| Morecambe FC RIP 20:19 - Jul 31 with 4700 views | loftboy |
Will no longer exist by the end of the week. 105 years of history gone.
Sheffield Wednesday next, probably the thin edge of the wedge. |  |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 20:22 - Jul 31 with 3616 views | Stanisgod |
Perhaps Chelscum will donate a couple of bob out of their 100 mil they received for their world cup win |  |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 20:24 - Jul 31 with 3611 views | Juzzie |
For years people (myself included) have been saying the bubble will burst and clubs will go bust and on the whole it didn’t happen. Could this now be the start of the domino effect? |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 20:30 - Jul 31 with 3556 views | Boston |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 20:24 - Jul 31 by Juzzie |
For years people (myself included) have been saying the bubble will burst and clubs will go bust and on the whole it didn’t happen. Could this now be the start of the domino effect? |
Domino effect - surely thy aren't down to pizza deliveries! |  |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:24 - Jul 31 with 3338 views | NewcastleHoop |
Clubs of Morecambe's size have been going bust for a long time. The drop from League Two to National League is particularly lethal. Before Morecambe it was Macclesfield, before them it was Rushden, Hereford, Chester, Halifax, Scarborough, Darlington, Boston... I've probably missed some. Other, better-run teams step up to replace them. | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:44 - Jul 31 with 3278 views | colinallcars |
Thin end of the wedge, bubble burst, domino effect indeed.
The chickens have come home to roost and you can bet your sweet teeth there'll be more on that slippery slope… |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:52 - Jul 31 with 3234 views | qpr_1968 |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:24 - Jul 31 by NewcastleHoop |
Clubs of Morecambe's size have been going bust for a long time. The drop from League Two to National League is particularly lethal. Before Morecambe it was Macclesfield, before them it was Rushden, Hereford, Chester, Halifax, Scarborough, Darlington, Boston... I've probably missed some. Other, better-run teams step up to replace them. |
bury went a few years ago....
not sure if they've rebuilt though. | |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 22:04 - Jul 31 with 3196 views | ted_hendrix |
We used to have collections In days gone by for ailing sport clubs and various other things.
Morecambe are just another club going belly up, just another club In Lancashire but It could be anywhere.
It's been said a million times but the riches and wealth at the so called top end of football In this Country and the financial state of clubs like Morecambe will just carry on and get bigger/wider.
Have Morecambe been mismanaged? I suppose so but there should be more to It than that, there's a silly old bloke from Morecambe who's spent his silly old life going through the turnstiles at his home town club for God knows how long but after next Monday them days will be over, His Saturday afternoons and the occasional Wednesday evenings are about to change.
From what I can gather Man City were being Investigated for the last 12 Months for over spending or some such misdemeanour I wonder what happened about that.
Does anybody care anymore?
I do. |  |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 22:22 - Jul 31 with 3098 views | Boston |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:52 - Jul 31 by qpr_1968 |
bury went a few years ago....
not sure if they've rebuilt though. |
They're on their way back. Northern Premier League, West Division. Still at Gigg Lane, decent crowds. | |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 23:21 - Jul 31 with 2958 views | Watford_Ranger |
The Morecambe story is a particularly odd one. They have a willing buyer who has passed the EFL test (for whatever that is worth, though apparently worth more than it used to be). The current bloke just refuses to give it up for no obvious reason and has a long record of dissolving companies including a Worcester rugby team.
First three matches already cancelled as the insurance hasn’t been paid. Derek Adams (manager) is helping players financially where he can and the senior players they have left will be on very modest wages. Feels like it’s the end which is always sad but feels a bit more so in a part of the country with not much else going on. | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 23:28 - Jul 31 with 2947 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 20:24 - Jul 31 by Juzzie |
For years people (myself included) have been saying the bubble will burst and clubs will go bust and on the whole it didn’t happen. Could this now be the start of the domino effect? |
Well, we've lost about six clubs so it has happened, but also post covid attendance for smaller clubs has gone up so it's sort of saved it.
