad times but we had peaks and troughs whereas today we seem to be on a constant downward slope.
Apathy happened because our pokiticians became so bad, in every sense of the word.
I often call politicians self serving, greedy, corrupt, negligent.... |
Same age as me which was my point. Where I was not clear was you were supporting the nostalgic post.
I am fully aware of your posted thoughts in regards of where we are today with politicians/governments. I was just framing some of the reasons why, which without drastic change will ensure that we will be no better off. - Yes some of my points have been topics from yourself and that for me underlines the fault in you agreeing with Boundy's post. You have long decried the downward spiral and must be aware that we are not going back to that world. | |
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| No more tax raises on 08:33 - Jul 16 with 281 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 23:46 - Jul 15 by DJack |
Same age as me which was my point. Where I was not clear was you were supporting the nostalgic post.
I am fully aware of your posted thoughts in regards of where we are today with politicians/governments. I was just framing some of the reasons why, which without drastic change will ensure that we will be no better off. - Yes some of my points have been topics from yourself and that for me underlines the fault in you agreeing with Boundy's post. You have long decried the downward spiral and must be aware that we are not going back to that world. |
If you believe my post was being purely based on nostalgia then you're wrong, although why wouldn't anyone want a return to have their rubbish collected on time or a myriad of other topics which now seem to allude us. The point I was making was we are paying more for less and some believe paying more will improve our lot where recent history has shown us it doesn't it just creates a wider pool of money to be wasted elsewhere whilst ignoring the reason for the tax rises in the first place.
Whether you or anyone else agrees or not I'm really not that bothered , its what I believe.
You called me a conservative with a small c , myself I consider my self a working class man betrayed by a party which was founded on socialist values so yes I could be or just someone who believes in the country and in the main its people but not those who run it. | |
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| No more tax raises on 13:06 - Jul 16 with 232 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 08:33 - Jul 16 by Boundy |
If you believe my post was being purely based on nostalgia then you're wrong, although why wouldn't anyone want a return to have their rubbish collected on time or a myriad of other topics which now seem to allude us. The point I was making was we are paying more for less and some believe paying more will improve our lot where recent history has shown us it doesn't it just creates a wider pool of money to be wasted elsewhere whilst ignoring the reason for the tax rises in the first place.
Whether you or anyone else agrees or not I'm really not that bothered , its what I believe.
You called me a conservative with a small c , myself I consider my self a working class man betrayed by a party which was founded on socialist values so yes I could be or just someone who believes in the country and in the main its people but not those who run it. |
We're not paying more for less. It's just that where tax money is going nowadays isn't obvious.
Costs have gone up across the board.
Refuse collection is an excellent example. Back in the day Binmen (who were paid peanuts, with no H&S provision) used to chuck it in the back of a lorry, empty the lorry in a hole in the ground, cover it over with earth and forget about it. We can't do that nowadays and what we can do costs a lot more. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:11]
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| No more tax raises on 13:18 - Jul 16 with 222 views | Whiterockin |
| No more tax raises on 13:06 - Jul 16 by Scotia |
We're not paying more for less. It's just that where tax money is going nowadays isn't obvious.
Costs have gone up across the board.
Refuse collection is an excellent example. Back in the day Binmen (who were paid peanuts, with no H&S provision) used to chuck it in the back of a lorry, empty the lorry in a hole in the ground, cover it over with earth and forget about it. We can't do that nowadays and what we can do costs a lot more. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:11]
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No we ship it halfway around the world instead of building recycling plants like Gloucester here in Wales. |  | | |
| No more tax raises on 15:36 - Jul 16 with 178 views | DJack |
| No more tax raises on 08:33 - Jul 16 by Boundy |
If you believe my post was being purely based on nostalgia then you're wrong, although why wouldn't anyone want a return to have their rubbish collected on time or a myriad of other topics which now seem to allude us. The point I was making was we are paying more for less and some believe paying more will improve our lot where recent history has shown us it doesn't it just creates a wider pool of money to be wasted elsewhere whilst ignoring the reason for the tax rises in the first place.
Whether you or anyone else agrees or not I'm really not that bothered , its what I believe.
You called me a conservative with a small c , myself I consider my self a working class man betrayed by a party which was founded on socialist values so yes I could be or just someone who believes in the country and in the main its people but not those who run it. |
Thank you for the additional insight.
In my defence, a lot of your posts seem reactionary and look like conservatism and an inability to accept the realities of "now". Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy at with many of our current realities but they have been so long in the making that there is little we can do in the short term. | |
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| No more tax raises on 16:39 - Jul 16 with 160 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 13:06 - Jul 16 by Scotia |
We're not paying more for less. It's just that where tax money is going nowadays isn't obvious.
Costs have gone up across the board.
Refuse collection is an excellent example. Back in the day Binmen (who were paid peanuts, with no H&S provision) used to chuck it in the back of a lorry, empty the lorry in a hole in the ground, cover it over with earth and forget about it. We can't do that nowadays and what we can do costs a lot more. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:11]
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yeah, these days we recycle and then a load of it is shipped abroad to be burned.
We loterally do pay more for less, my council tax keeps rising but the streets are dirtier because the rubbish isn't picked up, it used to be.
I have never paid more tax than I do now but my NHS care is harder to get, I have to wait a lot longer, I'd struggle to get the police to come out if needed and my sons school tells (well told because he's finished his exams and won't be going back) us we have to pay for this and that when it used to be supplied. Even school iniform is a profit making exercise these days when you used to only have to buy badges and sew them on now uniform is only from "approved suppliers" and is expensive.
