| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. 15:46 - Jul 10 with 2818 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We send them 50 migrants a week, they send 50 back. And we pay £800 million for the privilege. Meanwhile 220 have been picked up in the last hour alone.
They are a pair of geniuses. What would we do without them? |  |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 18:04 - Jul 10 with 1638 views | 1983 |
What has this country become.....honestly! Absolutely shocking.
Thatcher would never stand for this nonsense.
What a pathetic country we are now
Stick another zero on the end of that number and then people will start to listen. Nige must be laughing into his pint of Netwon & Riddley.
We used to take more than 50 to Rochdale on a Tuesday night in the late 1980's |  |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 18:32 - Jul 10 with 1625 views | johnlangy |
The initial 50 a week is to get the system up and running. Then the numbers will be scaled up. |  | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 18:57 - Jul 10 with 1615 views | gadgetuk |
It's a start. People thought brexit would stop illegal immigration, it had the opposite effect as all cooperation with the eu stopped and there was no legal route to return them.
This is the first agreement that will hopefully start to turn the tide [Post edited 10 Jul 18:57]
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:03 - Jul 10 with 1600 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 18:32 - Jul 10 by johnlangy |
The initial 50 a week is to get the system up and running. Then the numbers will be scaled up. |
Oh that’s alright then 😂 | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:33 - Jul 10 with 1569 views | Flashberryjack |
You can aways rely on starmer to negotiate a good deal. |  |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 20:27 - Jul 10 with 1528 views | Gwyn737 |
We’ll soon find out if it’s more effective than Rwanda. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 22:41 - Jul 10 with 1463 views | Boundy |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 20:27 - Jul 10 by Gwyn737 |
We’ll soon find out if it’s more effective than Rwanda. |
How can you judge this new plan against the Rwanda plan ? | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 00:45 - Jul 11 with 1420 views | Robbie |
BBC have done another whitewash of the problem again , cannot call the illegals which is the truth .
More lefties spouting their support for the small boat immigrants claiming they are not here for the freebies we offer , but escape from threats and abuse in their homelands .
Mood music from Europe is , you lot left he EU why should we help you now .
Pictures of cuddles with Starmer and Macron on Page 1 of the Papers , what a laugh . | | | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 06:20 - Jul 11 with 1365 views | Dr_Winston |
The whole of the UK, and also parts of Europe are starting to feel like a pressure cooker turned up a bit too high. Already we've had what effectively amounted to race riots after Southport. What will happen following the inevitable next atrocity?
Years of Governments ignoring their people's concerns over ever increasing mass migration and their refusal to integrate, the volume of housing and social welfare being spent on new arrivals, rising crime statistics. All of which has led us to the point where a chancer like Farage is setting the debate. It's happening abroad too. Vox in Spain are now advocating the deportation of 8m foreigners.
Big, big changes need to be made, not just this tinkering around the edges. Nobody who is not a UK citizen should be eligible for non contributory benefits, social housing or access to the NHS except under reciprocal agreements. Any non citizen convicted of any crime should be immediately deported following completion of sentence. No ifs, no buts, no "right to a family life or fear of being laughed at for their stupid goatee in their home country". Gone. If their home country refuses to take them, sanctions should follow. New arrivals should be held in secure reception centres, not hotels, and immediately removed if asylum is denied following much more stringent decision making.
Failure to get to grips with this will only result in a worse situation when things eventually do go South. [Post edited 11 Jul 7:07]
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 07:11 - Jul 11 with 1313 views | Gwyn737 |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 22:41 - Jul 10 by Boundy |
How can you judge this new plan against the Rwanda plan ? |
From inception.
One will possibly have an effect but there was no way the other would. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 08:25 - Jul 11 with 1284 views | Boundy |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 07:11 - Jul 11 by Gwyn737 |
From inception.
One will possibly have an effect but there was no way the other would. |
Not sure why you think the Rwanda plan wouldn't work ,the end result would have been that they're not here but there which I thought was the purpose of the exercise, commentators are saying that give Starmer/Macron's plan a chance but not willing to try the Tory way .The root cause of so many is the fact (despite some on here saying otherwise) is that we make it too attractive to come here ,what's the risk ratio of crossing v drowning ,quite low I'd think. money. clothing ,accommodation, phone ,now it transpires ,electric bikes and a job., all very attractive as opposed to a plane ride out to the back of beyond with little or non of the above. | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:17 - Jul 11 with 1253 views | Whiterockin |
Its Starmers last throw of the dice, if it doesn't work he will not be leader of Labour by Christmas. |  | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:38 - Jul 11 with 1227 views | Gwyn737 |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 08:25 - Jul 11 by Boundy |
Not sure why you think the Rwanda plan wouldn't work ,the end result would have been that they're not here but there which I thought was the purpose of the exercise, commentators are saying that give Starmer/Macron's plan a chance but not willing to try the Tory way .The root cause of so many is the fact (despite some on here saying otherwise) is that we make it too attractive to come here ,what's the risk ratio of crossing v drowning ,quite low I'd think. money. clothing ,accommodation, phone ,now it transpires ,electric bikes and a job., all very attractive as opposed to a plane ride out to the back of beyond with little or non of the above. |
Not wouldn't work, couldn't work.