As long as clubs operate at the mad wages to income ratio they currently do then no one is safe, including us by the way.
If the price of steel collapses at the same time as the SE Asian airline industry we're fcked.
Regulate. Regulate. Regulate. And fan ownership. [Post edited 31 Jul 23:31]
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 23:32 - Jul 31 with 2925 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 23:21 - Jul 31 by Watford_Ranger |
The Morecambe story is a particularly odd one. They have a willing buyer who has passed the EFL test (for whatever that is worth, though apparently worth more than it used to be). The current bloke just refuses to give it up for no obvious reason and has a long record of dissolving companies including a Worcester rugby team.
First three matches already cancelled as the insurance hasn’t been paid. Derek Adams (manager) is helping players financially where he can and the senior players they have left will be on very modest wages. Feels like it’s the end which is always sad but feels a bit more so in a part of the country with not much else going on. |
Doesn't seem that odd. Some people are just cnts.
All stadiums should automatically become ACVs by law IMO. [Post edited 31 Jul 23:33]
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 06:42 - Aug 1 with 2666 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 21:24 - Jul 31 by NewcastleHoop |
Clubs of Morecambe's size have been going bust for a long time. The drop from League Two to National League is particularly lethal. Before Morecambe it was Macclesfield, before them it was Rushden, Hereford, Chester, Halifax, Scarborough, Darlington, Boston... I've probably missed some. Other, better-run teams step up to replace them. |
Rushden, Boston, Macclesfield, Scarborough, and now potentially Morcambe were all promoted from the NL. So clubs going pop in the EFL are not necessarily being replaced by better run teams from NL.
It may not be popular, but is there a case to scrap promotion/relegation between L2 and NL? Bar AFC Wimbledon, none of the teams coming up seem to be able to compete (forget Wrexham, they're no longer a football club).
It might also provide some financial stability for L2 teams with the removal of relegation.
Thoughts? | |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 07:23 - Aug 1 with 2563 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 06:42 - Aug 1 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Rushden, Boston, Macclesfield, Scarborough, and now potentially Morcambe were all promoted from the NL. So clubs going pop in the EFL are not necessarily being replaced by better run teams from NL.
It may not be popular, but is there a case to scrap promotion/relegation between L2 and NL? Bar AFC Wimbledon, none of the teams coming up seem to be able to compete (forget Wrexham, they're no longer a football club).
It might also provide some financial stability for L2 teams with the removal of relegation.
Thoughts? |
What about Salford, Barrow, Fleetwood and most impressively, Luton?
What's the point in going to football if the prospect of promotion isn't on the cards?
Also, it's letting the worst of people off the hook. [Post edited 1 Aug 7:56]
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 08:46 - Aug 1 with 2421 views | Kensal_Ranger |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 23:32 - Jul 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Doesn't seem that odd. Some people are just cnts.
All stadiums should automatically become ACVs by law IMO. [Post edited 31 Jul 23:33]
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Pity the Morecambe fans, and community, but the notion that all stadia ought to become assets of community value wouldn't (in the long run) add much of a safety-net, I wish it did.
We only need to look at the run-down state of the LC Stadium to get an idea of how that could go.
Football clubs as ACVs, might have more of a chance though. |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 08:52 - Aug 1 with 2392 views | TeddeRs |
I’m sure the self-serving fckd up premier league would make the same argument about promotion from the championship given the promoted teams have been relegated again. | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 08:53 - Aug 1 with 2383 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 08:46 - Aug 1 by Kensal_Ranger |
Pity the Morecambe fans, and community, but the notion that all stadia ought to become assets of community value wouldn't (in the long run) add much of a safety-net, I wish it did.
We only need to look at the run-down state of the LC Stadium to get an idea of how that could go.
Football clubs as ACVs, might have more of a chance though. |
I’ll take it! | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 11:53 - Aug 1 with 2170 views | slmrstid |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 06:42 - Aug 1 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Rushden, Boston, Macclesfield, Scarborough, and now potentially Morcambe were all promoted from the NL. So clubs going pop in the EFL are not necessarily being replaced by better run teams from NL.
