| No more tax raises 17:49 - Jul 9 with 5328 views | SullutaCreturned |
No, instead we may see the personal tax allowance frozen for longer, so not extra taxes but as pay rises then more people are dragged into paying tax.
It seems like another measure to target the poorer people in society and ket the rich off the hook again. SO, will Starmer do it?
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| No more tax raises on 10:19 - Jul 13 with 500 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 10:08 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
Haven't you said that you don't vote? |
What fook has that got to do with you?? |  |
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| No more tax raises on 10:28 - Jul 13 with 485 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 10:19 - Jul 13 by max936 |
What fook has that got to do with you?? |
Because you said that the accountability of politicians goes over my head. That seems a bit ironic for someone who doesn't vote. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 11:13 - Jul 13 with 448 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 16:40 - Jul 12 by Scotia |
I think the small thinkers are the electorate.
We expect too much and pay too little, that's the bottom line. One hint of tax increase or benefit cuts and the population and media go ballistic.
We need a bit of honesty from politicians and a reality check from those electing them. |
I'm of an age when I can remember and it's not that long ago when you did have your rubbish collected weekly,your roads of a more than decent standard, when a doctor would carry out home visits, waiting lists were imaginary ,to wait more than an hour in A&E would have caused an outrage.Buses were regular and school inset days would have been laughed at and Police had zero tolerance to any crime all these things I've mentioned all paid for and more from our taxes ,our tax burden has increased to unknown before levels and you want us to pay more for less . | |
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| No more tax raises on 11:20 - Jul 13 with 446 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 10:28 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
Because you said that the accountability of politicians goes over my head. That seems a bit ironic for someone who doesn't vote. |
No its not and it does, because you got little to no sense your answer is, is to tax people more and more when that doesn't work you'll stay be saying the same clueless thing and no I haven't voted for years so I've not got an agenda or biases towards any party, cause I consider them all to be corrupt, full of their own self importance and interests.
I had hopes for starmer when he became leader of labour but within a few months I saw right through him and I've been proved right, he's totally out of his depth
That I don't vote means nothing, so your thinking is that I shouldn't have a say then? | |
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| No more tax raises on 11:24 - Jul 13 with 445 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 11:13 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
I'm of an age when I can remember and it's not that long ago when you did have your rubbish collected weekly,your roads of a more than decent standard, when a doctor would carry out home visits, waiting lists were imaginary ,to wait more than an hour in A&E would have caused an outrage.Buses were regular and school inset days would have been laughed at and Police had zero tolerance to any crime all these things I've mentioned all paid for and more from our taxes ,our tax burden has increased to unknown before levels and you want us to pay more for less . |
Another superb post Boundy. 
Anyway sun is shining and I've plenty to do than waste time on here replying to wet behind the ears, herbets.
Not you Boundy obviously.  | |
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| No more tax raises on 11:32 - Jul 13 with 442 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 11:13 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
I'm of an age when I can remember and it's not that long ago when you did have your rubbish collected weekly,your roads of a more than decent standard, when a doctor would carry out home visits, waiting lists were imaginary ,to wait more than an hour in A&E would have caused an outrage.Buses were regular and school inset days would have been laughed at and Police had zero tolerance to any crime all these things I've mentioned all paid for and more from our taxes ,our tax burden has increased to unknown before levels and you want us to pay more for less . |
On fire this morning Boundy how true sadly all the things you mentioned are now consigned to history |  |
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| No more tax raises on 11:44 - Jul 13 with 436 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 22:49 - Jul 12 by max936 |
I work fing hard for my wages and retire in just over two yrs I've been robbed enough by incompetent governments, I've worked for 48 yrs why in fing hell should people like me pay more, for governments to waste
Think about the money this fing government is giving away to people coming ILLEGALLY into our Country and the billions we are giving away to other countries and for what return, we have and continue to be conned by successive Governments even moreso by this lot of incompetent shower of shite.
