| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:49 - Jul 30 with 4479 views | Esox_Lucius |
Q. Does it cost £1m for a football stadium PA system?
A. "No, it is highly unlikely that a PA system for a football stadium would cost £1 million. While stadium PA systems can be expensive, the cost is highly variable depending on the stadium's size, the quality of the equipment, and the extent of customization. A £1 million budget would likely be reserved for very large, high-end systems in top-tier stadiums." |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:51 - Jul 30 with 4471 views | Northernr |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:49 - Jul 30 by Esox_Lucius |
Q. Does it cost £1m for a football stadium PA system?
A. "No, it is highly unlikely that a PA system for a football stadium would cost £1 million. While stadium PA systems can be expensive, the cost is highly variable depending on the stadium's size, the quality of the equipment, and the extent of customization. A £1 million budget would likely be reserved for very large, high-end systems in top-tier stadiums." |
We really need to stop regurgitating this AI slop onto here. If you reply back to it telling it that’s nonsense it definitely costs that it’ll change its mind and agree with you. |  | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:51 - Jul 30 with 4464 views | R_from_afar |
Great insight, thank you, and good to see that the manager was there and participating. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 17:02 - Jul 30 with 4384 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:51 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
We really need to stop regurgitating this AI slop onto here. If you reply back to it telling it that’s nonsense it definitely costs that it’ll change its mind and agree with you. |
The Nexo system installed at Wolves cost a lot less than that and that is a larger stadium. | |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 17:20 - Jul 30 with 4263 views | M40R |
Thanks for the report. All the right topics were covered with some good follow-up questions. But what a load of gobbledegook in response, even allowing for being non native language speakers [Post edited 30 Jul 17:26]
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 17:55 - Jul 30 with 3997 views | kropotkin41 |
I've watched quite a few of these over the years, and that was definitely the best one I've seen. Of course it's always going to be difficult to separate the PR from the substance at an event like this, but I felt they presented a pretty clear plan, along with a strong dose of realism. Nourry is super frank that what they're trying to do with QPR, defying gravity long enough to get some traction with selling players and all the while staying competitive is, as I believe he said, "the hardest thing in football." This was no snow job as far as I could tell - I mean what do I know? But I came away feeling at least they have a well-defined plan for the whole club...and that's got to be better than the alternative.
As a post script, I have no reason to think anyone was lying about the cost of PA system upgrade for the stadium... I mean what is there to gain from lying about it? If it was cheap I reckon they'd have done it. [Post edited 30 Jul 17:58]
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:05 - Jul 30 with 3926 views | Burnleyhoop |
Can’t believe so many responses were aimed at the apparent cost of the fcking PA system.
To me, it finally feels and sounds like we now have a group of professionals in the building that have a clear understanding of what is needed to take this club forward and are implementing a holistic strategic direction throughout. Successful clubs are taking this approach, Brentford the obvious example. We have been crying out for this approach for the last ten years as we have lurched from one disaster to another with no direction or consistency of purpose.
I’m all in……until we go on a six game losing run in September and there is another long queue forming outside the physio’s room. | | | |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:16 - Jul 30 with 3878 views | NewYorkRanger |
Thanks for taking the time to write up the notes Clive - I didn't watch it so this is a good way to get the low down.
I was a huge Marti fan and have been quite critical of Nourry in the past. However, although talk is cheap and we need to see action (and wins on the pitch) I'm quite optimistic about some of what I'm hearing. Certainly the stuff around overall structure and essentially nobody being irreplaceable in that structure has to be a good thing. It would certainly take us away from the complete 180's we've done in the past when moving from one manager to the next.
Obviously that can all be disregarded when wer'e in the bottom 3 after 10 games but for now I'll remain hopeful. And stupidly optimistic. |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:38 - Jul 30 with 3744 views | nomar |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 17:02 - Jul 30 by Esox_Lucius |
The Nexo system installed at Wolves cost a lot less than that and that is a larger stadium. |
London rates, innit! | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:45 - Jul 30 with 3645 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:49 - Jul 30 by Esox_Lucius |
Q. Does it cost £1m for a football stadium PA system?
A. "No, it is highly unlikely that a PA system for a football stadium would cost £1 million. While stadium PA systems can be expensive, the cost is highly variable depending on the stadium's size, the quality of the equipment, and the extent of customization. A £1 million budget would likely be reserved for very large, high-end systems in top-tier stadiums." |
Sauce?