It may not be popular, but is there a case to scrap promotion/relegation between L2 and NL? Bar AFC Wimbledon, none of the teams coming up seem to be able to compete (forget Wrexham, they're no longer a football club).
It might also provide some financial stability for L2 teams with the removal of relegation.
Thoughts? |
There's a whole host of clubs queuing up in the National League who'd all do very well in League Two if they had the chance and the number of relegation/promotion spots between the two wasn't so tight (two). There's also a whole host of clubs bobbing around the bottom of League Two who'd struggle in the National League but keep getting away with it.
The gap between the two leagues is pretty tiny, very rarely does a club go from NL -> L2 and struggle. Sutton Utd the only one of recent times who have, and to be fair they are an absolutely tiny club anyway.
So, no, zero case whatsoever to close off the Football League, although EFL clubs would probably be in favour of such a proposal.
There's a far stronger case to shut off the Premier League to the EFL going by financial/standard of play logic, and we all know how such a proposal would go down! |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:20 - Aug 2 with 1731 views | Toast_R |
The little clubs that no one cares for are allowed to go, there's a bit of noise from rest of the league but it's soon tomorrow's chip paper.
I'd be amazed if Sheffield Wednesday are allowed to go though, I'm sure there will be allowances made that other clubs in L2 wouldn't get.
But maybe a big club does need to go, it will be the start of some serious reform. |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:36 - Aug 2 with 1653 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 11:53 - Aug 1 by slmrstid |
There's a whole host of clubs queuing up in the National League who'd all do very well in League Two if they had the chance and the number of relegation/promotion spots between the two wasn't so tight (two). There's also a whole host of clubs bobbing around the bottom of League Two who'd struggle in the National League but keep getting away with it.
The gap between the two leagues is pretty tiny, very rarely does a club go from NL -> L2 and struggle. Sutton Utd the only one of recent times who have, and to be fair they are an absolutely tiny club anyway.
So, no, zero case whatsoever to close off the Football League, although EFL clubs would probably be in favour of such a proposal.
There's a far stronger case to shut off the Premier League to the EFL going by financial/standard of play logic, and we all know how such a proposal would go down! |
Promotion/relegation has been around for less than 40 years and in that time only Yeovil has made it to the Championship, and look at them now.
There maybe very well run NL teams, but when they get to EFL then realities hit. Look at Harrogate.
The only teams that really compete are former EFL clubs with a decent size fan base such as Notts County, Wimbledon, Luton & Wrexham on Roids.
They should either turn the NL into EFL 3 to increase TV money a reduce the impact of relegation or regionalise EFL 2 to reduce costs.
Something has to happen, but doubt it will. The death of Morcambe and struggles of Wednesday are not even top stories on BBC football. Top story today? Son leaving Spurs and a w×nk fest over Arsenals tour of Singapore. FFS. | |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 11:04 - Aug 3 with 1320 views | TwoHalves |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 22:22 - Jul 31 by Boston |
They're on their way back. Northern Premier League, West Division. Still at Gigg Lane, decent crowds. |
On their way to Wembley! Thrashed South Liverpool 6-0 yesterday in the Extra Preliminary Round of the FA Cup. | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:05 - Aug 3 with 1249 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:36 - Aug 2 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Promotion/relegation has been around for less than 40 years and in that time only Yeovil has made it to the Championship, and look at them now.
There maybe very well run NL teams, but when they get to EFL then realities hit. Look at Harrogate.
The only teams that really compete are former EFL clubs with a decent size fan base such as Notts County, Wimbledon, Luton & Wrexham on Roids.
They should either turn the NL into EFL 3 to increase TV money a reduce the impact of relegation or regionalise EFL 2 to reduce costs.