OPEN YOUR EYES. [Post edited 12 Jul 22:51]
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I don't need to open my eyes, I've seen everything you have. Those incomoetent governments have led us to this point. If we don't sort out the debt it'll continue to rise. We currently spend over 104 billion every year just on interest, that's 8'2% of public spending. We can't afford to let that keep rising or we'll see more cuts (unless we pay more) and the idebt will rise, the interest payments will rise. All we'll do is feck things up entirely for our kids and grandkids etc.
As it stands it'll take 20 years or more to get the debt down to a manageable sum.
This is why we need political change, we need comoetent governments that look after their own country first and worry about other countries when we can afford it. I'm not going all Trumpoan there but UK policies should be to rebuild the UK, reduce debt and deficit, repair the NHS, schools and colleges, to have a police force that clamps dowm on crime and create jobs.
We have self serving incomoetents. It has to change.But that's expecting the turkeys to vote for Christmas. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 13:19 - Jul 13 with 410 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 11:20 - Jul 13 by max936 |
No its not and it does, because you got little to no sense your answer is, is to tax people more and more when that doesn't work you'll stay be saying the same clueless thing and no I haven't voted for years so I've not got an agenda or biases towards any party, cause I consider them all to be corrupt, full of their own self importance and interests.
I had hopes for starmer when he became leader of labour but within a few months I saw right through him and I've been proved right, he's totally out of his depth
That I don't vote means nothing, so your thinking is that I shouldn't have a say then? |
No you should use your vote or stop moaning. You have to take you're share of the blame for the state of the country. | | | |
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| No more tax raises on 13:40 - Jul 13 with 389 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 11:13 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
I'm of an age when I can remember and it's not that long ago when you did have your rubbish collected weekly,your roads of a more than decent standard, when a doctor would carry out home visits, waiting lists were imaginary ,to wait more than an hour in A&E would have caused an outrage.Buses were regular and school inset days would have been laughed at and Police had zero tolerance to any crime all these things I've mentioned all paid for and more from our taxes ,our tax burden has increased to unknown before levels and you want us to pay more for less . |
I can remember that too believe it or not.
It's pretty much where we need to get back to but it would take decades and cost trillions.
So, how do we pay for it? | | | |
| No more tax raises on 13:59 - Jul 13 with 374 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 13:40 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
I can remember that too believe it or not.
It's pretty much where we need to get back to but it would take decades and cost trillions.
So, how do we pay for it? |
You must realise that the UK has been in debt to someone or something since the 18th Century and it's wrong if any one believes the debt we owe can ever be paid off ,its only recently that we've finished paying off our loans to the US from WW2,that's one country.Im not Rachel from accounts nor pretend to be so I cant give you the answer but I do know the answer to your question isn't by stagnating growth by reducing the spending power of the people of this country by increasing the tax burden ,maybe stop wasting money on creating bogus non important jobs in our services could be a start . | |
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| No more tax raises on 14:17 - Jul 13 with 363 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 13:59 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
You must realise that the UK has been in debt to someone or something since the 18th Century and it's wrong if any one believes the debt we owe can ever be paid off ,its only recently that we've finished paying off our loans to the US from WW2,that's one country.Im not Rachel from accounts nor pretend to be so I cant give you the answer but I do know the answer to your question isn't by stagnating growth by reducing the spending power of the people of this country by increasing the tax burden ,maybe stop wasting money on creating bogus non important jobs in our services could be a start . |
Yes. And we're in massive debt now after the financial crisis, Covid, wars and Brexit (to some degree), second only to the level of debt after WW2.
The difference this time is that the Tories obliterated public services through austerity, we either have to accept that and pay our own way or pay to improve public services.
There is very little efficiency left to be realised in the public sector, we have to pay for it somehow.
I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 14:34 - Jul 13 with 355 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 13:59 - Jul 13 by Boundy |
You must realise that the UK has been in debt to someone or something since the 18th Century and it's wrong if any one believes the debt we owe can ever be paid off ,its only recently that we've finished paying off our loans to the US from WW2,that's one country.Im not Rachel from accounts nor pretend to be so I cant give you the answer but I do know the answer to your question isn't by stagnating growth by reducing the spending power of the people of this country by increasing the tax burden ,maybe stop wasting money on creating bogus non important jobs in our services could be a start . |
The answer, at least partly, is investment but that needs more money and we shouldn't be borrowing it.