Here's a (very) detailed Chat GPT breakdown for those who want to get down and dirty with the minutiae (it also provided verified sources, which I always ask it for in my research), and which more or less confirms CN's eye-poppingly racey ballpark. (As I would get at least 3 quotes if I were upgrading my feckin' fuse board, I'm not sure why the club's not doing likewise.)
'Here’s what current evidence suggests about the guide price of overhauling or installing a PA system for a 20,000-seat football stadium in London:
🎯 Real-world Analogues & Insights
✅ Aviva Stadium, Dublin (~50,000-seat)
Upgraded PAVA/PA system by TG Baker (JBL loudspeakers, Crown amps, BSS Soundweb DSP).
Included full redundancy, 118 PAVA zones, 365 speaker circuits, networked audio; a top-tier installation compliant with BS standards.
No price stated directly—but this kind of scale and complexity typically costs in the upper hundreds of thousands or low millions.
✅ Comparable Venue Estimates
For 1,000–1,500 capacity auditoriums, quoted system costs (audio only) range from $120k–200k and above :
Basic stadium-style PA packages (4 speakers with zone mixer and paging mic) retail for ~$8–10k USD / ~£7–8k GBP, but these are suited to much smaller venues (e.g. a few hundred seats).
✅ Tech Integration Budget Guides
Overall tech & AV systems in large venues often budget $15k–75k USD (~£12k–60k)—primarily audio but lacking full PAVA or multi-zone PA scale .
🔍 Rough Guide Estimate for a 20,000‑Seat Stadium
Given the scale compared to smaller venues, and factoring in:
Dozens of zones,
Emergency voice-alarm integration (PAVA),
Redundancy and DSP networking,
Professional rigging and commissioning,
you’re likely looking at approximately:
£500,000 to £1.5 million, with many stadium installations clustering in the £800k–£1.2m range—though bespoke or tier‑one designs (e.g. stadiums aiming for world‑class audio fidelity or concert-grade use) can push above this.
💬 Community & Expert Feedback
One live‑sound design professional commented: for venues seating 1,000–1,500, expect at least **$120k USD (£96k)** for audio only, and $150k–200k USD (~£120k–160k) including other gear.
Scaling to a 20k capacity increases scope approximately by an order of magnitude, due to higher speaker counts, amplifier channels, stitching zones, and compliance—a stadium of that scale would likely require £500k+.
📊 Summary Table
Venue Size & Scope Guide Estimate (GBP)
~1,000 – 1,500 seats (audio only) £80k – 160k
Basic small‑scale PA systems (~10 speakers) £7k – 8k
Partial upgrade in medium stadium ~£300k – 500k
Full-scale 20,000-seat stadium installation £500k – £1.5m
✅ Next Steps
To get an accurate quote, you’ll need to engage with a specialist integrator that supports stadium-scale PAVA and complies with BS 7827, BS 5839, and EN 60849 standards.
Firms such as Vaughan Sound (UK-based), TG Baker, or other professional audio integrators offer design, installation, and maintenance services tailored to large venues.
In short: for a 20,000‑seat football stadium in London, a thoroughly overhauled and compliant PA system would likely cost £500,000 to £1.5 million, depending on audio quality, redundancy, zoning, and integration scope. |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:53 - Jul 30 with 3640 views | Gus_iom |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 16:51 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
We really need to stop regurgitating this AI slop onto here. If you reply back to it telling it that’s nonsense it definitely costs that it’ll change its mind and agree with you. |
God, I wish I was married to Grok | |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:05 - Jul 30 with 3573 views | gazza1 |
Watched it via the channel live......I liked what I heard, not all but much of it. Thought the panel spoke well and CN was well in control throughout.
Personally, I think we are going in the right direction, I think CN puts his 'heart & soul' into the job and for a young man he speaks very well. He 'thrives' QPR imho, it is a big challenge for him and he knows it.