Something has to happen, but doubt it will. The death of Morcambe and struggles of Wednesday are not even top stories on BBC football. Top story today? Son leaving Spurs and a w×nk fest over Arsenals tour of Singapore. FFS. |
I haven't checked for a while, but Gateshead and Dartford both had higher gates than teams like Accrington who seemed to hang around in L2 for years. | | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:32 - Aug 3 with 1162 views | TGRRRSSS |
No doubt there is interest in Sheffield Wednesday though the issue is being able to buy it to make it justifiable.
Morecambe I know less about but again I think there will be interest |  | | |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:43 - Aug 3 with 1131 views | aston_hoop |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:36 - Aug 2 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Promotion/relegation has been around for less than 40 years and in that time only Yeovil has made it to the Championship, and look at them now.
There maybe very well run NL teams, but when they get to EFL then realities hit. Look at Harrogate.
The only teams that really compete are former EFL clubs with a decent size fan base such as Notts County, Wimbledon, Luton & Wrexham on Roids.
They should either turn the NL into EFL 3 to increase TV money a reduce the impact of relegation or regionalise EFL 2 to reduce costs.
Something has to happen, but doubt it will. The death of Morcambe and struggles of Wednesday are not even top stories on BBC football. Top story today? Son leaving Spurs and a w×nk fest over Arsenals tour of Singapore. FFS. |
the likes of Burton, Stevenage, Crawley are all doing fine? Burton even made it to the Championship too. Salford knocking about at the top end of League 2 again, Fleetwood stabilised in the EFL? Barrow don't seem to be in any danger either.
I'm not sure it is true at all to say that reality hits. |  |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:45 - Aug 3 with 1115 views | Gus_iom |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 22:22 - Jul 31 by Boston |
They're on their way back. Northern Premier League, West Division. Still at Gigg Lane, decent crowds. |
They brought great support to the IoM. | |
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| Morecambe FC RIP on 15:14 - Aug 3 with 939 views | NewcastleHoop |
| Morecambe FC RIP on 12:43 - Aug 3 by aston_hoop |
the likes of Burton, Stevenage, Crawley are all doing fine? Burton even made it to the Championship too. Salford knocking about at the top end of League 2 again, Fleetwood stabilised in the EFL? Barrow don't seem to be in any danger either.
I'm not sure it is true at all to say that reality hits. |
Here's my favourite little factoid for the "reality hits" side of the argument:
Here's every team in last season's League Two ranked by average home attendance.
Bradford City (17762)
Notts County (10626)
*AFC Wimbledon (9745)
Chesterfield (8505)
Doncaster Rovers (8057)
Port Vale (7622)
Carlisle United (7425)
Swindon Town (7229)
Milton Keynes Dons (7025)
Walsall (6470)
Tranmere Rovers (6389)
Gillingham (6268)
Grimsby Town (6067)
Crewe Alexandra (5397)
Colchester United (4998)
Newport County (4239)
*Cheltenham Town (4198)
*Morecambe (3410)
*Barrow (3381)
*Bromley (3111)
*Fleetwood Town (2995)
*Harrogate Town (2968)
*Salford City (2849)
*Accrington Stanley (2556)
And here's the same for League One.
Birmingham City (26326)
Bolton Wanderers (21325)
Huddersfield Town (18817)
Charlton Athletic (18112)
Wrexham (12781)
Reading (12535)
Barnsley (12211)
Wigan Athletic (9946)
Stockport County (9630)
Blackpool (9619)
Rotherham United (9330)
Peterborough United (9151)
Lincoln City (9004)
Bristol Rovers (7880)
Leyton Orient (7875)
Mansfield Town (7769)
Northampton Town (6629)
Cambridge United (6597)
Exeter City (6513)
Shrewsbury Town (6207)
*Wycombe Wanderers (5413)
*Crawley Town (4393)
*Stevenage (4005)
*Burton Albion (3254)
The asterisks are the NEW teams in the EFL post-1986 - the ones who came up from the Conference/National League who hadn't previously dropped into it.
This is the kind of correlation that statisticians dream about - EVERY team who came up since 1986 ranks below EVERY team who was voted in pre-1986, in both divisions. With the exception of AFC Wimbledon for obvious reasons. | | | |
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