When Blair became PM the ebt was around 43% of GDP but had been falling. Then he and Brown started spending which raised the deficit which in turn meant more borrowing. In 2011 the debt was at 952 billion, up from 352 billion in 1997.
it's fine to be in debt when it's manageable. The debt we have today is beyond manageable. It's a drag on the economy, not just the Uk but the worldwide economy as the majority of countries are in heavy debt.
We can do something about it or wait until the problem causes a collapse. It's that simple. I don't wanyt my sons life to be blighted by a collapse that will make 2007 look like owing a mate a fiver. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 14:44 - Jul 13 with 351 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 13:19 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
No you should use your vote or stop moaning. You have to take you're share of the blame for the state of the country. |
Don't ever tell me what to do, who do you think you are then?
Im probably 30yrs older than you been married for 42 years and been working for 48yrs, I've seen and experienced life for more than you.
I'm not moaning I've been stating facts, facts that you don't like because they go against your opinions, so suck it up.
I don't have to take the blame for any of it, I don't make the stupid decisions that governments make.
You carry on with your fanciful idealistic views and try and go a week without posting on here throughout the working day and concentrate on the "work" you are supposed to be doing. | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:03 - Jul 13 with 343 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 11:44 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't need to open my eyes, I've seen everything you have. Those incomoetent governments have led us to this point. If we don't sort out the debt it'll continue to rise. We currently spend over 104 billion every year just on interest, that's 8'2% of public spending. We can't afford to let that keep rising or we'll see more cuts (unless we pay more) and the idebt will rise, the interest payments will rise. All we'll do is feck things up entirely for our kids and grandkids etc.
As it stands it'll take 20 years or more to get the debt down to a manageable sum.
This is why we need political change, we need comoetent governments that look after their own country first and worry about other countries when we can afford it. I'm not going all Trumpoan there but UK policies should be to rebuild the UK, reduce debt and deficit, repair the NHS, schools and colleges, to have a police force that clamps dowm on crime and create jobs.
We have self serving incomoetents. It has to change.But that's expecting the turkeys to vote for Christmas. |
Where would we be without continual governments wasting trillions, why should the hard working tax payer have to pay for their incompetencies and have to pay to keep illegal immigrants in comfort and for them to give billions upon billions away in foreign aid when we clearly can't afford to, those wastages are the tip of the iceberg as well, you got Mr sillybollox Miliband wasting billions on the "net zero" project again money that is needed elsewhere.
This clown Starmer has give away the Chagos Island and has then agreed to pay millions to use a portion of it, he's a financial fing genius.
No wonder the useless first minister has the same mindset by paying for 25 million trees to be planted in Rwanda and she's extremely proud of what Welsh Labour have done over the 26yrs they've been in power, she's has deluded as her predecessor Drakeford.
Cat you're a tidy guy and a great poster, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one  | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:07 - Jul 13 with 340 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 14:17 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
Yes. And we're in massive debt now after the financial crisis, Covid, wars and Brexit (to some degree), second only to the level of debt after WW2.
The difference this time is that the Tories obliterated public services through austerity, we either have to accept that and pay our own way or pay to improve public services.
There is very little efficiency left to be realised in the public sector, we have to pay for it somehow.
I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular. |
"I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular"
None of which affects you. yet at least | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:25 - Jul 13 with 327 views | raynor94 |
| No more tax raises on 15:07 - Jul 13 by max936 |
"I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular"
None of which affects you. yet at least |
He really does have something against pensioners I have been over this many times before with him.