Lets hope we get a decent start to the season and as has been said we have a relatively easy start to the fixtures so the start is most important. I am looking forward to PNE and hope JS and his off field team are on form over the next 10 days & the players play well with confidence. | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:10 - Jul 30 with 3541 views | Lanhoop |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:05 - Jul 30 by Burnleyhoop |
Can’t believe so many responses were aimed at the apparent cost of the fcking PA system.
To me, it finally feels and sounds like we now have a group of professionals in the building that have a clear understanding of what is needed to take this club forward and are implementing a holistic strategic direction throughout. Successful clubs are taking this approach, Brentford the obvious example. We have been crying out for this approach for the last ten years as we have lurched from one disaster to another with no direction or consistency of purpose.
I’m all in……until we go on a six game losing run in September and there is another long queue forming outside the physio’s room. |
Agree with this. These ain't big issues, maybe there needs to be a little perspective. Just imagine being at the Sheffield Wednesday Fans Forum.
Of course I'll be spitting feathers if it's 2 wins in the first 17 again. | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:11 - Jul 30 with 3529 views | Rsole |
The extortionate cost of the upgrade relates to the length of the contract, which no one is allowed to know.
Not even AI. |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:16 - Jul 30 with 3502 views | Rsole |
Thanks Clive - I cannot imagine how much of your time that consumed.
Grazie Mille. | |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:48 - Jul 30 with 3374 views | davman |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:16 - Jul 30 by Rsole |
Thanks Clive - I cannot imagine how much of your time that consumed.
Grazie Mille. |
Yep, thanks, Clive - appreciated as ever... |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:51 - Jul 30 with 3365 views | Northernr |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:16 - Jul 30 by Rsole |
Thanks Clive - I cannot imagine how much of your time that consumed.
Grazie Mille. |
It's when you've been typing, cropping pictures, fact checking, adding fonts, putting in bits of commentary and so on for two hours and then you look how far into the tape you've got and it says 14 minutes and 35 seconds that really separates out the casual blogger from the outright sadist. | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:59 - Jul 30 with 3313 views | HAYESBOY |
Was there any mention of return dates for players? Apologies if I missed this in the write up. |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:00 - Jul 30 with 3316 views | Northernr |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:59 - Jul 30 by HAYESBOY |
Was there any mention of return dates for players? Apologies if I missed this in the write up. |
No.
No mention of Varane either which was probably a missed opportunity. | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:02 - Jul 30 with 3297 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 18:45 - Jul 30 by stainrods_elbow |
Sauce?
Here's a (very) detailed Chat GPT breakdown for those who want to get down and dirty with the minutiae (it also provided verified sources, which I always ask it for in my research), and which more or less confirms CN's eye-poppingly racey ballpark. (As I would get at least 3 quotes if I were upgrading my feckin' fuse board, I'm not sure why the club's not doing likewise.)
'Here’s what current evidence suggests about the guide price of overhauling or installing a PA system for a 20,000-seat football stadium in London:
🎯 Real-world Analogues & Insights
✅ Aviva Stadium, Dublin (~50,000-seat)
Upgraded PAVA/PA system by TG Baker (JBL loudspeakers, Crown amps, BSS Soundweb DSP).
Included full redundancy, 118 PAVA zones, 365 speaker circuits, networked audio; a top-tier installation compliant with BS standards.
No price stated directly—but this kind of scale and complexity typically costs in the upper hundreds of thousands or low millions.
✅ Comparable Venue Estimates
For 1,000–1,500 capacity auditoriums, quoted system costs (audio only) range from $120k–200k and above :
Basic stadium-style PA packages (4 speakers with zone mixer and paging mic) retail for ~$8–10k USD / ~£7–8k GBP, but these are suited to much smaller venues (e.g. a few hundred seats).
✅ Tech Integration Budget Guides
Overall tech & AV systems in large venues often budget $15k–75k USD (~£12k–60k)—primarily audio but lacking full PAVA or multi-zone PA scale .
🔍 Rough Guide Estimate for a 20,000‑Seat Stadium
Given the scale compared to smaller venues, and factoring in:
Dozens of zones,
Emergency voice-alarm integration (PAVA),
Redundancy and DSP networking,
Professional rigging and commissioning,
you’re likely looking at approximately:
£500,000 to £1.5 million, with many stadium installations clustering in the £800k–£1.2m range—though bespoke or tier‑one designs (e.g. stadiums aiming for world‑class audio fidelity or concert-grade use) can push above this.