Have costs risen because they had to or because it's been designed that way? | | | |
| No more tax raises on 16:46 - Jul 16 with 152 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| No more tax raises on 21:31 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
I don't want to punish anyone, we have to be realistic though.
I'm sorry but the triple lock is unsustainable. I wish it wasn't
This thread seems to go a long way to proving my point. We want services nobody is prepared to pay for. |
We are paying for them though.
Tax take has literally never been higher in this country. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 18:41 - Jul 16 with 125 views | Dr_Winston |
| No more tax raises on 16:46 - Jul 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We are paying for them though.
Tax take has literally never been higher in this country. |
Tax take and tax rates are higher than at any point in peacetime for decades, maybe in history. The Government is awash with cash. It just pisses most of it away. More of it than it receives, which is why the repayments on National Debt are beginning to climb too. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 18:42 - Jul 16 with 125 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 16:46 - Jul 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We are paying for them though.
Tax take has literally never been higher in this country. |
We're paying for the level of public service we currently get. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 18:48 - Jul 16 with 122 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 18:41 - Jul 16 by Dr_Winston |
Tax take and tax rates are higher than at any point in peacetime for decades, maybe in history. The Government is awash with cash. It just pisses most of it away. More of it than it receives, which is why the repayments on National Debt are beginning to climb too. |
Where is it pissing it away?
Most of it is tied up in fulfilling some form of legislation that we voted to implement in one way or another, or to fulfill a service. There's spending that I consider to be a waste, but to others is essential. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 18:57 - Jul 16 with 119 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 18:48 - Jul 16 by Scotia |
Where is it pissing it away?
Most of it is tied up in fulfilling some form of legislation that we voted to implement in one way or another, or to fulfill a service. There's spending that I consider to be a waste, but to others is essential. |
Tax rbates to corporations who make billions in profit but work the system effectively.
PFI.
Government credit cards that are routinely abused.
Not to forget the billions possed away in covid corruption, bailing out bansk with no strategy to get ALL the money back and I'm sure others can add more.
For decades the governments have been pissing away tax payers money while ensuring they have gold plated poensions and secure futures. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 19:07 - Jul 16 with 114 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 18:57 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Tax rbates to corporations who make billions in profit but work the system effectively.
PFI.
Government credit cards that are routinely abused.
Not to forget the billions possed away in covid corruption, bailing out bansk with no strategy to get ALL the money back and I'm sure others can add more.
For decades the governments have been pissing away tax payers money while ensuring they have gold plated poensions and secure futures. |
As I understand PFI is no longer used, only existing contracts are being run down.
Covid and the banking crisis had to cost us money or risk financial and societal collapse. We should have had more scrutiny and ability to claim COVID spend back and take the profit from banks. But that's in the past and led us to the state we're in.
I don't think that much abuse happens on government credit cards, I had one for a long time and it was hugely scrutinized. To the point of me having to justify a free tiny bag of haribo included in an order. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 19:13 - Jul 16 with 113 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 00:56 - Jul 15 by Robbie |
Could relate some stories regarding free solar panels and mobility car freebies for some .
Maybe time to take a step back and just wonder why do I bother any more to go to work . |
To have free solar panels you got to have the full package, heat pumps and full upgrades of heating and hot water, around 40k give or take, may also include the Electric car charger package as well'
Looked into just the Solar panels but they are not available as a standalone grant, I had them out to gimme a quote and the time it would take to get my money back I'd need to live until I'm 120, guy was tidy until I lost interest and got a bit full of it, I put my size 12's on and opened the door and off he went  | |
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| No more tax raises on 19:21 - Jul 16 with 95 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 19:07 - Jul 16 by Scotia |
As I understand PFI is no longer used, only existing contracts are being run down.
Covid and the banking crisis had to cost us money or risk financial and societal collapse. We should have had more scrutiny and ability to claim COVID spend back and take the profit from banks. But that's in the past and led us to the state we're in.
I don't think that much abuse happens on government credit cards, I had one for a long time and it was hugely scrutinized. To the point of me having to justify a free tiny bag of haribo included in an order. |
The Senedd still uses PFI, they call it something else but it's exactly the same thing. It's been used for the heads of the valleys road upgrade and for the new cancer hospital in Velindre.
Westminster stopped PFI in 2018 with most contracts finished or close to their end.
Regardless, the fact remains that governments have wasted tens of billions of OUR money over the decades.
The credit cards, a google search revealed...
While the term "abuse" can encompass various issues, Westminster credit cards, specifically those issued by NatWest (formerly National Westminster Bank), have been subject to scrutiny regarding potential misuse and overcharging. The Payment Systems Regulator (PSR) fined NatWest Group for incorrectly treating some credit cards as commercial cards, leading to excessive interchange fees. Additionally, reports highlight concerns about the potential for fraud and misuse of council credit cards, including those issued by the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead.
Here's a breakdown:
Interchange fee overcharging:
The PSR found that NatWest and other related banks incorrectly classified some credit cards, resulting in higher interchange fees than legally permitted.
Potential for fraud in council credit cards:
Reports have raised concerns about the lack of proper authorization and accounting for council credit card spending, suggesting potential risks of fraud and misuse, as highlighted in a report concerning the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead. | | | |
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