I had the big increase of £7 a week thanks to the triple lock there are far more on the welfare bill who need sorting before pensioners | |
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| No more tax raises on 15:31 - Jul 13 with 315 views | Scotia |
| No more tax raises on 15:07 - Jul 13 by max936 |
"I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular"
None of which affects you. yet at least |
I'm about £150 a month better off since the NI cut, I'd rather pay it and have a decent chance of surviving a heart attack.
The triple lock will effect me, and one day I may need benefits.
I don't expect the country to bankrupt itself to pay for it. | | | |
| No more tax raises on 16:12 - Jul 13 with 286 views | builthjack |
| No more tax raises on 22:49 - Jul 12 by max936 |
I work fing hard for my wages and retire in just over two yrs I've been robbed enough by incompetent governments, I've worked for 48 yrs why in fing hell should people like me pay more, for governments to waste
Think about the money this fing government is giving away to people coming ILLEGALLY into our Country and the billions we are giving away to other countries and for what return, we have and continue to be conned by successive Governments even moreso by this lot of incompetent shower of shite.
OPEN YOUR EYES. [Post edited 12 Jul 22:51]
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There are too many freebies given away by the Govt, both Westminster and the Senedd.
Every Tom Dick and Harry registering as a charity, and getting handouts.
Free solar panels and air pump systems given out like confetti, 30k or more a pop.
The bigger farmers moaning and groaning whilst having handouts left right and centre.
I can hand down £325,00, as everyone else, and don’t moan
Farmers can hand down £1million PLUS the 325k PLUS the family home allowance of £175k.
That’s per person, so a husband and wife won’t pay anything up to £3 million.
Don’t get conned into thinking it’s a million. It’s three million.
Scrounges claiming for everything that they can, working the system.
If anyone genuinely cant work, or genuinely need help financially, no problem.
But stop the scrounges.
It pees me off Govt workers doing the absolute minimum, supposedly working from home, but doing sweet fa. It needs a good sort out. It’s costing a fortune.
Asses need kicking. |  |
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| No more tax raises on 16:54 - Jul 13 with 264 views | Boundy |
| No more tax raises on 14:34 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned |
The answer, at least partly, is investment but that needs more money and we shouldn't be borrowing it.
When Blair became PM the ebt was around 43% of GDP but had been falling. Then he and Brown started spending which raised the deficit which in turn meant more borrowing. In 2011 the debt was at 952 billion, up from 352 billion in 1997.
it's fine to be in debt when it's manageable. The debt we have today is beyond manageable. It's a drag on the economy, not just the Uk but the worldwide economy as the majority of countries are in heavy debt.
We can do something about it or wait until the problem causes a collapse. It's that simple. I don't wanyt my sons life to be blighted by a collapse that will make 2007 look like owing a mate a fiver. |
Investors agree but when you have a government specifically a chancellor who is tanking the economy as have far too many have done in the past then that's the battle list.IMO the debt we now have will never be paid off and people /banks/government being what they are they'll want their pound of flesh regardless.What galls me is governments don't create wealth just spend it. | |
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| No more tax raises on 17:03 - Jul 13 with 258 views | Togg |
| No more tax raises on 14:17 - Jul 13 by Scotia |
Yes. And we're in massive debt now after the financial crisis, Covid, wars and Brexit (to some degree), second only to the level of debt after WW2.
The difference this time is that the Tories obliterated public services through austerity, we either have to accept that and pay our own way or pay to improve public services.
There is very little efficiency left to be realised in the public sector, we have to pay for it somehow.
I'd reinstate the 5% NI reduction, abolish the triple lock, cut other welfare bills and benefit eligibility and other stuff that wouldn't be popular. |
So you would punish the pensioner the people who have done their dues. Paid massive amounts of taxes for continuous incompetence of various governments. Incidentally some of the worst pension in Europe. Really?! | | | |
| No more tax raises on 17:09 - Jul 13 with 254 views | Togg |
| No more tax raises on 15:25 - Jul 13 by raynor94 |
He really does have something against pensioners I have been over this many times before with him.