That was my frustration with it. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 15:10 - Jul 11 with 1123 views | raynor94 |
573 yesterday 296 so far today, sending 50 back it's an absolute joke over 21000 this year.
France are right we make it far to easy for migrants no wonder the figures are going through the roof |  |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 15:19 - Jul 11 with 1108 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 15:10 - Jul 11 by raynor94 |
573 yesterday 296 so far today, sending 50 back it's an absolute joke over 21000 this year.
France are right we make it far to easy for migrants no wonder the figures are going through the roof |
We will send 50 out of those 21000 back and then France will send us 50 shiny new ones in return.
It’s such a fantastic plan it will stop the boats immediately. | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 15:35 - Jul 11 with 1092 views | swan_si |
Mad as a box of frogs. |  | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:30 - Jul 11 with 1040 views | 1983 |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 15:35 - Jul 11 by swan_si |
Mad as a box of frogs. |
The maddest thing of all is these two clowns are dishing it up and people are buying it | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:43 - Jul 11 with 1002 views | swan_si |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:30 - Jul 11 by 1983 |
The maddest thing of all is these two clowns are dishing it up and people are buying it |
Is what I meant. 👍 | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 18:38 - Jul 11 with 948 views | 1983 |
Hopefully we will all wake up and realise we've had some bizarre dream | |
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| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:55 - Jul 11 with 911 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:30 - Jul 11 by 1983 |
The maddest thing of all is these two clowns are dishing it up and people are buying it |
Maybe it's just me, but how does this reduce immigration? We let thousands in, we send a few back but have to accept legal immigrants in return.
There's no gain in this and it just costs us even more money. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 20:28 - Jul 11 with 885 views | Whiterockin |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:55 - Jul 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Maybe it's just me, but how does this reduce immigration? We let thousands in, we send a few back but have to accept legal immigrants in return.
There's no gain in this and it just costs us even more money. |
Makes sense to Labour, meanwhile France are laughing and pocketing millions. Is anyone surprised we are in a mess. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:54 - Jul 12 with 764 views | swan65split |
Ive never really got involved with this type of thread, but seen a video this morning of someone filming crossing the Thames by HoP........sorry guys its too late! |  | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 10:23 - Jul 12 with 749 views | AnotherJohn |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 20:27 - Jul 10 by Gwyn737 |
We’ll soon find out if it’s more effective than Rwanda. |
The test will be whether there is a sudden upsurge in migrants crossing into Ireland.  I can't see that happening. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 10:47 - Jul 12 with 730 views | johnlangy |
Many on this site argued that the Rwanda deal would be a deterrent even though just four volunteers went there. Now many people are complaining about this idea which would return, in the first instance, 2500 proper illegals with the UK taking back 2500 legal asylum seekers.
Whether the plan will work or not this is the logic. The arrangement will start at 50 a week and when the process is shown to be working the numbers will increase.
The complaint about the 2500 being deported just being replaced by a different 2500 is a bogus one. That 2500 coming in will arrive fully documented and join up with family (if that's the reason they're eligible) and be able to start work. They will not be put up in hotels, given money etc etc so will not be a drain on UK resources.
The 2500 being deported will not be able to apply for the legal route. If they try to reenter the UK they will be deported again (proved by a DNA test maybe. None of us know the detail). In order to reenter they'd have to find another £5000 or whatever amount. They almost certainly won't do that because they won't be able to fund it.
Then the numbers would be increased to 100/200 etc.
Meanwhile the asylum backlog is dropping quickly. At the end of 2024 it was 91,000. I remember numbers of 170,000 a couple of years ago.
From the little I know this is how it will work. Whether it does or not we'll have to wait and see. But even now we can see how infinitely better it is than the Rwanda scheme would have been when we know that that deal would have resulted in a few hundred being got rid of each year. If it ever worked. | | | |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:01 - Jul 12 with 685 views | gadgetuk |
| Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 10:47 - Jul 12 by johnlangy |
Many on this site argued that the Rwanda deal would be a deterrent even though just four volunteers went there. Now many people are complaining about this idea which would return, in the first instance, 2500 proper illegals with the UK taking back 2500 legal asylum seekers.
Whether the plan will work or not this is the logic. The arrangement will start at 50 a week and when the process is shown to be working the numbers will increase.
The complaint about the 2500 being deported just being replaced by a different 2500 is a bogus one. That 2500 coming in will arrive fully documented and join up with family (if that's the reason they're eligible) and be able to start work. They will not be put up in hotels, given money etc etc so will not be a drain on UK resources.
The 2500 being deported will not be able to apply for the legal route. If they try to reenter the UK they will be deported again (proved by a DNA test maybe. None of us know the detail). In order to reenter they'd have to find another £5000 or whatever amount. They almost certainly won't do that because they won't be able to fund it.
Then the numbers would be increased to 100/200 etc.
Meanwhile the asylum backlog is dropping quickly. At the end of 2024 it was 91,000. I remember numbers of 170,000 a couple of years ago.
From the little I know this is how it will work. Whether it does or not we'll have to wait and see. But even now we can see how infinitely better it is than the Rwanda scheme would have been when we know that that deal would have resulted in a few hundred being got rid of each year. If it ever worked. |
That is my understanding of the plan. The idea being that eventually the message will get through that crossing the channel illegally no longer works and you will have paid to be immediately kicked out of the country | | | |
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