💬 Community & Expert Feedback
One live‑sound design professional commented: for venues seating 1,000–1,500, expect at least **$120k USD (£96k)** for audio only, and $150k–200k USD (~£120k–160k) including other gear.
Scaling to a 20k capacity increases scope approximately by an order of magnitude, due to higher speaker counts, amplifier channels, stitching zones, and compliance—a stadium of that scale would likely require £500k+.
📊 Summary Table
Venue Size & Scope Guide Estimate (GBP)
~1,000 – 1,500 seats (audio only) £80k – 160k
Basic small‑scale PA systems (~10 speakers) £7k – 8k
Partial upgrade in medium stadium ~£300k – 500k
Full-scale 20,000-seat stadium installation £500k – £1.5m
✅ Next Steps
To get an accurate quote, you’ll need to engage with a specialist integrator that supports stadium-scale PAVA and complies with BS 7827, BS 5839, and EN 60849 standards.
Firms such as Vaughan Sound (UK-based), TG Baker, or other professional audio integrators offer design, installation, and maintenance services tailored to large venues.
In short: for a 20,000‑seat football stadium in London, a thoroughly overhauled and compliant PA system would likely cost £500,000 to £1.5 million, depending on audio quality, redundancy, zoning, and integration scope. |
Cutting to the chase, a million quid. As stated.
Nourry haters will have to look elsewhere for his lies and subterfuge.
We could always bring back Paladini and Flávio to run the place and a dream team manager pairing of Redknapp and Hughes. That would be fun. | | | |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:03 - Jul 30 with 3288 views | Rsole |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:51 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
It's when you've been typing, cropping pictures, fact checking, adding fonts, putting in bits of commentary and so on for two hours and then you look how far into the tape you've got and it says 14 minutes and 35 seconds that really separates out the casual blogger from the outright sadist. |
Whip me, beat me, call me Beryl…. | |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:12 - Jul 30 with 3250 views | Stanisgod |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:02 - Jul 30 by Burnleyhoop |
Cutting to the chase, a million quid. As stated.
Nourry haters will have to look elsewhere for his lies and subterfuge.
We could always bring back Paladini and Flávio to run the place and a dream team manager pairing of Redknapp and Hughes. That would be fun. |
Ipswich today after signing a player for 20 MILLION QUID. Parachute payments at their finest and what we are up against. |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:14 - Jul 30 with 3239 views | A40Bosh |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 17:02 - Jul 30 by Esox_Lucius |
The Nexo system installed at Wolves cost a lot less than that and that is a larger stadium. |
Can you share the details of that please?
I seem to remember them saying a year or so back that it was not so much the speaker system that was the issue but more so the ancient wiring that needed to be stripped out.
I know there are likely to be be much more qualified electrical engineers or music engineers on this forum but for my own limited knowledge of trying to run a PA system for a simple wedding/function band for 25 years, I suspect that much of the problem is how you implement a solution that actually “works”. What I mean is that you cannot just mount or dangle a very larger speaker from a pillar or strut or roof hoarding every 50m and just expect it to work. I don’t know the science but there is phase, time delays, bounce back and lots of other ‘fine tuning’ of the sound acoustics if you are going to do it properly - Maybe £1m sounds a little excessive but the cost of everything in the corporate world is always ‘x times’ what you think it would cost you as a homeowner to kit your downstairs living rooms, outside deck and your downstairs toilet with a Sonos multi room system.
Clive, you obviously either have had the patience of a saint to rewatch the entire forum online the minute it was put live, or as a seasoned journo have a finely crafted Pitman (other shorthands are available) technique or you just have a great memory. - but thank you for the prompt and accurate regurgitation of last nights proceedings for those who either missed it or can’t be bothered to invest the time to listen to it . |  |
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| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 20:15 - Jul 30 with 3236 views | kensalriser |
| Singing from the same hymn sheet – Fans Forum on 19:51 - Jul 30 by Northernr |
It's when you've been typing, cropping pictures, fact checking, adding fonts, putting in bits of commentary and so on for two hours and then you look how far into the tape you've got and it says 14 minutes and 35 seconds that really separates out the casual blogger from the outright sadist. |
Masochist, I fear! |  |
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