I had the big increase of £7 a week thanks to the triple lock there are far more on the welfare bill who need sorting before pensioners |
Triple Lock has disappeared up the arse of the current cost of living. Let's punish the people we should actually be rewarding.. You know the ones . Get up every morning work their gonads off. Put extra hours in . Let's punish the people who have paid and still and will always pay their taxes. As it happens in still a little of Pension age and will now have to go until 67. Not a problem as I'm lucky as I'm self employed and have done Ia job I enjoy but you have to be realistic everything is finite.
My old man is early 90s worked his nuts off
Brought up 5 kids with my equally hard working mother.Has a decent pension but unfortunately Dementia and getting screwed for close on 6K months in residential fees. Maybe Rachel could try and get a few more bob off him
Rant over!! [Post edited 13 Jul 17:22]
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| No more tax raises on 17:38 - Jul 13 with 212 views | max936 |
| No more tax raises on 16:12 - Jul 13 by builthjack |
There are too many freebies given away by the Govt, both Westminster and the Senedd.
Every Tom Dick and Harry registering as a charity, and getting handouts.
Free solar panels and air pump systems given out like confetti, 30k or more a pop.
The bigger farmers moaning and groaning whilst having handouts left right and centre.
I can hand down £325,00, as everyone else, and don’t moan
Farmers can hand down £1million PLUS the 325k PLUS the family home allowance of £175k.
That’s per person, so a husband and wife won’t pay anything up to £3 million.
Don’t get conned into thinking it’s a million. It’s three million.
Scrounges claiming for everything that they can, working the system.
If anyone genuinely cant work, or genuinely need help financially, no problem.
But stop the scrounges.
It pees me off Govt workers doing the absolute minimum, supposedly working from home, but doing sweet fa. It needs a good sort out. It’s costing a fortune.
Asses need kicking. |
You can blame empty head Miliband for that, Heat Pumps are not worth it, they may work satisfactorily on new builds but they won't on older houses, they are more suited when underfloor heating is able to be fitted and when houses are virtually airtight with no advantageous air can enter.
I'd like solar, but I'd never get the installation costs back at my age, I may put one on top of my filter house to cut the costs or running the equipment that runs the pond, at this time of year with both UV filters running the electric costs are not cheap.
Love to downsize at some point to, but would have to build a bathroom and bedroom for my youngest, best part of 40k to do that if not more. | |
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| No more tax raises on 18:37 - Jul 13 with 200 views | felixstowe_jack |
| No more tax raises on 08:35 - Jul 10 by trampie |
I've always been for tax rises my whole life (decades) but with the cost of living crisis resulting in some people being unable to heat their homes and having to use food banks, I think taxes should rise for those with the broadest shoulders and not put up taxes for the poor. |
They are the richest pay the most taxes in a long time. While 5 million people on benefits get it all tax free. No wonder they refuse to work. | |
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| No more tax raises on 19:21 - Jul 13 with 177 views | SullutaCreturned |
| No more tax raises on 15:03 - Jul 13 by max936 |
Where would we be without continual governments wasting trillions, why should the hard working tax payer have to pay for their incompetencies and have to pay to keep illegal immigrants in comfort and for them to give billions upon billions away in foreign aid when we clearly can't afford to, those wastages are the tip of the iceberg as well, you got Mr sillybollox Miliband wasting billions on the "net zero" project again money that is needed elsewhere.
This clown Starmer has give away the Chagos Island and has then agreed to pay millions to use a portion of it, he's a financial fing genius.
No wonder the useless first minister has the same mindset by paying for 25 million trees to be planted in Rwanda and she's extremely proud of what Welsh Labour have done over the 26yrs they've been in power, she's has deluded as her predecessor Drakeford.
Cat you're a tidy guy and a great poster, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one |
I can agree to disagree but it doesn't change the situation, if we don't try to sort things out now and accept 20 years or more to get even close to financial stability then we will really screw the world up for our descendants.
I entirely understand people not wanting to pay more tax, hell I don't BUT my son and his kids will pay the price if we don't.
The hardest part is getting a government competent enough to fix things! | | | |
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